tell congress ..if you dont need health care..they dont need it either

[strollingbones]

Remove health-care subsidies for Members of Congress and their families

why should congress and their families enjoy health care why refusing to give taxpayers the same?
sign the petition

 

[NightFox]

Remove health-care subsidies for Members of Congress and their families

why should congress and their families enjoy health care why refusing to give taxpayers the same?
sign the petition

How about we do one better, remove health care subsidies for EVERYBODY that's not at or below the poverty line.

We need to stop blowing money that's being stolen from future generations subsidizing people that are not poor and perfectly capable of earning their own way, perhaps if we do that we'd actually have the resources to help the poor become NOT poor.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

 

[NightFox]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

 

[AntonToo]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

There is no free market system in which a guy that is barely making ends meet gets a heart surgery or cancer treatment.

In a free market, bottom line driven healthcare, he gets to die.

 

[MisterBeale]

Remove health-care subsidies for Members of Congress and their families

why should congress and their families enjoy health care why refusing to give taxpayers the same?
sign the petition

You do know that Change.org gets signatures from all over the world, right?

So it's not really legit.

 

[NightFox]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

There is no free market system in which a guy that is barely making ends meet gets a heart surgery or cancer treatment.

In a free market he gets to die.

LOL, define "barely making ends meet"?

Would that be somebody that is at or below the poverty line ?
Or someone that doesn't set financial priorities appropriately?

...and of course you're either ignoring or are unaware of the fact that the reason that health insurance and treatment is so expensive is a direct result of government interference in the marketplace.

If you're actually interested in helping people on the lower echelons of the income ladder then a free market is the best way to do it, if you want to further enrich those at the top of the ladder then government economic interventionism is the absolute best formula for achieving that. You already have massive government economic interventionism and what is the result ? accelerating income inequality and people at the lower end of the scale not being able to afford health insurance and your solution is what? More of the same?

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" -- Albert Einstein

 

[WheelieAddict]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

Free market healthcare sounds great.........until you are sick from something that wasn't covered in your plan, or had a preexisting condition not covered. Now no insurance will cover you. Better suck it up and pay free market prices for care because no insurance company will cover you, if you can't afford it too bad. Sell your house and car and cash out your investments, no govt aid for you pull up your bootstraps and get an extra job freeloader.

 

[NightFox]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

Free market healthcare sounds great.........until you are sick from something that wasn't covered in your plan, or had a preexisting condition not covered. Now no insurance will cover you. Better suck it up and pay free market prices for care because no insurance company will cover you, if you can't afford it too bad. Sell your house and car and cash out your investments, no govt aid for you pull up your bootstraps and get an extra job freeloader.

Free market healthcare would be cheaper and higher quality than what you have now, it's just like everything else private enterprise does when it has to compete on a free and level playing field, as opposed to government intervention which destroys competition resulting in higher prices and lower quality. Business can't price their customers out of the market and survive which is why they just love government interference because it gives them a perfect avenue for looting the public treasury to subsidize un-affordable prices while at the same time using the regulatory regime to lock out competitors so they don't have worry about quality either.

You don't have a free market in healthcare and haven't had anything remotely resembling one since prior to WW II, what you have is a government controlled market with a massive system of crony capitalism, how's that working out so far?

 

[Defiant1]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

Free market healthcare sounds great.........until you are sick from something that wasn't covered in your plan, or had a preexisting condition not covered. Now no insurance will cover you. Better suck it up and pay free market prices for care because no insurance company will cover you, if you can't afford it too bad. Sell your house and car and cash out your investments, no govt aid for you pull up your bootstraps and get an extra job freeloader.

Sounds like a great plan.

I love personal responsibility.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

Free market healthcare sounds great.........until you are sick from something that wasn't covered in your plan, or had a preexisting condition not covered. Now no insurance will cover you. Better suck it up and pay free market prices for care because no insurance company will cover you, if you can't afford it too bad. Sell your house and car and cash out your investments, no govt aid for you pull up your bootstraps and get an extra job freeloader.

Free market healthcare would be cheaper and higher quality than what you have now, it's just like everything else private enterprise does when it has to compete on a free and level playing field, as opposed to government intervention which destroys competition resulting in higher prices and lower quality. Business can't price their customers out of the market and survive which is why they just love government interference because it gives them a perfect avenue for looting the public treasury to subsidize un-affordable prices while at the same time using the regulatory regime to lock out competitors so they don't have worry about quality either.

You don't have have a free market in healthcare and haven't had anything remotely resembling one since prior to WW II, what you have a government controlled market with a massive system of crony capitalism, how's that working out so far?

With true free market health care there will be tens of millions with cheapo plans with limited coverage. Who pays when their plan doesn't? I guess in a true free market if you can't pay at the ER then you are turned away. Is that really the system you want?

 

[brummelben]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Yjere is no such thing as socialized health care, and you know it

 

[rightwinger]

Remove health-care subsidies for Members of Congress and their families

why should congress and their families enjoy health care why refusing to give taxpayers the same?
sign the petition

How about we do one better, remove health care subsidies for EVERYBODY that's not at or below the poverty line.

