Testing Putin in Syria

[Sally]

It is interesting reading all the different opinions being put forth about Russia's participation in Syria.


Testing Putin in Syria
By Richard N. Haass
President, Council on Foreign Relations


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NEW YORK – There has been no shortage of scrutiny of what Russian President Vladimir Putin is up to in Syria and why. Much of the analysis, though, has been narrowly focused on the short term and may be too negative in assessing his actions’ likely long-term consequences.

What we know is that Putin has decided to come to the aid of Bashar al-Assad’s embattled regime. Russian bombs and missiles are now raining down on an array of armed groups that have been fighting Syrian government forces, which has given the regime the breathing space that Russia’s intervention was intended to provide.

As bad as the Assad government is, and as much as it has to answer for, this outcome is arguably preferable in the short run to the regime’s collapse. The painful truth in Syria today is that a government implosion would most likely lead to genocide, millions more displaced people, and the establishment of the Islamic State’s so-called caliphate in Damascus.

Continue reading at:

http://neurope.eu/article/testing-putin-in-syria

 

[Tehon]

The painful truth in Syria today is that a government implosion would most likely lead to genocide, millions more displaced people, and the establishment of the Islamic State’s so-called caliphate in Damascus.

And Putin is answering the test.

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

 

[Bleipriester]

It is interesting reading all the different opinions being put forth about Russia's participation in Syria.


Testing Putin in Syria
By Richard N. Haass
President, Council on Foreign Relations


+


NEW YORK – There has been no shortage of scrutiny of what Russian President Vladimir Putin is up to in Syria and why. Much of the analysis, though, has been narrowly focused on the short term and may be too negative in assessing his actions’ likely long-term consequences.

What we know is that Putin has decided to come to the aid of Bashar al-Assad’s embattled regime. Russian bombs and missiles are now raining down on an array of armed groups that have been fighting Syrian government forces, which has given the regime the breathing space that Russia’s intervention was intended to provide.

As bad as the Assad government is, and as much as it has to answer for, this outcome is arguably preferable in the short run to the regime’s collapse. The painful truth in Syria today is that a government implosion would most likely lead to genocide, millions more displaced people, and the establishment of the Islamic State’s so-called caliphate in Damascus.

Continue reading at:

http://neurope.eu/article/testing-putin-in-syria

Wow. ISIS-Sally is trying to get rid of her ugly prefix. A step, I would never have expected.

 

[Tehon]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

 

[Bleipriester]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

Yes, he is. We see, fighting terrorism is not honorable in the western world nowadays but nevertheless he does.

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

Yes, he is. We see, fighting terrorism is not honorable in the western world nowadays but nevertheless he does.

I noticed I put not there for power in my other comment...........Need more coffee this morning.............he is there for power and control of the region.

He is there to protect his interests and his proxy................which will include ISIS............I have no problem with that...............If they later turn towards Israel.......................

Then I have a problem with that..............................Bibbi is really nervous with what is going on there.............even though some are saying they are cooperating.......................he is worried that his nation will have to go to War again after this mess is settled.................

Will Syria join Iran and their proxies later to fight Israel??????????? If so, the cage match will be small to what will come of that.................Of course with Obama in office.........Israel can't expect our support.................

 

[Tehon]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

Putin's necessity to intervene stems from his belief that if an Islamic caliphate takes hold in that region it eventually finds it's way to his borders in some form or other. There is no evidence to support your belief that he intends to use current events as a way to dominate the region.

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

Putin's necessity to intervene stems from his belief that if an Islamic caliphate takes hold in that region it eventually finds it's way to his borders in some form or other. There is no evidence to support your belief that he intends to use current events as a way to dominate the region.

Geo politics............not military dominance.......

 

[Tehon]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

Putin's necessity to intervene stems from his belief that if an Islamic caliphate takes hold in that region it eventually finds it's way to his borders in some form or other. There is no evidence to support your belief that he intends to use current events as a way to dominate the region.

Geo politics............not military dominance.......

Judging by US standards they kind of go hand in hand.

 

[Bleipriester]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

Yes, he is. We see, fighting terrorism is not honorable in the western world nowadays but nevertheless he does.

I noticed I put not there for power in my other comment...........Need more coffee this morning.............he is there for power and control of the region.

