Texans To Become Lab Rats for "Good Guy with a Gun" Theory

[M14 Shooter]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.
I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

What a dumbass.
OH ans several other states have had unlicensed open carry for decades.
Never an issue.

 

[2aguy]

Texas will hardly be a lab experiment. More like joining the majority of states with open carry options. Sheesh.

Map: Where Is ‘Open Carry’ Legal?




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I will have to steal that map...thanks......

 

[Iceweasel]

"But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed."

And this could be problematic, to say the least.

If a biz bans open carry just conceal it. It's hilarious people are next to people carrying all the time and have no clue

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

This is an open carry state and we have no problems. I don't know of a state where it is a problem. What's with your never ending dire warnings and hysteria?

Read the tag line, and if you are seeing hysteria, then don't even bother to read the rest.

Your posts are filled with shock and awe. But I knew you couldn't answer my challenge.

 

[westwall]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Good guys with guns have been lowering the crime rate in all of those counties that have shall issue CCW laws. Nevada (the State that I live in) has had open carry laws FOREVER. Guess what the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed.

The stories of a civilian shooting a predator or suspect in the act of committing a crime are few and far between. Very rare. Hen's teeth.

No, they're actually not. You basically have to close your eyes to the reports to believe that particular bit of nonsense.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Do you have a point?
One small restaurant chain has decided to not allow open carry. So fucking what?
What are you going to claim when the Texas open carry law passes and the gun murder rate committed by legal gun owners goes down or doesn't change?
Open Carry doesn't affect normal sane legal gun owners.

Just takes one abnormal, insane legal gun owner in a public place to ruin many, many lives.

I think it's a bad idea, and I know many gun-owning Houstonians who think it's a bad idea, too.

Do you understand how dumb your this post is.......the abnormal, insane killer.....is already shooting up places despite the gun free zone laws....the only people who can't carry guns in many public places are the ones not shooting people.........

An abnormal, insane person is going to ruin lives no matter what law you make.......especially if you make a place a gun free zone.....

My post is from the front page of the Wall Street Journal, a very conservative, right wing rag.

Houston is going to be the third largest city in the U.S. within another couple of years, and I am going to be living there myself by the middle of next year. My sig other carries three guns in his vehicle: glove, console and hidden area inside the dash that is accessed by pushing a button over his visor. And he's against open carry after living in Houston all his life. Ergo the WSJ's interest in this topic: Houston already has a high crime rate and everybody there has at least one gun on them.

 

[Iceweasel]

The stories of a civilian shooting a predator or suspect in the act of committing a crime are few and far between. Very rare. Hen's teeth.

Sometimes the life they save is their own. I'm sure than means more to them than some random panic monger on the internet.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Good guys with guns have been lowering the crime rate in all of those counties that have shall issue CCW laws. Nevada (the State that I live in) has had open carry laws FOREVER. Guess what the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed.

The stories of a civilian shooting a predator or suspect in the act of committing a crime are few and far between. Very rare. Hen's teeth.

No, they're actually not. You basically have to close your eyes to the reports to believe that particular bit of nonsense.

Why don't you just post a few dozen? My eyes are wide open to all kinds of media: major newspapers, periodicals, radio, television, internet. If these things occurred righties would be posting them on this board every day.

 

[2aguy]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Do you have a point?
One small restaurant chain has decided to not allow open carry. So fucking what?
What are you going to claim when the Texas open carry law passes and the gun murder rate committed by legal gun owners goes down or doesn't change?
Open Carry doesn't affect normal sane legal gun owners.

Just takes one abnormal, insane legal gun owner in a public place to ruin many, many lives.

I think it's a bad idea, and I know many gun-owning Houstonians who think it's a bad idea, too.

Do you understand how dumb your this post is.......the abnormal, insane killer.....is already shooting up places despite the gun free zone laws....the only people who can't carry guns in many public places are the ones not shooting people.........

An abnormal, insane person is going to ruin lives no matter what law you make.......especially if you make a place a gun free zone.....

My post is from the front page of the Wall Street Journal, a very conservative, right wing rag.

Houston is going to be the third largest city in the U.S. within another couple of years, and I am going to be living there myself by the middle of next year. My sig other carries three guns in his vehicle: glove, console and hidden area inside the dash that is accessed by pushing a button over his visor. And he's against open carry after living in Houston all his life. Ergo the WSJ's interest in this topic.

You do realize how dumb it is to keep your gun in a car without a car safe..right.....if some thug breaks into your car they can your guns.........don't let the anti gunners know...you are the ones giving them their ammo to attack gun owners.......

 

[2aguy]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Good guys with guns have been lowering the crime rate in all of those counties that have shall issue CCW laws. Nevada (the State that I live in) has had open carry laws FOREVER. Guess what the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed.

