Supreme Court hears arguments on Trump's Tax Records

[Billiejeens]

Conservatives’ defense of the Imperial Presidency – the wrongheaded notion that a president’s powers are virtually unlimited, as promoted by the likes of AG Barr – is the epitome of rightwing hypocrisy.

So much for conservatives being ‘advocates’ of ‘small government.’

All that is false -
The stupidity of you all is overwhelming.

 

[Billiejeens]

I would like every poster who feels it is imperative to see Trumps tax records to post theirs here. There is no legal requirement for you to do so you have done nothing illega

Trump has been charged as Individual One in a criminal proceeding that will take place if he doesn't win next November. Does he deserve a pass on those charges or should he be required to divulge his financials?

Michael Cohen: "Individual 1 is Donald J. Trump"

"When Michael Cohen pleaded guilty in November 2018 to lying to Congress, the documents filed with his plea deal didn’t explicitly name the person on whose behalf he had lied.

"It called him 'Individual 1.'"

"There was never any doubt that 'Individual 1' was President Donald Trump. But now, in his testimony before the House Oversight Committee Wednesday, Cohen has confirmed it.

"'I pled guilty in federal court to felonies for the benefit of, at the direction of, and in coordination with ‘Individual 1,’” Cohen said, reading from his prepared statement. 'And for the record: ‘Individual 1’ is Donald J. Trump.'"

Cohen Pleaded guilty to crimes not committed just as Flynn did.
That will go no where.

 

[georgephillip]

Cohen Pleaded guilty to crimes not committed just as Flynn did.
That will go no where.

Cohen went to prison for a non-existent crime?
Why would he do that?

Michael Cohen sentenced to 3 years in prison

"NEW YORK — A contrite Michael Cohen on Wednesday received three years in prison for a series of tax fraud and lying charges, sending another former Donald Trump associate to jail.

 

[Billiejeens]

Cohen Pleaded guilty to crimes not committed just as Flynn did.
That will go no where.

Cohen went to prison for a non-existent crime?
Why would he do that?

Michael Cohen sentenced to 3 years in prison

"NEW YORK — A contrite Michael Cohen on Wednesday received three years in prison for a series of tax fraud and lying charges, sending another former Donald Trump associate to jail.

I laugh

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And of course a conservative – and partisan – majority will rule in favor of further empowering the Imperial Presidency.

I believe the state of New York has a better legal standing than the House. The House issue will 7-2 for Trump, the New York case may wind up 5-4 Trump.

The problem SCOTUS has is it tries to appear to not be political. Roberts is keen on that. I agree, the House will probably lose. But a lower court already ruled on the NY demand for the taxes and chances are, SCOTUS will bounce it back to the lower court. In essence, NY can turn that information over to the House so the house gets what it wants anyway and more.

It's already known that most of Rumps writeoffs are rounds of golf. He is in deep trouble trying to explain that a round of golf costs 10,000 bucks or more. Yes, it was done for a Charity and the writeoff for that particular Charity event was for hundreds of thousands of dollars but claiming that each round for each participant cost over 10,000 dollars is normally Charity Fraud to anyone else. And it continues even today. Rump makes Al Capone look like a Law Abiding Citizen.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The problem SCOTUS has is it tries to appear to not be political. Roberts is keen on that. I agree, the House will probably lose. But a lower court already ruled on the NY demand for the taxes and chances are, SCOTUS will bounce it back to the lower court. In essence, NY can turn that information over to the House so the house gets what it wants anyway and more.

The house had to also be included because, even if the NY prosecutor get Trump's records, he will certainly be under a non-disclosure order. If the House ends up with them, the NY prosecutor could be held in contempt.

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[georgephillip]

I laugh

"Cohen’s conviction and sentence also doesn’t bode well for the president, said Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, a frequent Trump golf partner who in January will become chairman of the powerful Senate Judiciary Committee.

"'Anytime a former lawyer of yours goes to jail it’s probably not a good day,' the South Carolina senator said."

Michael Cohen sentenced to 3 years in prison

 

[Maxdeath]

He just like every other American citizen has the right to be secure in his person and his papers. That means his taxes are none of yours or anyone else's fucking business. It's just that simple.

