Swedish Spring: Citizens demand national conversation on migrant crimes after top cop goes public

[iamwhatiseem]

Muslim gangs takeover Swedish highway.......

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Marseilles, France is now the most dangerous city in all of Europe with quadruple rape cases...and unprecedented rise in violent crime

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The sound of the left........

 

[Claudette]

They were stupid for ever letting them in in the first place. Hard to feel sorry for them now.

I don't feel sorry for those in Govt. but I do feel for the Swedish citizens. Hope they vote their current leaders out.

I know, but knowing the Swedes and how typically liberal they are, I'm betting a good deal of the population embraced the new arrivals.

You may be right but all they had to do was look at the deaths in France and elsewhere to get a good take on the death cult in Europe.

I sure hope they boot them all out and back to whatever shithole they crawled out of.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You may be right but all they had to do was look at the deaths in France and elsewhere to get a good take on the death cult in Europe.

I sure hope they boot them all out and back to whatever shithole they crawled out of.

They will be welcomed in Democrat controlled cities all over America...as shown by the Democrats reaction the the so-called Muslim ban

 

[iamwhatiseem]

More appreciation by Muslims in Europe......

But NOT TO WORRY...Democrats fighting hard to make sure America get's it's share!!!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

 

[Spare_change]

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It’s being called the “Swedish Spring”; a groundswell of support for a top cop who went public on the epidemic of crimes being committed by Muslim migrants which has led to Swedes demanding a national conversation on the issue.

“Swedish Spring”: Citizens Demand National Conversation on Migrant Crimes After Top Cop Goes Public
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But don't worry it's all a conspiracy because CNN,MSN, Maxine Water's , Obama, ABC aren't reporting it so do't worry it's all pretend..

We need more Breiviks, Muslims need to made to feel as unwelcome in the west as westerns are in Muslim nations.

here, have a look at what breivik accomplished, you horrible cuntbag.


Norway shooting victims: the 77 dead in pictures

Just why is the immature name calling necessary?

Do you feel better now that you've done that?

 

[Coyote]

130,000 sign up for Facebook support page in less than a week



It’s being called the “Swedish Spring”; a groundswell of support for a top cop who went public on the epidemic of crimes being committed by Muslim migrants which has led to Swedes demanding a national conversation on the issue.

“Swedish Spring”: Citizens Demand National Conversation on Migrant Crimes After Top Cop Goes Public
---------------------------

But don't worry it's all a conspiracy because CNN,MSN, Maxine Water's , Obama, ABC aren't reporting it so do't worry it's all pretend..

We need more Breiviks, Muslims need to made to feel as unwelcome in the west as westerns are in Muslim nations.

Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship.

Well...at least some folks are honest, you and all those who agree with you.

Ban Muslims and all things Islamic.

Act like the other barbaric countries that are intolerant and repressive - regardless of our ideals and the behavior of individuals.

Thank you for at least finally being honest about it and not pretending it's just about Islamic extremists.

How did you miss the part that followed what you bolded? Here, I've italicised it for you:

"Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship."

We should be pushing for reciprocity. Nothing wrong with that idea. You really should try to be less dishonest and stop cherry picking a fraction of someone's post whilst ignoring the rest.

When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.

He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?

There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.

There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.

Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.

Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?

If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.

 

[Tilly]

130,000 sign up for Facebook support page in less than a week



It’s being called the “Swedish Spring”; a groundswell of support for a top cop who went public on the epidemic of crimes being committed by Muslim migrants which has led to Swedes demanding a national conversation on the issue.

“Swedish Spring”: Citizens Demand National Conversation on Migrant Crimes After Top Cop Goes Public
---------------------------

But don't worry it's all a conspiracy because CNN,MSN, Maxine Water's , Obama, ABC aren't reporting it so do't worry it's all pretend..

We need more Breiviks, Muslims need to made to feel as unwelcome in the west as westerns are in Muslim nations.

Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship.

Well...at least some folks are honest, you and all those who agree with you.

Ban Muslims and all things Islamic.

Act like the other barbaric countries that are intolerant and repressive - regardless of our ideals and the behavior of individuals.

Thank you for at least finally being honest about it and not pretending it's just about Islamic extremists.

How did you miss the part that followed what you bolded? Here, I've italicised it for you:

"Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship."

We should be pushing for reciprocity. Nothing wrong with that idea. You really should try to be less dishonest and stop cherry picking a fraction of someone's post whilst ignoring the rest.

When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.

He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?

There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.

There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.

Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.

Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?

If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.

Yes the word UNTIL makes a huge difference. I'm astonished it took yet again another yard and a half of your nonsnense for you to convince yourself that it is just fine to ignore specific words and two thirds of a post in order to justify your dishonesty. Wait....did I say astonished? Lol.

 

[MindWars]

They just won't get it until we have a live version of Germany and or Sweden here maybe then they will wake up from the fantasy they are in. They meaning these dumb trendy, radical bleeding heart idiots who want the borders wide open.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It came from Infowars, so how the hell are we supposed to have a serious discussion about something that was likely made up? Post a real link or GTFO.