The stories of a civilian shooting a predator or suspect in the act of committing a crime are few and far between. Very rare. Hen's teeth.

No, they're actually not. You basically have to close your eyes to the reports to believe that particular bit of nonsense.

Why don't you just post a few dozen? My eyes are wide open to all kinds of media: major newspapers, periodicals, radio, television, internet. If these things occurred righties would be posting them on this board every day.

you do realize that when they do happen, there is less loss of life and therefore even less reason for the anti gun media to post them nationally.........I post them when I see them specifically for this reason........

 

[2aguy]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Good guys with guns have been lowering the crime rate in all of those counties that have shall issue CCW laws. Nevada (the State that I live in) has had open carry laws FOREVER. Guess what the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed.

The stories of a civilian shooting a predator or suspect in the act of committing a crime are few and far between. Very rare. Hen's teeth.

No, they're actually not. You basically have to close your eyes to the reports to believe that particular bit of nonsense.

Why don't you just post a few dozen? My eyes are wide open to all kinds of media: major newspapers, periodicals, radio, television, internet. If these things occurred righties would be posting them on this board every day.

Here....three...compared to gun free zones shootings...I'll get more....

Some details to help you make your guess....

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
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No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)


Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership

The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.

“No guns [were] allowed in the temple,” Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. “Everyone knows that it’s not allowed, anywhere in the temple.”

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Texas will hardly be a lab experiment. More like joining the majority of states with open carry options. Sheesh.

Map: Where Is ‘Open Carry’ Legal?




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Open carry states have varying exceptions and rules. For instance, looks like PA is open carry but Philadelphia is not.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I agree that law-abiding citizens should be able to carry openly if they so choose, but I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone one would want to.

If a perp walks into a business looking to commit a crime, he'll likely shoot you even before he makes the announcement.

 

[2aguy]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Good guys with guns have been lowering the crime rate in all of those counties that have shall issue CCW laws. Nevada (the State that I live in) has had open carry laws FOREVER. Guess what the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed.

The stories of a civilian shooting a predator or suspect in the act of committing a crime are few and far between. Very rare. Hen's teeth.

No, they're actually not. You basically have to close your eyes to the reports to believe that particular bit of nonsense.

Why don't you just post a few dozen? My eyes are wide open to all kinds of media: major newspapers, periodicals, radio, television, internet. If these things occurred righties would be posting them on this board every day.

You do realize that most of the time....the gun owner doesn't have to shoot the criminal, they run away or surrender...

Here you go.....these don't make national headlines because no bodies hit the ground...

Burglars call 911 on themselves as homeowner holds them at gunpoint

A pair of men who were breaking into a Woodland, Washington, home Monday night got quite a scare when the owner of the house caught them redhanded.

Bill Lahti was surprised to find his home had been burglarized last week, partly because the home, which belonged to Lahti’s great-grandparents years ago and was handed down to him, isn’t exactly in an easy to get to location. The rural property has been dubbed by the Lahti family as “the hill,” and given the home’s history, Lahti was especially appalled at the break-in.

“I kept coming back periodically to check in,” Lahti told KATU. “So, Monday night, I roll up and there’s their truck backed up to the front door in the yard. (The) door was about – probably – four inches open. I could see the light through there. So, I came out there, jumped out of my truck, kicked the door open and there they were.”

Lahti told the two men to get down on their knees as he held them at gunpoint. He was going to call the police on them, but Lahti couldn’t get his phone to work. With his gun still trained on them, he instructed the crooks to make the call themselves. With few options, the suspects complied.

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Concealed Carrier Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With Her FNX .45

CLEVELAND, TENNESSEE — A woman successfully subdued a would-be burglar outside her home using her FNX .45. The suspect, James Jeffrey Dunn, was allegedly trying to break in through her front door late at night. She got her handgun and confronted the burglar, according to WRCB. Once at the doorway, she yelled through the door for him to stay put and not move. Moments later, she confronted him head-on — handgun drawn and ready to go.

via WRCB

“I tried to order him to stay right where he was at and I pointed the gun at him and I came running off the porch and I came within 10 feet of him and he laid the bicycle down and he crumpled on top of the bicycle,” she says.

She held him at gunpoint until Cleveland Police arrived and arrested Dunn, 35, on charges of aggravated burglary, theft, and burglary of a motor vehicle. Police note that Dunn had an arrest sheet tallying over 40 charges — the most recent being only 6 hours prior to his attempted burglary of this concealed carrier.

“We went over this when we got my concealed carry permit, these types of scenarios. But I had already put that gun up and ever taken it out since, you know?” she says. “Maybe to go the range once.”