He is there to protect his interests and his proxy................which will include ISIS............I have no problem with that...............If they later turn towards Israel.......................

Then I have a problem with that..............................Bibbi is really nervous with what is going on there.............even though some are saying they are cooperating.......................he is worried that his nation will have to go to War again after this mess is settled.................

Will Syria join Iran and their proxies later to fight Israel??????????? If so, the cage match will be small to what will come of that.................Of course with Obama in office.........Israel can't expect our support.................

Israel´s (Bibi´s) worries aren´t justified. While Syria has good reasons to fight back in return for al-Nusra and FSA, it is very unlikely to happen. The Syrian-Israeli border has been the Israel´s most peaceful border for 40 years and the Israeli people doesn´t support Israel´s support for the "opposition". Therefore, Syria is just too bethought to launch such a senseless and dangerous war.

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin is there to destroy the coalition against Assad first.............and ISIS later................

He is there to protect his interests there and prevent the Quatar pipeline from being built to maintain his oil and gas to Europe.........
The other powers at play want the opposite...................which is why they have half assing the attacks against ISIS..........They want Assad gone, but in the end there the crazier Islamist groups would take control.

Assad, WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORT, is the only one capable of holding the place later.................This is gonna happen with Russia entering the scene..........The only question is will they stabilize the region or turn their guns on Israel.

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

Yes, he is. We see, fighting terrorism is not honorable in the western world nowadays but nevertheless he does.

I noticed I put not there for power in my other comment...........Need more coffee this morning.............he is there for power and control of the region.

He is there to protect his interests and his proxy................which will include ISIS............I have no problem with that...............If they later turn towards Israel.......................

Then I have a problem with that..............................Bibbi is really nervous with what is going on there.............even though some are saying they are cooperating.......................he is worried that his nation will have to go to War again after this mess is settled.................

Will Syria join Iran and their proxies later to fight Israel??????????? If so, the cage match will be small to what will come of that.................Of course with Obama in office.........Israel can't expect our support.................

Israel´s (Bibi´s) worries aren´t justified. While Syria has good reasons to fight back in return for al-Nusra and FSA, it is very unlikely to happen. The Syrian-Israeli border has been the Israel´s most peaceful border for 40 years and the Israeli people doesn´t support Israel´s support for the "opposition". Therefore, Syria is just too bethought to launch such a senseless and dangerous war.

Syria can't hold it's own country now, let alone take on Israel.................They are not the ones to worry about...............it is the alliance with Iran and their proxies with more Russian arms that concerns me and them......................

Hell even the leader of Turkey wants a Caliphate to take on Israel.........Doesn't mean he has the support of his people but he has openly stated as much...............

The best we can hope for.........is that ISIS gets destroyed.............Syria gets stabilized.......and they stabilize the region without the threat of a War with Israel, which Iran preaches all the time.....................Russia will arm the region, with their arms again.......including Iran.........as they are in alliance with them to thwart the West in the region.............................will this alliance trade off in an another attempt to kill Israel..............that is yet to be seen.....................

ISIS is in it's death throws with the change on the battlefield................They will be minimized via Russian support. Russia is there to kill the FSA and our proxies first and then take back Syria after............................which will probably succeed.....................

After...........who knows................the ex-KGB spy.............who knows........................he's not there for humanity............he's there for power and removal of Western influence.........and to ensure his interests are not impeded.............which would include stopping the competition of oil via a new pipeline.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[Bleipriester]

Propping up Assad is the most effective way of combating ISIS on the ground in Syria in the long run.

The moral failure of the West has created the situation by which Putin feels he needs to intervene. I say good luck to him and let the chips, geostrategically speaking, fall where they may.

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

Yes, he is. We see, fighting terrorism is not honorable in the western world nowadays but nevertheless he does.

I noticed I put not there for power in my other comment...........Need more coffee this morning.............he is there for power and control of the region.

He is there to protect his interests and his proxy................which will include ISIS............I have no problem with that...............If they later turn towards Israel.......................

Then I have a problem with that..............................Bibbi is really nervous with what is going on there.............even though some are saying they are cooperating.......................he is worried that his nation will have to go to War again after this mess is settled.................

