Terrorists invite us to join them in debauchery.....US takes the bait

[Where_r_my_Keys]

As per the UN resolution on torture signed by Reagan......we did

No... we didn't. Not 'per' any instrument, signed by anyone, anywhere, at any time.

Causing mass-murderers 'discomfort' is not torture, PERIOD.

Just as patting a woman on her ass,or brushing her tit is not rape and, just as there is no right for a person of equal rights to murder another, when that other is deemed by that person to be 'inconvenient'.

And there is your problem...how many innocent men were tortured in a CIA fishing expedition?

How low must we sink in trying to feel "safe"?

We should resort to drone strikes and kill them along with their wives and children. That would taking the high moral road don't you think?

Drone strikes are a military action against a target identified as a threat. They are the equivalent of a bombing raid or attack by a military force

The rules change once someone is unarmed and under your control.

According to you the targets all have Constitutional rights.

Well all human beings have human rights. Not all human beings are protected by the US Constitutions intrinsic limits upon government power.

 

[Redfish]

How we went to the Dark Side - The Week

America lost its collective mind. It was amid this mass hysteria that the Bush administration crossed a line that the U.S. had never before crossed, not even in fighting Hitler's Germany. In order to deliver us from evil, our intelligence agencies tortured people with a persistent, sadistic brutality that, we know now, left even CIA officers nauseated, shaking, and crying.

This is terrorism's sick genius. Terrorists invite us — seduce us — to share their Manichaean worldview, to respond to savagery with savagery, to join them in madness. "Make us safe!" Americans demanded. And so our elected leaders launched two wars, saw WMD where there were none, launched surveillance programs with virtually no limits, and embraced "enhanced interrogation." As justification, the White House and the CIA joined Machiavelli, Marx, and Stalin in insisting that the end justifies the means. Lots of individuals bear responsibility for the horrors detailed in the Senate committee’s torture report. But if we are honest, that journey to the Dark Side was a collective failure — and sobering evidence of how fragile our principles really are.

what a piece of journalistic bullshit.

 

[Freewill]

Where are the indictments for war crimes?

Liberals prefer to kill the unborn or drop predator missiles on the innocent over water boarding, wow.

 

[bripat9643]

No... we didn't. Not 'per' any instrument, signed by anyone, anywhere, at any time.

Causing mass-murderers 'discomfort' is not torture, PERIOD.

Just as patting a woman on her ass,or brushing her tit is not rape and, just as there is no right for a person of equal rights to murder another, when that other is deemed by that person to be 'inconvenient'.

And there is your problem...how many innocent men were tortured in a CIA fishing expedition?

How low must we sink in trying to feel "safe"?

We should resort to drone strikes and kill them along with their wives and children. That would taking the high moral road don't you think?

Drone strikes are a military action against a target identified as a threat. They are the equivalent of a bombing raid or attack by a military force

The rules change once someone is unarmed and under your control.

According to you the targets all have Constitutional rights.

Well all human beings have human rights. Not all human beings are protected by the US Constitutions intrinsic limits upon government power.

Rightwinger claimed they all have Constitutional rights. Then he claimed with can kill them with drones without giving them a trial.

 

[bripat9643]

So, the next time terrorists attack America, we should just invite them to join a big communal drumming circle at Burning Man?

No
We should continue to track them down like the filth they are

What we shouldn't do is lower ourselves down to their level of morality

Torture of mass murderers to save lives is perfectly acceptable according to our rules of morality.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

And there is your problem...how many innocent men were tortured in a CIA fishing expedition?

How low must we sink in trying to feel "safe"?

We should resort to drone strikes and kill them along with their wives and children. That would taking the high moral road don't you think?

Drone strikes are a military action against a target identified as a threat. They are the equivalent of a bombing raid or attack by a military force

The rules change once someone is unarmed and under your control.

According to you the targets all have Constitutional rights.

Well all human beings have human rights. Not all human beings are protected by the US Constitutions intrinsic limits upon government power.

Rightwinger claimed they all have Constitutional rights. Then he claimed with can kill them with drones without giving them a trial.

LOL! She does the best she can... She simply lacks the minimal intellectual means required for freedom.

 

[boedicca]

Where are the indictments for war crimes?

Liberals prefer to kill the unborn or drop predator missiles on the innocent over water boarding, wow.

