Ted Cruz says he would roll back all of Obama's Executive Orders

[Auld Phart]

That's funny.

Reagan signed a bill, not an EO, passed by both t House and the Senate, with veto proof majorities in both houses.

I love it when the uninformed bring that up.

I did point out that it was legislation.

I also gave my oppinion that it was wrong.

So you did.

Odd you would bring it up in a discussion about EOs,

But, you were correct.

 

[Pete7469]

So you did.

Odd you would bring it up in a discussion about EOs,

But, you were correct.

My point had more to do with the idea that compromising with democrooks is foolish. The border was supposed to have been secured.

It wasn't and they've resisted efforts to do so.

It was also wrong to amnesty millions of law breakers. The manner in which it was done is certainly less reprehensible that what the moonbat messiah has attempted.

 

[thereisnospoon]

WHOA......How will a tax INCREASE increase the debt?
This ought to be good.

By not collecting anywhere near what the current taxes do. Increasing the deficit and thus the debt.

And the 'flat tax' proposals don't collect enough to cover expenses.

Ok....So we have a new contestant..
Ok, go on....Please explain all of that.

I just did. What part of 'by not collecting anywhere near what current taxes do' did you not understand?

No..That was your statement. Now I ask for how you arrived at the conclusion.

To start, with no IRS....who would check to see if you'd paid the proper amount?

Lets try this again...
You claimed tax revenue would be lower with a flat tax.....Just show the data you used to arrive at that conclusion...
Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.
BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.
The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.
The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

 

[Pete7469]

Lets try this again...
You claimed tax revenue would be lower with a flat tax.....Just show the data you used to arrive at that conclusion...
Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.
BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.
The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.
The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

You forgot to mention the BILLIONS the IRS overpaid in fraudulant returns.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) overpaid between $11.6 billion and $13.6 billion in tax credits designed to help low-income families in fiscal 2012 , the Treasury Department announced in a report released Monday.

It's even worse when you consider that it's +/- 2 BILLION dollars. If they can't approach an estimate that isn't BILLIONS of dollars off, why would you entrust these incompetent clowns and in some cases political criminals, to serve the public?

The IRS needs to go.

Cruz is correct when he suggest you should be able to do your taxes on a post card. We for damn sure shouldn't need fucking lawyers to help us figure out tax code.

 

[Skylar]

Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.

The problem with that idea is that money invested into the IRS returns tax revenue at a rate of about 6 to 1. So if you invest a dollar in the IRS, they collect 6 more. Cutting the IRS wouldn't result in overall savings. It would result in a net loss.

What cutting the IRS does is make it easier for people to cheat on their taxes. Which I suspect is the point.

BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.

With no IRS as Ted Cruz proposes, you wouldn't get even that 10% of audits. There would be no enforcement. Like speeding laws with no highway patrol. There's no one to issue tickets. Even if only 1 in 10 returns are checked, that's still an enormous deterrent to tax cheating. As the likelihood of being caught would be 1 in 10....each year. And if they catch you, they'll likely go back half a decade and look at past returns.

Be eliminating the IRS completely, you make it vastly easier. Which again, is the point. Its no coincidence that Hedgefund managers are bankrolling Cruz's superPACs. They want to eliminate as much enforcement of tax laws as possible.

The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.

Save for two problems: the IRS returns more money than is spent in on it by a factor of 6 to 1. And the POTUS using it as a weapon against those that defy him is an imaginary narrative. Take the whole 'IRS scandal'. There's no evidence of POTUS involvement. No evidence of any political motivation.

Oh, there are the accusations. But the evidence to back them never materialized. Yet instead of abandoning the accusations when the evidence didn't back them, the accusations are merely repeated without evidence.

That's not a rational basis for defunding the IRS.

The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

We're not doing a flat tax for all the reasons you avoided. That it shifts the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the middle class and eliminates most of the middle classes largest exemptions.

Its where the 'flat tax' narrative always breaks. And will continue to break. Which is why it won't happen.

 

[bripat9643]

Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.

The problem with that idea is that money invested into the IRS returns tax revenue at a rate of about 6 to 1. So if you invest a dollar in the IRS, they collect 6 more. Cutting the IRS wouldn't result in overall savings. It would result in a net loss.

What cutting the IRS does is make it easier for people to cheat on their taxes. Which I suspect is the point.

BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.

With no IRS as Ted Cruz proposes, you wouldn't get even that 10% of audits. There would be no enforcement. Like speeding laws with no highway patrol. There's no one to issue tickets. Even if only 1 in 10 returns are checked, that's still an enormous deterrent to tax cheating. As the likelihood of being caught would be 1 in 10....each year. And if they catch you, they'll likely go back half a decade and look at past returns.