The story about the cop has been in the UK media.

That's not possible. Anything reported in Infowars must be a lie (sarc. the Left doesn't get sarcasm, so I have to point it out)

 

[Coyote]

We need more Breiviks, Muslims need to made to feel as unwelcome in the west as westerns are in Muslim nations.

Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship.

Well...at least some folks are honest, you and all those who agree with you.

Ban Muslims and all things Islamic.

Act like the other barbaric countries that are intolerant and repressive - regardless of our ideals and the behavior of individuals.

Thank you for at least finally being honest about it and not pretending it's just about Islamic extremists.

How did you miss the part that followed what you bolded? Here, I've italicised it for you:

"Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship."

We should be pushing for reciprocity. Nothing wrong with that idea. You really should try to be less dishonest and stop cherry picking a fraction of someone's post whilst ignoring the rest.

When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.

He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?

There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.

There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.

Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.

Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?

If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.

Yes the word UNTIL makes a huge difference. I'm astonished it took yet again another yard and a half of your nonsnense for you to convince yourself that it is just fine to ignore specific words and two thirds of a post in order to justify your dishonesty. Wait....did I say astonished? Lol.

What difference does it make?

The poster is calling for a ban on all Muslims and all things Islamic in the United States. Do you support it?

Thank you, at least, for making me realize that attempting to address your posts with any degree of thought or discussion is a complete waste of time.

 

[MindWars]

It came from Infowars, so how the hell are we supposed to have a serious discussion about something that was likely made up? Post a real link or GTFO.

The story about the cop has been in the UK media.

That's not possible. Anything reported in Infowars must be a lie (sarc. the Left doesn't get sarcasm, so I have to point it out)

Well you know how people's eyes might burn out if they actually go to the site and click those magical links that goes to a totally different web site where the articles originate from. That is to scary for moron liberals bhaah

 

[MindWars]

Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship.

Well...at least some folks are honest, you and all those who agree with you.

Ban Muslims and all things Islamic.

Act like the other barbaric countries that are intolerant and repressive - regardless of our ideals and the behavior of individuals.

Thank you for at least finally being honest about it and not pretending it's just about Islamic extremists.

How did you miss the part that followed what you bolded? Here, I've italicised it for you:

"Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship."

We should be pushing for reciprocity. Nothing wrong with that idea. You really should try to be less dishonest and stop cherry picking a fraction of someone's post whilst ignoring the rest.

When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.

He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?

There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.

There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.

Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.

Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?

If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.

Yes the word UNTIL makes a huge difference. I'm astonished it took yet again another yard and a half of your nonsnense for you to convince yourself that it is just fine to ignore specific words and two thirds of a post in order to justify your dishonesty. Wait....did I say astonished? Lol.

What difference does it make?

The poster is calling for a ban on all Muslims and all things Islamic in the United States. Do you support it?

Thank you, at least, for making me realize attempting to address your posts with any degree of thought or seriousness is a complete waste of time.

NOT THIS POSTER ISN'T CALLING FOR IT STOP MAKING UP BS LIES UNLESS YOU ARE MEANING THE WRITER ON THE SITE WHERE THE ARTICLE COMES FROM GAWD HELP YOU...

 

[Tilly]

Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship.

Well...at least some folks are honest, you and all those who agree with you.

Ban Muslims and all things Islamic.

Act like the other barbaric countries that are intolerant and repressive - regardless of our ideals and the behavior of individuals.

Thank you for at least finally being honest about it and not pretending it's just about Islamic extremists.

How did you miss the part that followed what you bolded? Here, I've italicised it for you:

"Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship."

We should be pushing for reciprocity. Nothing wrong with that idea. You really should try to be less dishonest and stop cherry picking a fraction of someone's post whilst ignoring the rest.

When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.

He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?

There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.

There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.

Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.

Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?

If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.

Yes the word UNTIL makes a huge difference. I'm astonished it took yet again another yard and a half of your nonsnense for you to convince yourself that it is just fine to ignore specific words and two thirds of a post in order to justify your dishonesty. Wait....did I say astonished? Lol.

What difference does it make?

The poster is calling for a ban on all Muslims and all things Islamic in the United States. Do you support it?

Thank you, at least, for making me realize that attempting to address your posts with any degree of thought or discussion is a complete waste of time.

UNTIL they start treating others with the same respect and tolerance they want and demand for themselves. UNTIL. do you get it yet? We certainly aren't encouraging them to become more tolerant by ignoring this huge issue. That is wrong, and you either have serious comprehension issues or you are a very dishonest person. Actually, I'm going for both.

 

[Tilly]

Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship.

Well...at least some folks are honest, you and all those who agree with you.

Ban Muslims and all things Islamic.

Act like the other barbaric countries that are intolerant and repressive - regardless of our ideals and the behavior of individuals.

Thank you for at least finally being honest about it and not pretending it's just about Islamic extremists.

How did you miss the part that followed what you bolded? Here, I've italicised it for you:

"Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship."

We should be pushing for reciprocity. Nothing wrong with that idea. You really should try to be less dishonest and stop cherry picking a fraction of someone's post whilst ignoring the rest.