Will Syria join Iran and their proxies later to fight Israel??????????? If so, the cage match will be small to what will come of that.................Of course with Obama in office.........Israel can't expect our support.................

Israel´s (Bibi´s) worries aren´t justified. While Syria has good reasons to fight back in return for al-Nusra and FSA, it is very unlikely to happen. The Syrian-Israeli border has been the Israel´s most peaceful border for 40 years and the Israeli people doesn´t support Israel´s support for the "opposition". Therefore, Syria is just too bethought to launch such a senseless and dangerous war.

Syria can't hold it's own country now, let alone take on Israel.................They are not the ones to worry about...............it is the alliance with Iran and their proxies with more Russian arms that concerns me and them......................

Hell even the leader of Turkey wants a Caliphate to take on Israel.........Doesn't mean he has the support of his people but he has openly stated as much...............

The best we can hope for.........is that ISIS gets destroyed.............Syria gets stabilized.......and they stabilize the region without the threat of a War with Israel, which Iran preaches all the time.....................Russia will arm the region, with their arms again.......including Iran.........as they are in alliance with them to thwart the West in the region.............................will this alliance trade off in an another attempt to kill Israel..............that is yet to be seen.....................

ISIS is in it's death throws with the change on the battlefield................They will be minimized via Russian support. Russia is there to kill the FSA and our proxies first and then take back Syria after............................which will probably succeed.....................

After...........who knows................the ex-KGB spy.............who knows........................he's not there for humanity............he's there for power and removal of Western influence.........and to ensure his interests are not impeded.............which would include stopping the competition of oil via a new pipeline.

Deep worries of the Israelis are directed at the "opposition", not the Syrian government. Please read:
Israel prepares for end of 40 year peace at Syrian border | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[eagle1462010]

The sooner ISIS is killed the better............but they are not the only Mad hatters in the region..............Seems all the lunatics of the region have gone to the desert in the Syrian Cage match.......................

Syria is his proxy anyway..........he wants dominance there in the Geopolitical spectrum.................ENJOY................He is not there for power.......not to save the day for humanitarian reasons.

Yes, he is. We see, fighting terrorism is not honorable in the western world nowadays but nevertheless he does.

I noticed I put not there for power in my other comment...........Need more coffee this morning.............he is there for power and control of the region.

He is there to protect his interests and his proxy................which will include ISIS............I have no problem with that...............If they later turn towards Israel.......................

Then I have a problem with that..............................Bibbi is really nervous with what is going on there.............even though some are saying they are cooperating.......................he is worried that his nation will have to go to War again after this mess is settled.................

Will Syria join Iran and their proxies later to fight Israel??????????? If so, the cage match will be small to what will come of that.................Of course with Obama in office.........Israel can't expect our support.................

Israel´s (Bibi´s) worries aren´t justified. While Syria has good reasons to fight back in return for al-Nusra and FSA, it is very unlikely to happen. The Syrian-Israeli border has been the Israel´s most peaceful border for 40 years and the Israeli people doesn´t support Israel´s support for the "opposition". Therefore, Syria is just too bethought to launch such a senseless and dangerous war.

Syria can't hold it's own country now, let alone take on Israel.................They are not the ones to worry about...............it is the alliance with Iran and their proxies with more Russian arms that concerns me and them......................

Hell even the leader of Turkey wants a Caliphate to take on Israel.........Doesn't mean he has the support of his people but he has openly stated as much...............

The best we can hope for.........is that ISIS gets destroyed.............Syria gets stabilized.......and they stabilize the region without the threat of a War with Israel, which Iran preaches all the time.....................Russia will arm the region, with their arms again.......including Iran.........as they are in alliance with them to thwart the West in the region.............................will this alliance trade off in an another attempt to kill Israel..............that is yet to be seen.....................

ISIS is in it's death throws with the change on the battlefield................They will be minimized via Russian support. Russia is there to kill the FSA and our proxies first and then take back Syria after............................which will probably succeed.....................

After...........who knows................the ex-KGB spy.............who knows........................he's not there for humanity............he's there for power and removal of Western influence.........and to ensure his interests are not impeded.............which would include stopping the competition of oil via a new pipeline.