We need to stop blowing money that's being stolen from future generations subsidizing people that are not poor and perfectly capable of earning their own way, perhaps if we do that we'd actually have the resources to help the poor become NOT poor.

Employers subsidize their employees healthcare, that is what makes it affordable

Congressmen don't need the Government subsidy, they are mostly, independently wealthy. But when you try to make a lesson out of Congressmen, you end up punishing their low paid staff who had to give up membership in the Federal Employees Health Benefit

 

[WheelieAddict]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

Free market healthcare sounds great.........until you are sick from something that wasn't covered in your plan, or had a preexisting condition not covered. Now no insurance will cover you. Better suck it up and pay free market prices for care because no insurance company will cover you, if you can't afford it too bad. Sell your house and car and cash out your investments, no govt aid for you pull up your bootstraps and get an extra job freeloader.

Sounds like a great plan.

I love personal responsibility.

What if you are a hard worker and were laid off no fault of your own and find yourself between coverage. Then you have an accident/health problem. Should you be refused care and die because personal responsibility?

 

[mudwhistle]

Remove health-care subsidies for Members of Congress and their families

why should congress and their families enjoy health care why refusing to give taxpayers the same?
sign the petition

The reason health care is such a problem is because of meddling from Washington. The health care industry was fine until the Clintons took the White House and started screwing with regulations.

 

[NightFox]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

Free market healthcare sounds great.........until you are sick from something that wasn't covered in your plan, or had a preexisting condition not covered. Now no insurance will cover you. Better suck it up and pay free market prices for care because no insurance company will cover you, if you can't afford it too bad. Sell your house and car and cash out your investments, no govt aid for you pull up your bootstraps and get an extra job freeloader.

Free market healthcare would be cheaper and higher quality than what you have now, it's just like everything else private enterprise does when it has to compete on a free and level playing field, as opposed to government intervention which destroys competition resulting in higher prices and lower quality. Business can't price their customers out of the market and survive which is why they just love government interference because it gives them a perfect avenue for looting the public treasury to subsidize un-affordable prices while at the same time using the regulatory regime to lock out competitors so they don't have worry about quality either.

You don't have have a free market in healthcare and haven't had anything remotely resembling one since prior to WW II, what you have a government controlled market with a massive system of crony capitalism, how's that working out so far?

With true free market health care there will be tens of millions with cheapo plans with limited coverage. Who pays when their plan doesn't? I guess in a true free market if you can't pay at the ER then you are turned away. Is that really the system you want?

Just like everything else, the consumer pays for what he/she consumes, what other system do you propose that is more efficient at allocating limited resources? Health care isn't an infinite resource and the system currently in place decouples the costs of consumption from the consumer and places the burden on the public which is a completely bass-ackwards system and leads to inefficient resource allocation, People over-consume and thus leave less supply for those that really need it, less supply leads to higher prices and thus is born a higher price spiral.

As far as filling in the gaps, I have no issues with helping those that fall below the poverty (although I would want to direct resources in a manner that helps them become NOT poor), we have private charity (which gets crowded out by government interference) and lastly consumers are at the end of the day responsible for managing their own lives which involves making informed and intelligent choices regarding their health care insurance needs, the latter of which is FAR easier to do in a free market.

The current system also strongly protects and subsidizes established insurance providers which leads to higher prices, lower quality and less innovation. There is almost zero innovation going on with respect to health care provisioning and no organic competition being fostered in the sector; current providers don't have to worry about a couple of Steves in a garage coming up with cheaper, higher quality insurance provisioning ideas since the regulatory regime completely locks them out of the market not to mention the fact that if the establishment has pricing power problems good ole Uncle Sam will show up at the backdoor with dump trucks full of tax payer money to subsidize the holes in their balance sheets.

The results of the current fascistic system are clear, we have stupefying price inflation, falling quality and supply shortages, just look around.

 

[AntonToo]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

Free market healthcare sounds great.........until you are sick from something that wasn't covered in your plan, or had a preexisting condition not covered. Now no insurance will cover you. Better suck it up and pay free market prices for care because no insurance company will cover you, if you can't afford it too bad. Sell your house and car and cash out your investments, no govt aid for you pull up your bootstraps and get an extra job freeloader.

Free market healthcare would be cheaper and higher quality than what you have now, it's just like everything else private enterprise does when it has to compete on a free and level playing field, as opposed to government intervention which destroys competition resulting in higher prices and lower quality. Business can't price their customers out of the market and survive which is why they just love government interference because it gives them a perfect avenue for looting the public treasury to subsidize un-affordable prices while at the same time using the regulatory regime to lock out competitors so they don't have worry about quality either.

You don't have a free market in healthcare and haven't had anything remotely resembling one since prior to WW II, what you have is a government controlled market with a massive system of crony capitalism, how's that working out so far?

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

There is no free market system in which a guy that is barely making ends meet gets a heart surgery or cancer treatment.

