Texas Electric Bills Were $28 Billion Higher Under Deregulation

[DudleySmith]

A bit off topic. but Chairman Biden, aka Mr. Green New Deal, sent Texas a bunch of new generators ... all of them diesel powered .... hilarious stuff.

It’s a fucking emergency you moron

Seriously.

They don't have power.

Biden sent them generators for power.

Now they complain.

They would have complained if Biden had not sent help.

lol sent who generators? Nobody I know has seen one.

Seriously, we know you vermin don't actually give a shit, it's just dumbass crap you're told to spew on the inernetz.

 

[Dekster]

No they were not running at 100% of sunny warm day capacity. Texas infrastructure is built to work on 110° not 10° days. That is true of all their utilities, including water gas and electric. The rolling black outs were necessary to keep the grid stabilized. They had to shed demand on the grid in order to keep the people who were producing from tripping into automatic shutdowns. All modern grids have points at which they will trip off. If there is too much supply, they trip generation off to keep things from melting if the excess cannot be routed somewhere else (happens in Germany where they have to pay people to take electricity off the grid). When there is too little supply to meet demand, they ether have to create the rolling blackouts or risk having the safety system shut everything down to protect you from your dishwasher, microwave, etc from burning your house down when their pretty digital control panels short circuit from erratic power flow.

That's not what they are claiming. They are claiming they could have given the electricity without the rolling black outs, they just could not do it under current regulations.

Texas’ Power Grid Was 4 Minutes And 37 Seconds Away From Collapsing. Here’s How It Happened | Houston Public Media

A cascading series of events could have left Texas in the dark for weeks — if not more.

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

And just for a fun fact, with so many electronics now using the grid to set their internal times, grid operators jockey with that frequency to speed up or slow down electronic clocks to recalibrate them after the grid strays from 60Hz for any appreciable amount of time.

 

[Shelzin]

And just for a fun fact, with so many electronics now using the grid to set their internal times, grid operators jockey with that frequency to speed up or slow down electronic clocks to recalibrate them after the grid strays from 60Hz for any appreciable amount of time.

*laughs*

I've wondered... lol

 

[Dekster]

And just for a fun fact, with so many electronics now using the grid to set their internal times, grid operators jockey with that frequency to speed up or slow down electronic clocks to recalibrate them after the grid strays from 60Hz for any appreciable amount of time.

*laughs*

I've wondered... lol

Electronics that do this are designed to advance 1 second for every 60Hz. If the grid drops below 60Hz the clocks fall behind; if it goes above 60, the clocks are fast. They try to average them out over a period of time to be 60Hz so your cellphone and the like doesn't become too noticeably off. It is actually somebody's job to do this. Most of the time if the frequency of a grid isn't within 60hz +/- 0.05 hz it is because the time nazi is doing their thing.

 

[OKTexas]

Consumers were offered wonderful rates. I got calls all the time. How can you say no?

But in the fine print there is a catch. You have to pay market rates for energy. If there is a crisis, you have to pay up.

Not true, in TX unless you're stupid enough to go with a company who's rate is tied to market rates. One such company sold for one cent over wholesale, not such a good deal when the wholesale costs skyrocket. My rates remained flat.

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[rac123]

A bit off topic. but Chairman Biden, aka Mr. Green New Deal, sent Texas a bunch of new generators ... all of them diesel powered .... hilarious stuff.

It’s a fucking emergency you moron

Seriously.

They don't have power.

Biden sent them generators for power.

Now they complain.

They would have complained if Biden had not sent help.

lol sent who generators? Nobody I know has seen one.

Seriously, we know you vermin don't actually give a shit, it's just dumbass crap you're told to spew on the inernetz.

In a crisis we don’t always have at our disposal the equipment we might prefer to use so we use what we have. Wasn’t it Rumsfeld who said “we go to war with the army we have not the army we want.”
The same applies here . I’m sure a family in a darkened home appreciates those generators. I’m glad he sent them.

 

[Shelzin]

Electronics that do this are designed to advance 1 second for every 60Hz. If the grid drops below 60Hz the clocks fall behind; if it goes above 60, the clocks are fast. They try to average them out over a period of time to be 60Hz so your cellphone and the like doesn't become too noticeably off. It is actually somebody's job to do this. Most of the time if the frequency of a grid isn't within 60hz +/- 0.05 hz it is because the time nazi is doing their thing.