When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.

He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?

There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.

There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.

Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.

Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?

If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.

Yes the word UNTIL makes a huge difference. I'm astonished it took yet again another yard and a half of your nonsnense for you to convince yourself that it is just fine to ignore specific words and two thirds of a post in order to justify your dishonesty. Wait....did I say astonished? Lol.

What difference does it make?

The poster is calling for a ban on all Muslims and all things Islamic in the United States. Do you support it?

Thank you, at least, for making me realize that attempting to address your posts with any degree of thought or discussion is a complete waste of time.

I don't think what you do to misrepresent posters takes much thought - you could do it in your sleep.

 

[Coyote]

Well...at least some folks are honest, you and all those who agree with you.

Ban Muslims and all things Islamic.

Act like the other barbaric countries that are intolerant and repressive - regardless of our ideals and the behavior of individuals.

Thank you for at least finally being honest about it and not pretending it's just about Islamic extremists.

How did you miss the part that followed what you bolded? Here, I've italicised it for you:

"Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship."

We should be pushing for reciprocity. Nothing wrong with that idea. You really should try to be less dishonest and stop cherry picking a fraction of someone's post whilst ignoring the rest.

When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.

He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?

There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.

There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.

Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.

Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?

If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.

Yes the word UNTIL makes a huge difference. I'm astonished it took yet again another yard and a half of your nonsnense for you to convince yourself that it is just fine to ignore specific words and two thirds of a post in order to justify your dishonesty. Wait....did I say astonished? Lol.

What difference does it make?

The poster is calling for a ban on all Muslims and all things Islamic in the United States. Do you support it?

Thank you, at least, for making me realize attempting to address your posts with any degree of thought or seriousness is a complete waste of time.

NOT THIS POSTER ISN'T CALLING FOR IT STOP MAKING UP BS LIES UNLESS YOU ARE MEANING THE WRITER ON THE SITE WHERE THE ARTICLE COMES FROM GAWD HELP YOU...

Mindwars, if you had followed the conversation instead of just jumping into the dogpile, you would realize which poster I was referring to, and it is not you nor the writer of the article. It was theHawk, in post#6 who made that comment.

 

[Coyote]

Well...at least some folks are honest, you and all those who agree with you.

Ban Muslims and all things Islamic.

Act like the other barbaric countries that are intolerant and repressive - regardless of our ideals and the behavior of individuals.

Thank you for at least finally being honest about it and not pretending it's just about Islamic extremists.

How did you miss the part that followed what you bolded? Here, I've italicised it for you:

"Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship."

We should be pushing for reciprocity. Nothing wrong with that idea. You really should try to be less dishonest and stop cherry picking a fraction of someone's post whilst ignoring the rest.

When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.

He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?

There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.

There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.

Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.

Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?

If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.

Yes the word UNTIL makes a huge difference. I'm astonished it took yet again another yard and a half of your nonsnense for you to convince yourself that it is just fine to ignore specific words and two thirds of a post in order to justify your dishonesty. Wait....did I say astonished? Lol.

What difference does it make?

The poster is calling for a ban on all Muslims and all things Islamic in the United States. Do you support it?

Thank you, at least, for making me realize that attempting to address your posts with any degree of thought or discussion is a complete waste of time.

UNTIL they start treating others with the same respect and tolerance they want and demand for themselves. UNTIL. do you get it yet? We certainly aren't encouraging them to become more tolerant by ignoring this huge issue. That is wrong, and you either have serious comprehension issues or you are a very dishonest person. Actually, I'm going for both.

The poster is calling for a ban on all Muslims and all things Islamic in the United States. Do you support it?

 

[MindWars]

How did you miss the part that followed what you bolded? Here, I've italicised it for you:

"Western countries need to ban Muslims and all things Islamic, until every Muslim country in the Middle East allows Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims all the rights of their own citizens and freedom to worship."

We should be pushing for reciprocity. Nothing wrong with that idea. You really should try to be less dishonest and stop cherry picking a fraction of someone's post whilst ignoring the rest.

When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.

He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?

There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.

There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.

Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.

Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?

If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.

Yes the word UNTIL makes a huge difference. I'm astonished it took yet again another yard and a half of your nonsnense for you to convince yourself that it is just fine to ignore specific words and two thirds of a post in order to justify your dishonesty. Wait....did I say astonished? Lol.

What difference does it make?

The poster is calling for a ban on all Muslims and all things Islamic in the United States. Do you support it?

Thank you, at least, for making me realize attempting to address your posts with any degree of thought or seriousness is a complete waste of time.

NOT THIS POSTER ISN'T CALLING FOR IT STOP MAKING UP BS LIES UNLESS YOU ARE MEANING THE WRITER ON THE SITE WHERE THE ARTICLE COMES FROM GAWD HELP YOU...

Mindwars, if you had followed the conversation instead of just jumping into the dogpile, you would realize which poster I was referring to, and it is not you nor the writer of the article. It was theHawk, in post#6 who made that comment.

OK you could be right on that idea " following"..... ooooopsie ((( hugs))))