This is a "rape culture" equivalent. Just like "rapists" are not treated according to proper due process (instead they are assumed guilty via witchhunt campus fake tribunals), there won't be any indictments. The purpose is to promote the concept that the "accused" are guilty, and must prove themselves innocent in the court of public opinion. Given the strong leftwing control of the MSM, the proper narrative will be adhered to by enough media outlets that the Prog Base will be assuaged.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Iceweasel]

The libs sure do spend a lot of time gazing into the rear view mirror for forward thinking progressives.

 

[Vigilante]

The libs sure do spend a lot of time gazing into the rear view mirror for forward thinking progressives.

That's all they have now... even the brain dead left must finally realize that a majority of Americans.....

 

[Iceweasel]

The libs sure do spend a lot of time gazing into the rear view mirror for forward thinking progressives.

That's all they have now... even the brain dead left must finally realize that a majority of Americans.....

Bush and Reagan bashing only goes so far. The train has left the station long ago but they're still occupying the yards waving posters and chanting.

 

[Freewill]

Where are the indictments for war crimes?

Liberals prefer to kill the unborn or drop predator missiles on the innocent over water boarding, wow.

This is a "rape culture" equivalent. Just like "rapists" are not treated according to proper due process (instead they are assumed guilty via witchhunt campus fake tribunals), there won't be any indictments. The purpose is to promote the concept that the "accused" are guilty, and must prove themselves innocent in the court of public opinion. Given the strong leftwing control of the MSM, the proper narrative will be adhered to by enough media outlets that the Prog Base will be assuaged.

The truth, as I read it, is that the CIA has already been cleared of criminal wrong doing. Releasing this report is traitorous and those who are making hay on the report are traitors.

 

[Discombobulated]

"Terrorists invite us to join them in debauchery.....US takes the bait"

And unfortunately it's conservatives who for the most part advocate joining in the debauchery, motivated by their unwarranted fear and unwillingness to trust in the rule of law.

What rule of law? The rules you only make for us or is there some special law you are going to make that our enemies are supposed to adhere to?

How about you left wing idiots pass some stupid law that flying airplanes into our buildings and killing 3k people is against the law. Then we can make some stupid fucking law saying we won't treat their prisoners bad in any way and not stop the next attack.

Torture works when you have to deal with a bunch of lawless assholes out to kill your people. It's worked for centuries. It's why it's used. Your stupid fucking laws have never accomplished anything but putting yourself at a disadvantage in any war.

You're so shit ass fucking stupid you think laws will make war better? It's war shit stain. That pretty much meansd your stupid fucking laws don't apply.

You make a great recruiter for terrorists. Why are you so committed to giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Why do you hate America so much?

 

[Staidhup]

Again war crimes are only valid during time of war requiring disclosure and identification of apposing sides, terrorism is the spontaneous or planned act conduction by a minority to inflict pain suffering and death to force capitulation by the majority. Human rights violation, possibly, war crime no. Then again look who sits on the UN's human rights commission then laugh.

 

[Freewill]

"Terrorists invite us to join them in debauchery.....US takes the bait"

And unfortunately it's conservatives who for the most part advocate joining in the debauchery, motivated by their unwarranted fear and unwillingness to trust in the rule of law.

What rule of law? The rules you only make for us or is there some special law you are going to make that our enemies are supposed to adhere to?

How about you left wing idiots pass some stupid law that flying airplanes into our buildings and killing 3k people is against the law. Then we can make some stupid fucking law saying we won't treat their prisoners bad in any way and not stop the next attack.

Torture works when you have to deal with a bunch of lawless assholes out to kill your people. It's worked for centuries. It's why it's used. Your stupid fucking laws have never accomplished anything but putting yourself at a disadvantage in any war.

You're so shit ass fucking stupid you think laws will make war better? It's war shit stain. That pretty much meansd your stupid fucking laws don't apply.

You make a great recruiter for terrorists. Why are you so committed to giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Why do you hate America so much?

Of course, this is bad and the drone program under Obama is a good neighbor type program. Why do the liberals hate America?

 

[Camp]

Again war crimes are only valid during time of war requiring disclosure and identification of apposing sides, terrorism is the spontaneous or planned act conduction by a minority to inflict pain suffering and death to force capitulation by the majority. Human rights violation, possibly, war crime no. Then again look who sits on the UN's human rights commission then laugh.

Is that your opinion, or do you have a link to who is making up this definition of terrorism and war crimes?