In a free market he gets to die.

LOL, define "barely making ends meet"?

Would that be somebody that is at or below the poverty line ?
Or someone that doesn't set financial priorities appropriately?

Someone making 30k-40k a year with a kid or two to take care of.

There is no way in hell this person can pay for $60k heart attack surgery and hospital stay, especially considering high odds of long term unemployment that will follow it.

Healthcare is not a luxury, it is risky, often expensive NECESSITY very badly suited to be accommodated by pure free market's bottom line drivers. You righty ideologues just can't get that simple concept through your thick, naive head.

First and foremost reason for expensive insurance is....EXPENSIVE HEALTH CARE it pays for, not government.

Not convinced? Look at all the big government healthcare systems that cost their countries a fraction of what we spend.

 

[Defiant1]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

Free market healthcare sounds great.........until you are sick from something that wasn't covered in your plan, or had a preexisting condition not covered. Now no insurance will cover you. Better suck it up and pay free market prices for care because no insurance company will cover you, if you can't afford it too bad. Sell your house and car and cash out your investments, no govt aid for you pull up your bootstraps and get an extra job freeloader.

Sounds like a great plan.

I love personal responsibility.

What if you are a hard worker and were laid off no fault of your own and find yourself between coverage. Then you have an accident/health problem. Should you be refused care and die because personal responsibility?

Your choice. Accept the debt or not.
What's your life worth to you?
If it's not worth everything to you why should it mean anything to me?

 

[BULLDOG]

Remove health-care subsidies for Members of Congress and their families

why should congress and their families enjoy health care why refusing to give taxpayers the same?
sign the petition

The Right Wing Congress doesn't care what the people want.

 

[NightFox]

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

Free market healthcare sounds great.........until you are sick from something that wasn't covered in your plan, or had a preexisting condition not covered. Now no insurance will cover you. Better suck it up and pay free market prices for care because no insurance company will cover you, if you can't afford it too bad. Sell your house and car and cash out your investments, no govt aid for you pull up your bootstraps and get an extra job freeloader.

Free market healthcare would be cheaper and higher quality than what you have now, it's just like everything else private enterprise does when it has to compete on a free and level playing field, as opposed to government intervention which destroys competition resulting in higher prices and lower quality. Business can't price their customers out of the market and survive which is why they just love government interference because it gives them a perfect avenue for looting the public treasury to subsidize un-affordable prices while at the same time using the regulatory regime to lock out competitors so they don't have worry about quality either.

You don't have a free market in healthcare and haven't had anything remotely resembling one since prior to WW II, what you have is a government controlled market with a massive system of crony capitalism, how's that working out so far?

Absolutely. Let them try the free market. They don't like socialized health care then they need to get off it.

Before we can "let them try the free market" we'd actually have to have a free market, as of right now it doesn't exist but I'm all for creating one, we can start by removing the monopoly control of the money supply exercised by private bankers and then move on to stripping away the 10's of thousands of pages of state and federal regulations and tax and redistribute schemes that control pretty much every aspect of the current market.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -- Ronald Reagan

There is no free market system in which a guy that is barely making ends meet gets a heart surgery or cancer treatment.

In a free market he gets to die.

LOL, define "barely making ends meet"?

Would that be somebody that is at or below the poverty line ?
Or someone that doesn't set financial priorities appropriately?

Someone making 30k-40k a year with a kid or two to take care of.

There is no way it hell this person can pay for $60k heart attack surgery and hospital stay, especially considering high odds of long term unemployment that will follow it.

Healthcare is not a luxury, it is risky, often expensive NECESSITY very badly suited by pure free market's bottom line drivers. .

Someone making 30K-40K isn't below the poverty line and can afford health insurance even under the current system of government induced price inflation, the "kid or two" part is completely irrelevant since encouraging people to have kids they can't afford to properly care for by subsidizing it is a completely asinine approach and acts an enabler for creating more poverty.

People need to take responsibility for their own lives and stop expecting everybody else to subsidize their bad choices, either that or you gub'mint worshipers need to start putting your money where you mouth is and start writing checks instead of using government to steal from everybody else to subsidize your economy destroying WANTS. You folks don't give a fuck about ANYBODY else, all you care about is power for your criminal organizations commonly known as the two major political parties, so spare me your faux egalitarianism, if you were interested in actually helping others you wouldn't be so wedded to the current system that fucks them over six ways from Sunday.

You righty ideologues just can't get that simple concept through your thick, naive head

LOL! you have a lot of nerve calling anybody an ideologue or naive since you're clearly so encased in that thick fog of gub'mint worshiper propaganda that you cannot even begin to consider alternative approaches to the current fascist system that is in place and clearly you have no grasp of economic realities or what a free market actually entails which makes YOU the naive one.

Do some homework and practice some critical thinking for a change instead of just relying on what hyper-Keynsian talking heads and politicians with a "D" behind there names telling what to think, until you endeavor to do that you're nothing but a hyper-partisan parrot.