Yeah... I know the very fundamentals of it... I never really thought anyone would screw with it though, just never crossed my mind... I mean... That's something I would do if I had the ability and knowhow... That's what makes it so damn interesting. Thanks for that.

 

[OKTexas]

It was always just a scam; there aren't any more electric lines behind my house than there were 100 years ago for one, and 75% to 90% of the costs are in maintaining transmission lines, not power plants. Only idiots thought 'deregulation' was going to anything but triple the costs and cut services by 70%. Even at that it is still much beter service here than you get in California and New York city, where they lose power all the time, not just once in while during bad weather. I lost power at least once a month when I lived in the Bay Area; I kept a car battery on my patio so I could at least read and have lights on the patio to cook on the grill.

We loose electric a lot up here in the Maine woods/rural.....
How do you use a car battery to hook up lights? Do you attach something to it like an inverter or something? Then plug in to that....?

You can get 12v DC LED light strings and other type LED lights. They'll use less power than using an inverter.

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[OKTexas]

And just for a fun fact, with so many electronics now using the grid to set their internal times, grid operators jockey with that frequency to speed up or slow down electronic clocks to recalibrate them after the grid strays from 60Hz for any appreciable amount of time.

*laughs*

I've wondered... lol

Electronics that do this are designed to advance 1 second for every 60Hz. If the grid drops below 60Hz the clocks fall behind; if it goes above 60, the clocks are fast. They try to average them out over a period of time to be 60Hz so your cellphone and the like doesn't become too noticeably off. It is actually somebody's job to do this. Most of the time if the frequency of a grid isn't within 60hz +/- 0.05 hz it is because the time nazi is doing their thing.

I'm not saying you're full of shit or anything, but my wristwatch is tied to the atomic clock and updates itself every night. It's also powered by light, it's not plugged in, you'd think systems that require synchronization would have similar technology.

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[Dana7360]

A bit off topic. but Chairman Biden, aka Mr. Green New Deal, sent Texas a bunch of new generators ... all of them diesel powered .... hilarious stuff.

It’s a fucking emergency you moron

Seriously.

They don't have power.

Biden sent them generators for power.

Now they complain.

They would have complained if Biden had not sent help.

lol sent who generators? Nobody I know has seen one.

Seriously, we know you vermin don't actually give a shit, it's just dumbass crap you're told to spew on the inernetz.

In a crisis we don’t always have at our disposal the equipment we might prefer to use so we use what we have. Wasn’t it Rumsfeld who said “we go to war with the army we have not the army we want.”
The same applies here . I’m sure a family in a darkened home appreciates those generators. I’m glad he sent them.

The reality is they would whine if did or didn't send them.

No matter what Biden does they will condemn him and whine about it.

 

[OKTexas]

A bit off topic. but Chairman Biden, aka Mr. Green New Deal, sent Texas a bunch of new generators ... all of them diesel powered .... hilarious stuff.

It’s a fucking emergency you moron

Seriously.

They don't have power.

Biden sent them generators for power.

Now they complain.

They would have complained if Biden had not sent help.

lol sent who generators? Nobody I know has seen one.

Seriously, we know you vermin don't actually give a shit, it's just dumbass crap you're told to spew on the inernetz.

In a crisis we don’t always have at our disposal the equipment we might prefer to use so we use what we have. Wasn’t it Rumsfeld who said “we go to war with the army we have not the army we want.”
The same applies here . I’m sure a family in a darkened home appreciates those generators. I’m glad he sent them.

They weren't sent to power homes, they were sent to power government offices and medical facilities. Home owners were on their own, that's why I have whole house generators at both my houses.

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[Shelzin]

The reality is they would whine if did or didn't send them.

No matter what Biden does they will condemn him and whine about it.

Oh come on... You have to admit it's a little funny that you have the companies complaining that they couldn't ramp up power output because of green regulations, only to be sent diesel generators.

I mean that's just big government for ya. If you don't laugh at THAT...

 

[Wyatt earp]

It's amazing what people absolutely refuse to read.

How can you read it when the OP is behind a paywall?