Be eliminating the IRS completely, you make it vastly easier. Which again, is the point. Its no coincidence that Hedgefund managers are bankrolling Cruz's superPACs. They want to eliminate as much enforcement of tax laws as possible.

The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.

Save for two problems: the IRS returns more money than is spent in on it by a factor of 6 to 1. And the POTUS using it as a weapon against those that defy him is an imaginary narrative. Take the whole 'IRS scandal'. There's no evidence of POTUS involvement. No evidence of any political motivation.

Oh, there are the accusations. But the evidence to back them never materialized. Yet instead of abandoning the accusations when the evidence didn't back them, the accusations are merely repeated without evidence.

That's not a rational basis for defunding the IRS.

The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

We're not doing a flat tax for all the reasons you avoided. That it shifts the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the middle class and eliminates most of the middle classes largest exemptions.

Its where the 'flat tax' narrative always breaks. And will continue to break. Which is why it won't happen.

The only way to get rid of the IRS is to abolish the income tax and go to a consumption tax. Anyone who claims they want to abolish the IRS without abolishing the income tax is either a fool or a liar.

 

[Skylar]

Lets try this again...
You claimed tax revenue would be lower with a flat tax.....Just show the data you used to arrive at that conclusion...
Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.
BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.
The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.
The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

You forgot to mention the BILLIONS the IRS overpaid in fraudulant returns.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) overpaid between $11.6 billion and $13.6 billion in tax credits designed to help low-income families in fiscal 2012 , the Treasury Department announced in a report released Monday.

It's even worse when you consider that it's +/- 2 BILLION dollars. If they can't approach an estimate that isn't BILLIONS of dollars off, why would you entrust these incompetent clowns and in some cases political criminals, to serve the public?

The IRS needs to go.

Cruz is correct when he suggest you should be able to do your taxes on a post card. We for damn sure shouldn't need fucking lawyers to help us figure out tax code.

And eliminating enforcement is going to REDUCE fraudulent returns?

That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Skylar]

Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.

The problem with that idea is that money invested into the IRS returns tax revenue at a rate of about 6 to 1. So if you invest a dollar in the IRS, they collect 6 more. Cutting the IRS wouldn't result in overall savings. It would result in a net loss.

What cutting the IRS does is make it easier for people to cheat on their taxes. Which I suspect is the point.

BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.

With no IRS as Ted Cruz proposes, you wouldn't get even that 10% of audits. There would be no enforcement. Like speeding laws with no highway patrol. There's no one to issue tickets. Even if only 1 in 10 returns are checked, that's still an enormous deterrent to tax cheating. As the likelihood of being caught would be 1 in 10....each year. And if they catch you, they'll likely go back half a decade and look at past returns.

Be eliminating the IRS completely, you make it vastly easier. Which again, is the point. Its no coincidence that Hedgefund managers are bankrolling Cruz's superPACs. They want to eliminate as much enforcement of tax laws as possible.

The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.

Save for two problems: the IRS returns more money than is spent in on it by a factor of 6 to 1. And the POTUS using it as a weapon against those that defy him is an imaginary narrative. Take the whole 'IRS scandal'. There's no evidence of POTUS involvement. No evidence of any political motivation.

Oh, there are the accusations. But the evidence to back them never materialized. Yet instead of abandoning the accusations when the evidence didn't back them, the accusations are merely repeated without evidence.

That's not a rational basis for defunding the IRS.

The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

We're not doing a flat tax for all the reasons you avoided. That it shifts the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the middle class and eliminates most of the middle classes largest exemptions.

Its where the 'flat tax' narrative always breaks. And will continue to break. Which is why it won't happen.

The only way to get rid of the IRS is to abolish the income tax and go to a consumption tax. Anyone who claims they want to abolish the IRS without abolishing the income tax is either a fool or a liar.

Huh.

"I think we ought to abolish the IRS and instead move to a simple flat tax where the average American can fill out taxes on postcard"

Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz Abolish the IRS - The Washington Post

So is he a fool or a liar?

 

[bendog]

"Mr. Cruz, your clown car has arrived. Please meet your driver outside the hotel lobby."

 

[bripat9643]

Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.

The problem with that idea is that money invested into the IRS returns tax revenue at a rate of about 6 to 1. So if you invest a dollar in the IRS, they collect 6 more. Cutting the IRS wouldn't result in overall savings. It would result in a net loss.

What cutting the IRS does is make it easier for people to cheat on their taxes. Which I suspect is the point.

BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.

With no IRS as Ted Cruz proposes, you wouldn't get even that 10% of audits. There would be no enforcement. Like speeding laws with no highway patrol. There's no one to issue tickets. Even if only 1 in 10 returns are checked, that's still an enormous deterrent to tax cheating. As the likelihood of being caught would be 1 in 10....each year. And if they catch you, they'll likely go back half a decade and look at past returns.

Be eliminating the IRS completely, you make it vastly easier. Which again, is the point. Its no coincidence that Hedgefund managers are bankrolling Cruz's superPACs. They want to eliminate as much enforcement of tax laws as possible.

The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.

Save for two problems: the IRS returns more money than is spent in on it by a factor of 6 to 1. And the POTUS using it as a weapon against those that defy him is an imaginary narrative. Take the whole 'IRS scandal'. There's no evidence of POTUS involvement. No evidence of any political motivation.

Oh, there are the accusations. But the evidence to back them never materialized. Yet instead of abandoning the accusations when the evidence didn't back them, the accusations are merely repeated without evidence.

That's not a rational basis for defunding the IRS.

The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

We're not doing a flat tax for all the reasons you avoided. That it shifts the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the middle class and eliminates most of the middle classes largest exemptions.

Its where the 'flat tax' narrative always breaks. And will continue to break. Which is why it won't happen.

The only way to get rid of the IRS is to abolish the income tax and go to a consumption tax. Anyone who claims they want to abolish the IRS without abolishing the income tax is either a fool or a liar.

Huh.

"I think we ought to abolish the IRS and instead move to a simple flat tax where the average American can fill out taxes on postcard"

Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz Abolish the IRS - The Washington Post

So is he a fool or a liar?

Yes, he is. Lot's of Republicans have proposed a flat income tax and claimed it would allow them to abolish the IRS. They are all full of shit.

 

[Skylar]

Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.

The problem with that idea is that money invested into the IRS returns tax revenue at a rate of about 6 to 1. So if you invest a dollar in the IRS, they collect 6 more. Cutting the IRS wouldn't result in overall savings. It would result in a net loss.

What cutting the IRS does is make it easier for people to cheat on their taxes. Which I suspect is the point.

BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.

With no IRS as Ted Cruz proposes, you wouldn't get even that 10% of audits. There would be no enforcement. Like speeding laws with no highway patrol. There's no one to issue tickets. Even if only 1 in 10 returns are checked, that's still an enormous deterrent to tax cheating. As the likelihood of being caught would be 1 in 10....each year. And if they catch you, they'll likely go back half a decade and look at past returns.

Be eliminating the IRS completely, you make it vastly easier. Which again, is the point. Its no coincidence that Hedgefund managers are bankrolling Cruz's superPACs. They want to eliminate as much enforcement of tax laws as possible.

The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.

Save for two problems: the IRS returns more money than is spent in on it by a factor of 6 to 1. And the POTUS using it as a weapon against those that defy him is an imaginary narrative. Take the whole 'IRS scandal'. There's no evidence of POTUS involvement. No evidence of any political motivation.

Oh, there are the accusations. But the evidence to back them never materialized. Yet instead of abandoning the accusations when the evidence didn't back them, the accusations are merely repeated without evidence.

That's not a rational basis for defunding the IRS.

The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

We're not doing a flat tax for all the reasons you avoided. That it shifts the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the middle class and eliminates most of the middle classes largest exemptions.

Its where the 'flat tax' narrative always breaks. And will continue to break. Which is why it won't happen.

The only way to get rid of the IRS is to abolish the income tax and go to a consumption tax. Anyone who claims they want to abolish the IRS without abolishing the income tax is either a fool or a liar.

Huh.

"I think we ought to abolish the IRS and instead move to a simple flat tax where the average American can fill out taxes on postcard"

Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz Abolish the IRS - The Washington Post

So is he a fool or a liar?

Yes, he is. Lot's of Republicans have proposed a flat income tax and claimed it would allow them to abolish the IRS. They are all full of shit.

So a fool and a liar who is full of shit......got your vote?

 

[bripat9643]

Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.

The problem with that idea is that money invested into the IRS returns tax revenue at a rate of about 6 to 1. So if you invest a dollar in the IRS, they collect 6 more. Cutting the IRS wouldn't result in overall savings. It would result in a net loss.

What cutting the IRS does is make it easier for people to cheat on their taxes. Which I suspect is the point.

BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.

