Seawytch
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That is correct. The Christian baker cannot refuse to bake a cake for an interracial couple, why should they be able to refuse a gay couple?What are you ranting about? It is simple. Title II of the FEDERAL Civil Rights Act is your “bake the damn cake” boogie man, not local and state laws. Either add gays, a historically oppressed minority, to the other historically oppressed minorities protected by it or get rid of PA protection for religion, race, gender, etc.To be treated exactly like other minorities is equal. You want special treatment for gays if you want them to be able to be discriminated against where you cannot do the same for other minorities.If you want equality under the law, then you should want to be protected by the same laws that protect other minorities.It was a 7-2 decision. Over 300,000 couples have been married. Gay marriage isn’t being reversed.It won't ever not be. The court will no more reverse Obergerfell than they would reverse Loving. The genie is out of the bottle. It's not going back in.This is settled law, get over it.
It's settled law until it isn't.
You're being naive if you think law is ever settled. Bans against gay marriage were "settled law" until they were overturned in SCOTUS by those two same rulings.
Ha. Then you know nothing about the tendencies of the Supreme Court.
On another note, I know you are gay as well as I, so do not attempt to speak for me. I want equality under the law, but not at the expense of other people's legal rights.
We're not supposed to be conquering people, we should be getting them to accept us!
Interesting... I want the law to treat me as equally as everyone else. But I don't want the law to give me special treatment. That's the difference, Seawytch. You don't want equality, you want special treatment. Forcing people to accept you is not acceptance, it's subversion.
You are entitled to nothing but equal treatment, not special treatment. That is something you need to understand.
No. Absolutely not.
You are totally missing the point. We are not minorities, we are equals among our peers. There should be no minority or majority. We want the same treatment as the majority; but by asking for special treatment, by classifying us as "minorities" you are thereby already committing the act of discrimination. We are not a niche population, we are Americans like everyone else.
To ask for equal treatment among minorities only is not equality. That is exclusion. You cannot see the forest for the trees. What you do is only corrupt our cause beyond its original purpose, you only drive people away, you aren't gaining their acceptance, only their contempt.
I will fight for LGBT rights insomuch as my rights do not come at the expense of the freedoms of others. Period, full stop.
I will not advocate for methods that suppress the freedoms of others. We do not do to others what they are already doing to us.
Am I clear? We are already having our freedoms suppressed, what is there to gain by going on a revenge campaign? That's all I see the fight for LGBT rights by the mainstream community as.
I will sooner be damned than do something so spiteful and vile. We want tolerance but are unwilling to give it in return. Such puerile behavior.
Your ignorance of the nuances of law is astounding.
So Title II says we must circumvent the religious beliefs of someone rendering a service? Is that what you're getting at?
Nope, simple equality. If the Christian baker can refuse me service I should be able to refuse him service. The law prevents that.No, you want protection for one, but not the other.