Deep worries of the Israelis are directed at the "opposition", not the Syrian government. Please read:
Israel prepares for end of 40 year peace at Syrian border | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

A peace forced via the War..................which Syria lost back then......................and the taking and arming of the key strategic point of the Golan heights.................

The peace with Egypt was via the force of arms back then as well.......................

At the end of the last War, Israel was at the outskirts of Damascus when Syria surrendered..................

Syria is insignificant against Israel....................the other players at hand are the ones that might force another fight................

 

[Tehon]

It is necessary for some people to contrive scenarios that help them justify in their own minds their own immoral beliefs. But there is no justification for US support of terrorism in the ME. Putin's efforts are indeed humanitarian.

 

[Bleipriester]

Yes, he is. We see, fighting terrorism is not honorable in the western world nowadays but nevertheless he does.

I noticed I put not there for power in my other comment...........Need more coffee this morning.............he is there for power and control of the region.

He is there to protect his interests and his proxy................which will include ISIS............I have no problem with that...............If they later turn towards Israel.......................

Then I have a problem with that..............................Bibbi is really nervous with what is going on there.............even though some are saying they are cooperating.......................he is worried that his nation will have to go to War again after this mess is settled.................

Will Syria join Iran and their proxies later to fight Israel??????????? If so, the cage match will be small to what will come of that.................Of course with Obama in office.........Israel can't expect our support.................

Israel´s (Bibi´s) worries aren´t justified. While Syria has good reasons to fight back in return for al-Nusra and FSA, it is very unlikely to happen. The Syrian-Israeli border has been the Israel´s most peaceful border for 40 years and the Israeli people doesn´t support Israel´s support for the "opposition". Therefore, Syria is just too bethought to launch such a senseless and dangerous war.

Syria can't hold it's own country now, let alone take on Israel.................They are not the ones to worry about...............it is the alliance with Iran and their proxies with more Russian arms that concerns me and them......................

Hell even the leader of Turkey wants a Caliphate to take on Israel.........Doesn't mean he has the support of his people but he has openly stated as much...............

The best we can hope for.........is that ISIS gets destroyed.............Syria gets stabilized.......and they stabilize the region without the threat of a War with Israel, which Iran preaches all the time.....................Russia will arm the region, with their arms again.......including Iran.........as they are in alliance with them to thwart the West in the region.............................will this alliance trade off in an another attempt to kill Israel..............that is yet to be seen.....................

ISIS is in it's death throws with the change on the battlefield................They will be minimized via Russian support. Russia is there to kill the FSA and our proxies first and then take back Syria after............................which will probably succeed.....................

After...........who knows................the ex-KGB spy.............who knows........................he's not there for humanity............he's there for power and removal of Western influence.........and to ensure his interests are not impeded.............which would include stopping the competition of oil via a new pipeline.

Deep worries of the Israelis are directed at the "opposition", not the Syrian government. Please read:
Israel prepares for end of 40 year peace at Syrian border | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

A peace forced via the War..................which Syria lost back then......................and the taking and arming of the key strategic point of the Golan heights.................

The peace with Egypt was via the force of arms back then as well.......................

At the end of the last War, Israel was at the outskirts of Damascus when Syria surrendered..................

Syria is insignificant against Israel....................the other players at hand are the ones that might force another fight................

I don´t think there was a surrender.

 

[eagle1462010]

It is necessary for some people to contrive scenarios that help them justify in their own minds their own immoral beliefs. But there is no justification for US support of terrorism in the ME. Putin's efforts are indeed humanitarian.

I have no problem with him taking out ISIS.............but spare me he's doing it for Humanitarian reasons alone.....................

I didn't just fall off a turnip truck....................

The destruction of ISIS is a good thing.................Have at it................just don't bitch when the collateral damage hits..........Putin doesn't give a rats ass about that............which is why he is using the lower grade bombs and clusters in the attacks.....................I said that is how to deal with it a long time ago.............

but Obama has a different agenda............to take out Assad..................by arming a bunch of thugs..............We are wrong there............Russia is doing the right thing, but don't be fooled to believe they showed up for humanitarian interests..................He's savings his proxies ass.................

 

[eagle1462010]

I noticed I put not there for power in my other comment...........Need more coffee this morning.............he is there for power and control of the region.

He is there to protect his interests and his proxy................which will include ISIS............I have no problem with that...............If they later turn towards Israel.......................