With no IRS as Ted Cruz proposes, you wouldn't get even that 10% of audits. There would be no enforcement. Like speeding laws with no highway patrol. There's no one to issue tickets. Even if only 1 in 10 returns are checked, that's still an enormous deterrent to tax cheating. As the likelihood of being caught would be 1 in 10....each year. And if they catch you, they'll likely go back half a decade and look at past returns.

Be eliminating the IRS completely, you make it vastly easier. Which again, is the point. Its no coincidence that Hedgefund managers are bankrolling Cruz's superPACs. They want to eliminate as much enforcement of tax laws as possible.

The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.

Save for two problems: the IRS returns more money than is spent in on it by a factor of 6 to 1. And the POTUS using it as a weapon against those that defy him is an imaginary narrative. Take the whole 'IRS scandal'. There's no evidence of POTUS involvement. No evidence of any political motivation.

Oh, there are the accusations. But the evidence to back them never materialized. Yet instead of abandoning the accusations when the evidence didn't back them, the accusations are merely repeated without evidence.

That's not a rational basis for defunding the IRS.

The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

We're not doing a flat tax for all the reasons you avoided. That it shifts the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the middle class and eliminates most of the middle classes largest exemptions.

Its where the 'flat tax' narrative always breaks. And will continue to break. Which is why it won't happen.

The only way to get rid of the IRS is to abolish the income tax and go to a consumption tax. Anyone who claims they want to abolish the IRS without abolishing the income tax is either a fool or a liar.

Huh.

"I think we ought to abolish the IRS and instead move to a simple flat tax where the average American can fill out taxes on postcard"

Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz Abolish the IRS - The Washington Post

So is he a fool or a liar?

Yes, he is. Lot's of Republicans have proposed a flat income tax and claimed it would allow them to abolish the IRS. They are all full of shit.

So a fool and a liar who is full of shit......got your vote?

They're all fools and liars. Which honest politicians do you suggest I vote for?

 

[Kosh]

Since you opened the door...A flat tax would not mean the elimination of any revenue department. However, a leaner and more efficient IRS would be the way to go.

The problem with that idea is that money invested into the IRS returns tax revenue at a rate of about 6 to 1. So if you invest a dollar in the IRS, they collect 6 more. Cutting the IRS wouldn't result in overall savings. It would result in a net loss.

What cutting the IRS does is make it easier for people to cheat on their taxes. Which I suspect is the point.

BTW, the IRS does not check to make sure one pay the correct amount. In fact over 90% of returns are not audited.

With no IRS as Ted Cruz proposes, you wouldn't get even that 10% of audits. There would be no enforcement. Like speeding laws with no highway patrol. There's no one to issue tickets. Even if only 1 in 10 returns are checked, that's still an enormous deterrent to tax cheating. As the likelihood of being caught would be 1 in 10....each year. And if they catch you, they'll likely go back half a decade and look at past returns.

Be eliminating the IRS completely, you make it vastly easier. Which again, is the point. Its no coincidence that Hedgefund managers are bankrolling Cruz's superPACs. They want to eliminate as much enforcement of tax laws as possible.

The IRS has morphed into a gigantic bureaucracy. And now, as we have seen, a took for this POTUS to use as a weapon against those who defy him.

Save for two problems: the IRS returns more money than is spent in on it by a factor of 6 to 1. And the POTUS using it as a weapon against those that defy him is an imaginary narrative. Take the whole 'IRS scandal'. There's no evidence of POTUS involvement. No evidence of any political motivation.

Oh, there are the accusations. But the evidence to back them never materialized. Yet instead of abandoning the accusations when the evidence didn't back them, the accusations are merely repeated without evidence.

That's not a rational basis for defunding the IRS.

The various depts of federal government exist to serve the people. The IRS serves itself and its master. The time for a rewrite of the US Tax Code has arrived.

We're not doing a flat tax for all the reasons you avoided. That it shifts the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the middle class and eliminates most of the middle classes largest exemptions.

Its where the 'flat tax' narrative always breaks. And will continue to break. Which is why it won't happen.

The only way to get rid of the IRS is to abolish the income tax and go to a consumption tax. Anyone who claims they want to abolish the IRS without abolishing the income tax is either a fool or a liar.

Huh.

"I think we ought to abolish the IRS and instead move to a simple flat tax where the average American can fill out taxes on postcard"

Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz Abolish the IRS - The Washington Post

So is he a fool or a liar?

Yes, he is. Lot's of Republicans have proposed a flat income tax and claimed it would allow them to abolish the IRS. They are all full of shit.

So a fool and a liar who is full of shit......got your vote?

Says the far left drone that voted for Obama twice and will vote for Hilary in 2016.