When we talk about the new generation of concealed carriers, let’s take a good long look at the realities these people are facing: hardened, career criminals unafraid to bust through the door or do damage to private property and persons. It’s a good thing this woman had the proper training she needed and the right equipment.


Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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NRA-ILA | Armed homeowner scares off attacker, KTVA, Anchorage, Alaska 11/13/15

A homeowner was in their house in Anchorage, Alaska when they heard a knock at the door. The homeowner retrieved a gun and went to answer the door. Upon opening the door, an intruder pepper-sprayed the homeowner, prompting the homeowner to fire at the criminal. The attacker fled the scene. (KTVA, Anchorage, Alaska 11/13/15)

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NRA-ILA | Elderly couple fights off real monsters on Halloween, Helena-Arkansas.com, Helena, Ark. 11/01/15

An elderly couple were at home Halloween night, when the doorbell rang. Prepared to hand out candy to trick-or-treaters, the wife opened the door to find four armed robbers, at least two of whom were armed with guns.

The robbers forced their way inside the home, where the husband was sitting in a recliner. Upon learning of the home invasion, the husband retrieved a gun and fired at the criminals, prompting the home invaders to flee. (Helena-Arkansas.com, Helena, Ark. 11/01/15)

 

[il Tupe]

Politicians from Texas are barred from sane thinking about guns. Even the Christians are gunslingers.

 

[2aguy]

R

I agree that law-abiding citizens should be able to carry openly if they so choose, but I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone one would want to.

If a perp walks into a business looking to commit a crime, he'll likely shoot you even before he makes the announcement.

Well...a few reasons......you can carry a larger capacity weapon......or just a bigger gun which is easier for women to shoot over a small .38 snubby........


And as has already been Pointed out, the open carry law keeps you from getting jammed up by the cops for your gun.

Also, by carrying in the open every once in a while...you help the cause...you show people that gun carrying normal people are not a threat....especially if you are stuck in line at the grocery store the same way they are and you aren't spraying everyone with bullets.....

 

[2aguy]

Texas will hardly be a lab experiment. More like joining the majority of states with open carry options. Sheesh.

Map: Where Is ‘Open Carry’ Legal?




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Open carry states have varying exceptions and rules. For instance, looks like PA is open carry but Philadelphia is not.

You do realize that Philly is one of the most dangerous cities in the country........with their stricter gun control...right?

 

[westwall]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Good guys with guns have been lowering the crime rate in all of those counties that have shall issue CCW laws. Nevada (the State that I live in) has had open carry laws FOREVER. Guess what the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed.

The stories of a civilian shooting a predator or suspect in the act of committing a crime are few and far between. Very rare. Hen's teeth.

No, they're actually not. You basically have to close your eyes to the reports to believe that particular bit of nonsense.

Why don't you just post a few dozen? My eyes are wide open to all kinds of media: major newspapers, periodicals, radio, television, internet. If these things occurred righties would be posting them on this board every day.

No problem. Keep checking back for updates. I am playing with my daughter right now so she has priority.... Just sayin...

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

"But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed."

And this could be problematic, to say the least.

If a biz bans open carry just conceal it. It's hilarious people are next to people carrying all the time and have no clue

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

This is an open carry state and we have no problems. I don't know of a state where it is a problem. What's with your never ending dire warnings and hysteria?

Read the tag line, and if you are seeing hysteria, then don't even bother to read the rest.

Your posts are filled with shock and awe. But I knew you couldn't answer my challenge.

Since you don't say where you live, you haven't posed one. But I would suggest understanding the exact wording of the law.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Texas will hardly be a lab experiment. More like joining the majority of states with open carry options. Sheesh.

Map: Where Is ‘Open Carry’ Legal?




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Again, the actual statutes for OC vary and are restricted to specific circumstances. This map is misleading, as I have already pointed out.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

You know...you guys always predicted more violence if you let normal, law abiding gun owners carry their guns....the people who do not commit crimes or use their guns to shoot people....

And every, single, time....you are wrong.....

Texas isn't the first place to do this genius.....they Did it in Virginia...in bars, that serve alcohol...and you nutters said the same freaking things....

And what happened.......violence in bars in Virginia dropped......

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”


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Looks like Virginia is a'changin' its ways. The current laws aren't working out. Sorry, Sparky.


Virginia to void CCW reciprocity agreements with 25 states
Virginia to void CCW reciprocity agreements with 25 states

Effective Feb. 1, 2016, the Commonwealth of Virginia will no longer recognize concealed carry permits from half the states in the country.
The state currently has either agreements or defacto recognition with 30 other states to honor permits issued to individuals. After review by Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring and with agreement with the state police, this number will shrink to just five states as originally reported by the Washington Post.