Tell that to Al Capone*** and these other persons convicted of Tax Fraud:

15 Celebrities Convicted for Tax Evasion

Just because celebrities are rich and famous doesn't mean life is always glamorous for them. In fact, many members of the Hollywood elite have endured serious tax troubles. And while celebrities aren't necessarily more likely to break the law than their fans, they do have a far greater...

www.inquirer.com

***Assistant Attorney General Mabel Walker Willebrandt recognized that mob figures publicly led lavish lifestyles yet never filed tax returns, and thus could be convicted of tax evasion without requiring hard evidence to get testimony about their other crimes. She tested this approach by prosecuting a South Carolina bootlegger, Manley Sullivan.[70] In 1927, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Sullivan that the approach was legally sound: illegally earned income was subject to income tax; Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. rejected the argument that the Fifth Amendment protected criminals from reporting illegal income.[71]

I think you missed the essential part of that whole post.
Let me outline it for you.
They never filed tax returns.
Illegally earned income was subject to income tax.

Now let's look at the real world.
Trump has filed tax returns, they have been reviewed by the IRS.
No one has shown that he has illegal income that he could be hit with tax evasion.

The hope to see his returns just in the hope that it might lead to some embarrassment is not really a reason for seeing anyones tax return.

 

[Papageorgio]

And of course a conservative – and partisan – majority will rule in favor of further empowering the Imperial Presidency.

I believe the state of New York has a better legal standing than the House. The House issue will 7-2 for Trump, the New York case may wind up 5-4 Trump.

The problem SCOTUS has is it tries to appear to not be political. Roberts is keen on that. I agree, the House will probably lose. But a lower court already ruled on the NY demand for the taxes and chances are, SCOTUS will bounce it back to the lower court. In essence, NY can turn that information over to the House so the house gets what it wants anyway and more.

It's already known that most of Rumps writeoffs are rounds of golf. He is in deep trouble trying to explain that a round of golf costs 10,000 bucks or more. Yes, it was done for a Charity and the writeoff for that particular Charity event was for hundreds of thousands of dollars but claiming that each round for each participant cost over 10,000 dollars is normally Charity Fraud to anyone else. And it continues even today. Rump makes Al Capone look like a Law Abiding Citizen.

The upper court may not allow NY to turnover or make public any of what they receive. The Supreme Court is leaning that the House request is way out of line and their harassment of the President. That alone could end the House and the investigation there. I have no idea what are in the documents and all you are doing is speculating based on partisan bigotry.

 

[georgephillip]

Now let's look at the real world.
Trump has filed tax returns, they have been reviewed by the IRS.
No one has shown that he has illegal income that he could be hit with tax evasion.

That IRS review consisted of little more than certifying Trump filed his returns.
Compare that limited audit to the one congress and the Manhattan DA would pursue.
If Trump has nothing to hide, he would have already revealed these returns and relevant documents.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The rule of law, and a guiding principle in our nation's jurisprudence is no man is above the law. The efficacy of the Supreme Court justices to dispense justice will be judged in this matter. If they decide in favor of President Trump, it will give carte blanche to him, and to every future POTUS.

For the sake of transparency, I think he and every president should disclose their financial records. However, I do not know if there is any legal basis to force him to.

 

[Papageorgio]

Now let's look at the real world.
Trump has filed tax returns, they have been reviewed by the IRS.
No one has shown that he has illegal income that he could be hit with tax evasion.

That IRS review consisted of little more than certifying Trump filed his returns.
Compare that limited audit to the one congress and the Manhattan DA would pursue.
If Trump has nothing to hide, he would have already revealed these returns and relevant documents.

The House has wide powers of subpoena. In this case it is asking a third party for information on a President BEFORE he took office. As Sotomeyer pointed out, this could be considered harassment as it has nothing to do with anything legislative. The state of New York may have a firmer legal standing but the House will lose this appeal.

 

[dudmuck]

I would like every poster who feels it is imperative to see Trumps tax records to post theirs here. There is no legal requirement for you to do so you have done nothing illegal as far as we know even so if you have nothing to hide no reason not to post them that is logic being used for wanting to see Trumps. I look forward to seeing people put their records where their mouth is except they won’t.

What you fail to see is the difference between a private citizen and a politician with executive powers. Except for Trump, everybody running for president since the 1970's has released their tax returns. All presidents since the 1970's except for Trump has put their assets into a blind trust.

This was to ensure that their political decisions would not be based on personal financial gain.

There is no current law that requires a presidential candidate to release their taxes. So in that regard there is no difference between a private citizen or a politician running for office. Until that changes, then no one running needs to be required to show their taxes.

Now, Congress has a wide latitude on subpoenas however the issue in front of the Supreme Court is asking a third party to turnover documents pertaining to activity of a President, prior to them becoming President. This would seem like Congress is making a power grab and asking for information outside of their powers. We will see what happens but this could maybe be a 7-2 decision in favor of Trump.

Once reason is Trump keeps promoting his businesses while in public office.
I've seen Trumps returns and so should you.

Law professor says founders would have wanted his returns released.