Then I have a problem with that..............................Bibbi is really nervous with what is going on there.............even though some are saying they are cooperating.......................he is worried that his nation will have to go to War again after this mess is settled.................

Will Syria join Iran and their proxies later to fight Israel??????????? If so, the cage match will be small to what will come of that.................Of course with Obama in office.........Israel can't expect our support.................

Israel´s (Bibi´s) worries aren´t justified. While Syria has good reasons to fight back in return for al-Nusra and FSA, it is very unlikely to happen. The Syrian-Israeli border has been the Israel´s most peaceful border for 40 years and the Israeli people doesn´t support Israel´s support for the "opposition". Therefore, Syria is just too bethought to launch such a senseless and dangerous war.

Syria can't hold it's own country now, let alone take on Israel.................They are not the ones to worry about...............it is the alliance with Iran and their proxies with more Russian arms that concerns me and them......................

Hell even the leader of Turkey wants a Caliphate to take on Israel.........Doesn't mean he has the support of his people but he has openly stated as much...............

The best we can hope for.........is that ISIS gets destroyed.............Syria gets stabilized.......and they stabilize the region without the threat of a War with Israel, which Iran preaches all the time.....................Russia will arm the region, with their arms again.......including Iran.........as they are in alliance with them to thwart the West in the region.............................will this alliance trade off in an another attempt to kill Israel..............that is yet to be seen.....................

ISIS is in it's death throws with the change on the battlefield................They will be minimized via Russian support. Russia is there to kill the FSA and our proxies first and then take back Syria after............................which will probably succeed.....................

After...........who knows................the ex-KGB spy.............who knows........................he's not there for humanity............he's there for power and removal of Western influence.........and to ensure his interests are not impeded.............which would include stopping the competition of oil via a new pipeline.

Deep worries of the Israelis are directed at the "opposition", not the Syrian government. Please read:
Israel prepares for end of 40 year peace at Syrian border | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

A peace forced via the War..................which Syria lost back then......................and the taking and arming of the key strategic point of the Golan heights.................

The peace with Egypt was via the force of arms back then as well.......................

At the end of the last War, Israel was at the outskirts of Damascus when Syria surrendered..................

Syria is insignificant against Israel....................the other players at hand are the ones that might force another fight................

I don´t think there was a surrender.

I thought there was..........

Seems no...............Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Syrians prepared for a massive counteroffensive to drive Israeli forces out of Syria, scheduled for October 23. A total of five Syrian divisions were to take part, alongside the Iraqi and Jordanian expeditionary forces. The Soviets had replaced most of the losses Syria's tank forces had suffered during the first weeks of the war.

However, the day before the offensive was to begin, the United Nations imposed its ceasefire (following the acquiescence of both Israel and Egypt). Abraham Rabinovich claimed that "The acceptance by Egypt of the cease-fire on Monday [October 22] created a major dilemma for Assad. The cease-fire did not bind him, but its implications could not be ignored. Some on the Syrian General Staff favored going ahead with the attack, arguing that if it did so Egypt would feel obliged to continue fighting as well.... Others, however, argued that continuation of the war would legitimize Israel's efforts to destroy the Egyptian Third Army. In that case, Egypt would not come to Syria's assistance when Israel turned its full might northward, destroying Syria's infrastructure and perhaps attacking Damascus".[39]

Ultimately, Syrian President Hafez al-Assad decided to cancel the offensive. On October 23, the day the offensive was to begin, Syria announced that it had accepted the ceasefire, and ordered its troops to cease-fire, while the Iraqi government ordered its forces home.

Following the UN ceasefire, there were constant artillery exchanges and skirmishes, and Israeli forces continued to occupy positions deep within Syria. According to Syrian Foreign Minister Abdel Halim Khaddam, Syria's constant artillery attacks were "part of a deliberate war of attrition designed to paralyse the Israeli economy", and were intended to pressure Israel into yielding the occupied territory.[251] Some aerial engagements took place, and both sides lost several aircraft. In spring 1974, the Syrians attempted to retake the summit of Mount Hermon. The fighting lasted for more than a month and saw heavy losses on both sides, but the Israelis held their positions.[226]The situation continued until a May 1974 disengagement agreement.