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Yes the word UNTIL makes a huge difference. I'm astonished it took yet again another yard and a half of your nonsnense for you to convince yourself that it is just fine to ignore specific words and two thirds of a post in order to justify your dishonesty. Wait....did I say astonished? Lol.When you think about what he said, then what is in italics changes nothing.
He said "ban Muslims and all things Islamic". Think about that. He is calling for banning an entire religion in the United States. He's not talking about banning travelers. He's talking about banning Muslims and "all things Islamic" in this country. When you consider that Tilly, does the "until" make any difference?
There is something else to consider. Reciprocity.
There are a number of countries that do NOT have religious freedom - Myanmar and Russia for example. Not just Muslim countries though ME countries are among the worst. Worldwide there has been a disturbing decrease in religious freedom and tolerance.
Many people, including Muslims, are trying to leave because of persecution, or extreme religiousity. We have international students, including one Iranian (Muslim) man who is trying to get a green card and another who is an Iranian Kurd. They don't wish to return to Iran because they don't "get along with" the Mullahs. And they are Muslim.
Another thing to consider is what would be the effect of such a vast ban - would it change anything in those countries? I think probably not. You don't change cultures overnight, and when you back them into corners nationalism raises it's head and cooperation disappears along with any leverage you might have. Look at Saudi Arabia - the most conservative religious state in the world, especially in regards to women. Yet, slowly, they are changing and allowing women a few more rights. Did we enforce a travel ban? Sanctions? A country like Saudi Arabia is caught between competing powers - clerics, rulers, and the culture of the population. Any social changes require a degree of coordination between the rulers and the clerics - if they push too hard, the clerics clamp down. But slowly women are gaining a few rights. I have no doubt there are plenty of behind the scenes carrot and stick discussions between western governments and Saudi rulers to help encourage change as well as the difference social media and world wide internet make in a culture. Saudi has a long ways to go, obviously - but do you think a ban on "Muslims and all things Islamic" would make a difference or would anger them, and close the door to change?
If you're going to criticize others for being "dishonest", I suggest you look at your own house first. Look at how you accuse others of taking positions they do not take (like about rape) or how you support posters who do that sort of thing relentlessly with your "agreement". Clean your own house first.
What difference does it make?
The poster is calling for a ban on all Muslims and all things Islamic in the United States. Do you support it?
Thank you, at least, for making me realize attempting to address your posts with any degree of thought or seriousness is a complete waste of time.
NOT THIS POSTER ISN'T CALLING FOR IT STOP MAKING UP BS LIES UNLESS YOU ARE MEANING THE WRITER ON THE SITE WHERE THE ARTICLE COMES FROM GAWD HELP YOU...
Mindwars, if you had followed the conversation instead of just jumping into the dogpile, you would realize which poster I was referring to, and it is not you nor the writer of the article. It was theHawk, in post#6 who made that comment.
OK you could be right on that idea " following"..... ooooopsie ((( hugs))))
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