 

[Papageorgio]

I would like every poster who feels it is imperative to see Trumps tax records to post theirs here. There is no legal requirement for you to do so you have done nothing illegal as far as we know even so if you have nothing to hide no reason not to post them that is logic being used for wanting to see Trumps. I look forward to seeing people put their records where their mouth is except they won’t.

What you fail to see is the difference between a private citizen and a politician with executive powers. Except for Trump, everybody running for president since the 1970's has released their tax returns. All presidents since the 1970's except for Trump has put their assets into a blind trust.

This was to ensure that their political decisions would not be based on personal financial gain.

There is no current law that requires a presidential candidate to release their taxes. So in that regard there is no difference between a private citizen or a politician running for office. Until that changes, then no one running needs to be required to show their taxes.

Now, Congress has a wide latitude on subpoenas however the issue in front of the Supreme Court is asking a third party to turnover documents pertaining to activity of a President, prior to them becoming President. This would seem like Congress is making a power grab and asking for information outside of their powers. We will see what happens but this could maybe be a 7-2 decision in favor of Trump.

Once reason is Trump keeps promoting his businesses while in public office.
I've seen Trumps returns and so should you.

Law professor says founders would have wanted his returns released.

That's great, but it unless it is a law, he is under no obligation to show them. So, until a law has been passed, there is no legal standing on forcing him to show his returns.

 

[georgephillip]

The House has wide powers of subpoena. In this case it is asking a third party for information on a President BEFORE he took office. As Sotomeyer pointed out, this could be considered harassment as it has nothing to do with anything legislative.

If Trump's tax returns show he's vulnerable to black mail by foreign actors, congress has a fundamental obligation to reveal that information to voters.

Supreme court grills Trump lawyers over president's unreleased tax returns

"As the supreme court heard arguments concerning Donald Trump’s tax returns on Tuesday, justice Sonia Sotomayor told a lawyer for the president 'there is a long, long history of Congress seeking records and getting them' from occupants of the Oval Office.

"The other two liberals on the court, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Steven Breyer, brought up requests for documents during the Watergate and Whitewater scandals, which occurred under Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton and were decided unanimously against the president concerned"

 

[Shrimpbox]

He just like every other American citizen has the right to be secure in his person and his papers. That means his taxes are none of yours or anyone else's fucking business. It's just that simple.

Tell that to Al Capone*** and these other persons convicted of Tax Fraud:

15 Celebrities Convicted for Tax Evasion

Just because celebrities are rich and famous doesn't mean life is always glamorous for them. In fact, many members of the Hollywood elite have endured serious tax troubles. And while celebrities aren't necessarily more likely to break the law than their fans, they do have a far greater...

www.inquirer.com

***Assistant Attorney General Mabel Walker Willebrandt recognized that mob figures publicly led lavish lifestyles yet never filed tax returns, and thus could be convicted of tax evasion without requiring hard evidence to get testimony about their other crimes. She tested this approach by prosecuting a South Carolina bootlegger, Manley Sullivan.[70] In 1927, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Sullivan that the approach was legally sound: illegally earned income was subject to income tax; Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. rejected the argument that the Fifth Amendment protected criminals from reporting illegal income.[71]

The problem is that you are predicating this as if a crime has been committed as opposed to your WISH for the commission of a crime. It won’t matter if trumps tax returns are kosher, the left and the msm will twist it into a pretzel and that is a guaranteed fact.

 

[BWK]

US Supreme Court hears arguments over Trump's tax returns

The Supreme Court will rule on the president's attempts to keep his financial records secret.

www.yahoo.com

From the link:

The US Supreme Court has heard arguments on whether President Donald Trump should be allowed to keep his financial records secret, in a major showdown over presidential powers.

Mr Trump declines to share documents that could shed light on his fortune and the work of his family company.

Two congressional committees and New York prosecutors demand the release of his tax returns and other information.

Mr Trump's private lawyers argue he enjoys total immunity while in office.

The judges will hear the cases remotely because of the coronavirus pandemic. The Supreme Court has a 5-4 conservative majority and includes two Trump appointees - Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh.

The rule of law, and a guiding principle in our nation's jurisprudence is no man is above the law. The efficacy of the Supreme Court justices to dispense justice will be judged in this matter. If they decide in favor of President Trump, it will give carte blanche to him, and to every future POTUS.

The ruling should be a slam dunk against Trump. No one is above the law. Time to see those tax returns Donald. Gosh, can you imagine the money laundering?

 

[BWK]

He just like every other American citizen has the right to be secure in his person and his papers. That means his taxes are none of yours or anyone else's fucking business. It's just that simple.