 

[Discombobulated]

How we went to the Dark Side - The Week

America lost its collective mind. It was amid this mass hysteria that the Bush administration crossed a line that the U.S. had never before crossed, not even in fighting Hitler's Germany. In order to deliver us from evil, our intelligence agencies tortured people with a persistent, sadistic brutality that, we know now, left even CIA officers nauseated, shaking, and crying.

This is terrorism's sick genius. Terrorists invite us — seduce us — to share their Manichaean worldview, to respond to savagery with savagery, to join them in madness. "Make us safe!" Americans demanded. And so our elected leaders launched two wars, saw WMD where there were none, launched surveillance programs with virtually no limits, and embraced "enhanced interrogation." As justification, the White House and the CIA joined Machiavelli, Marx, and Stalin in insisting that the end justifies the means. Lots of individuals bear responsibility for the horrors detailed in the Senate committee’s torture report. But if we are honest, that journey to the Dark Side was a collective failure — and sobering evidence of how fragile our principles really are.

Except... out intelligence agencies didn't torture anyone.

As per the UN resolution on torture signed by Reagan......we did

More assertions utterly lacking proof.
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Your thread is an obvious troll thread attempt that has failed very very badly and reveals you as the shallow ignoramus I've come to know on these boards.

The people who say they believe torture is acceptable are obviously working with the terrorists. Why do you people hate Americans so much? Why do you want to help the terrorists? Do you like seeing more brave Americans getting killed because the stupidity of people like yourself?
Here's the result of torture......

 

[Discombobulated]

"Terrorists invite us to join them in debauchery.....US takes the bait"

And unfortunately it's conservatives who for the most part advocate joining in the debauchery, motivated by their unwarranted fear and unwillingness to trust in the rule of law.

What rule of law? The rules you only make for us or is there some special law you are going to make that our enemies are supposed to adhere to?

How about you left wing idiots pass some stupid law that flying airplanes into our buildings and killing 3k people is against the law. Then we can make some stupid fucking law saying we won't treat their prisoners bad in any way and not stop the next attack.

Torture works when you have to deal with a bunch of lawless assholes out to kill your people. It's worked for centuries. It's why it's used. Your stupid fucking laws have never accomplished anything but putting yourself at a disadvantage in any war.

You're so shit ass fucking stupid you think laws will make war better? It's war shit stain. That pretty much meansd your stupid fucking laws don't apply.

You make a great recruiter for terrorists. Why are you so committed to giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Why do you hate America so much?

Of course, this is bad and the drone program under Obama is a good neighbor type program. Why do the liberals hate America?

I can hardly wait to hear your explanation of what drones have to do with torture.

 

[Discombobulated]

Again war crimes are only valid during time of war requiring disclosure and identification of apposing sides, terrorism is the spontaneous or planned act conduction by a minority to inflict pain suffering and death to force capitulation by the majority. Human rights violation, possibly, war crime no. Then again look who sits on the UN's human rights commission then laugh.

Is that your opinion, or do you have a link to who is making up this definition of terrorism and war crimes?

He obviously just makes shit up as he goes along.

 

[Freewill]

"Terrorists invite us to join them in debauchery.....US takes the bait"

And unfortunately it's conservatives who for the most part advocate joining in the debauchery, motivated by their unwarranted fear and unwillingness to trust in the rule of law.

What rule of law? The rules you only make for us or is there some special law you are going to make that our enemies are supposed to adhere to?

How about you left wing idiots pass some stupid law that flying airplanes into our buildings and killing 3k people is against the law. Then we can make some stupid fucking law saying we won't treat their prisoners bad in any way and not stop the next attack.

Torture works when you have to deal with a bunch of lawless assholes out to kill your people. It's worked for centuries. It's why it's used. Your stupid fucking laws have never accomplished anything but putting yourself at a disadvantage in any war.

You're so shit ass fucking stupid you think laws will make war better? It's war shit stain. That pretty much meansd your stupid fucking laws don't apply.

You make a great recruiter for terrorists. Why are you so committed to giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Why do you hate America so much?

Of course, this is bad and the drone program under Obama is a good neighbor type program. Why do the liberals hate America?

I can hardly wait to hear your explanation of what drones have to do with torture.

Ahh, you said that torture was a recruiting tool what do you think killing innocents from a bunker in Nevada does for recruiting?