Tell that to Al Capone*** and these other persons convicted of Tax Fraud:

15 Celebrities Convicted for Tax Evasion

Just because celebrities are rich and famous doesn't mean life is always glamorous for them. In fact, many members of the Hollywood elite have endured serious tax troubles. And while celebrities aren't necessarily more likely to break the law than their fans, they do have a far greater...

www.inquirer.com

***Assistant Attorney General Mabel Walker Willebrandt recognized that mob figures publicly led lavish lifestyles yet never filed tax returns, and thus could be convicted of tax evasion without requiring hard evidence to get testimony about their other crimes. She tested this approach by prosecuting a South Carolina bootlegger, Manley Sullivan.[70] In 1927, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Sullivan that the approach was legally sound: illegally earned income was subject to income tax; Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. rejected the argument that the Fifth Amendment protected criminals from reporting illegal income.[71]

The problem is that you are predicating this as if a crime has been committed as opposed to your WISH for the commission of a crime. It won’t matter if trumps tax returns are kosher, the left and the msm will twist it into a pretzel and that is a guaranteed fact.

Law enforcement can tell us if there are crimes. MSM has nothing to do with it.

 

[Rye Catcher]

US Supreme Court hears arguments over Trump's tax returns

The Supreme Court will rule on the president's attempts to keep his financial records secret.

www.yahoo.com

From the link:

The US Supreme Court has heard arguments on whether President Donald Trump should be allowed to keep his financial records secret, in a major showdown over presidential powers.

Mr Trump declines to share documents that could shed light on his fortune and the work of his family company.

Two congressional committees and New York prosecutors demand the release of his tax returns and other information.

Mr Trump's private lawyers argue he enjoys total immunity while in office.

The judges will hear the cases remotely because of the coronavirus pandemic. The Supreme Court has a 5-4 conservative majority and includes two Trump appointees - Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh.

The rule of law, and a guiding principle in our nation's jurisprudence is no man is above the law. The efficacy of the Supreme Court justices to dispense justice will be judged in this matter. If they decide in favor of President Trump, it will give carte blanche to him, and to every future POTUS.

So the House can harass a President with nothing out of bounds? Doesn't that give one branch of government more power than another? The House has tried to oust the President by impeaching him, the Democrats tried to nullify the Electoral College by wanting a to convene a meeting with the College to convince them to vote for Hillary, something that had never happened before. I am not a big fan of Trump nor Obama however I believe the House is trying to run the entire country by immobilizing the President's office by throw legal after legal after legal challenges.

To me it is harassment and if they win, lookout when the next Democrat becomes President and the House is Republican because this type of harassment will not be forgotten. What goes around, comes around.

Well, to you it is harassment, we'll let the Supreme Court decide if you are correct. The fact is, if a 5-4 decision agrees with you, it will be landmark case and destroy the principle of 230 years, that is the separation of powers.

 

[Rye Catcher]

He just like every other American citizen has the right to be secure in his person and his papers. That means his taxes are none of yours or anyone else's fucking business. It's just that simple.

Tell that to Al Capone*** and these other persons convicted of Tax Fraud:

15 Celebrities Convicted for Tax Evasion

Just because celebrities are rich and famous doesn't mean life is always glamorous for them. In fact, many members of the Hollywood elite have endured serious tax troubles. And while celebrities aren't necessarily more likely to break the law than their fans, they do have a far greater...

www.inquirer.com

***Assistant Attorney General Mabel Walker Willebrandt recognized that mob figures publicly led lavish lifestyles yet never filed tax returns, and thus could be convicted of tax evasion without requiring hard evidence to get testimony about their other crimes. She tested this approach by prosecuting a South Carolina bootlegger, Manley Sullivan.[70] In 1927, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Sullivan that the approach was legally sound: illegally earned income was subject to income tax; Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. rejected the argument that the Fifth Amendment protected criminals from reporting illegal income.[71]

I think you missed the essential part of that whole post.
Let me outline it for you.
They never filed tax returns.
Illegally earned income was subject to income tax.

Now let's look at the real world.
Trump has filed tax returns, they have been reviewed by the IRS.
No one has shown that he has illegal income that he could be hit with tax evasion.

The hope to see his returns just in the hope that it might lead to some embarrassment is not really a reason for seeing anyones tax return.

I thought about that, and decided to withhold the taxes from a legit subpoena would expand that opinion. To not file and to not provide suggests probable cause. Of course that was up to the courts, and thus far trump has lost. We'll see if the Supreme Court really wants to create an imperial presidency.

BTW, the defense theory is the President is above the law, that is the argument they hope to make.