 

[Shelzin]

It's amazing what people absolutely refuse to read.

How can you read it when the OP is behind a paywall?

I was referring to what I posted.

 

[Disir]

Republicans blast Obama proposal to sell Tennessee Valley Authority

In a political role reversal, Republicans are blasting President Obama's plan to consider selling the Tennessee Valley Authority, an icon of the New Deal long targeted by conservatives as an example of government overreach.

www.foxnews.com

Ya..............short term memories.

President Dwight Eisenhower called TVA "creeping socialism," while President Ronald Reagan criticized it as an example of big government. Republicans from Barry Goldwater to Newt Gingrich have pointed to the TVA as an example of where the private sector could provide services more cheaply and effectively than bureaucrats.

Except that never happens.

I don't think it should be privatized. In fact, since the privatization of utilities the service has increased in price almost immediately and customer service/response declined.

 

[Dekster]

And just for a fun fact, with so many electronics now using the grid to set their internal times, grid operators jockey with that frequency to speed up or slow down electronic clocks to recalibrate them after the grid strays from 60Hz for any appreciable amount of time.

*laughs*

I've wondered... lol

Electronics that do this are designed to advance 1 second for every 60Hz. If the grid drops below 60Hz the clocks fall behind; if it goes above 60, the clocks are fast. They try to average them out over a period of time to be 60Hz so your cellphone and the like doesn't become too noticeably off. It is actually somebody's job to do this. Most of the time if the frequency of a grid isn't within 60hz +/- 0.05 hz it is because the time nazi is doing their thing.

I'm not saying you're full of shit or anything, but my wristwatch is tied to the atomic clock and updates itself every night. It's also powered by light, it's not plugged in, you'd think systems that require synchronization would have similar technology.

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Perhaps you should consider that no where in your statement did you say that your wrist watch is tied to the electric grid which is what I was discussing. Full Page Reload

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What I can say is deregulation in Indiana Natural Gas energy resulted in lower rates than the national average.
If you live in Indiana, you want Natural Gas. It isn't even close.
Here it is very common for folks to have Gas heat, water heaters and even clothes dryers. with the only use of electricity is lights and appliances.
Deregulation worked in Indiana for sure.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

I'm not surprised by this.

I knew that deregulation and privatization was a horrible idea. For many reasons.

What the republicans don't seem to understand is when you privatize it always costs more because there has to be a profit. It always leaves the American consumer with no recourse to when that private company and their greed end up killing people as it did in Texas.

Texans have paid 28 billion dollars more in energy than they would have if they had not deregulated and privatized.

We didn't deregulate privatize in my state. We have only one electricity provider. The Public Utility District. I live in PUD number 1.

We control that energy. We the people hire the heads of the PUD. Not any politician. The heads of PUD have to be elected by the people and have to answer directly to the people.

Not some crony hired by a politician whose only motivation is greed.

The rates can't be increased without asking for the increase and honestly justifying that increase. The increase isn't decided by a greedy private company, the people own it so it's the people who decide if there's an increase.

The result is we have more energy than we use so we sell it for a profit to other states.

We have the second lowest electric rates in the nation.

We also don't have people dying because a greedy private energy company didn't do the right thing and winterize nor do we end up with electric bills in the thousands when there's a spike in electric use.

The people who bought into the deregulation and privatization were duped.

WSJ News Exclusive | Texas Electric Bills Were $28 Billion Higher Under Deregulation

Texas’s deregulated electricity market left millions in the dark last week. For the past 20 years, its consumers have paid more for their electricity than state residents who are served by traditional utilities, a WSJ investigation found.

www.wsj.com

What the republicans don't seem to understand is when you privatize it always costs more because there has to be a profit.

So when government does something, it's cheaper.....because there's no profit?

Any backup for your idea?

> So when government does something, it's cheaper.....because there's no profit?

Here is a counter example... SpaceX can do the same things as NASA for 10% of the price, because they do not have government bloat.

Deregulated energy markets are pretty messed up, and a lot of it has to do, ironically, with government regulations.

Deregulated refers to letting energy consumers have a choice of provider, lets providers compete to produce the cheapest power, and let the price of electricity fluctuate dramatically. It might work, if the government didn't mess things up so bad by doing things like giving wind power a 1.8 cent per kWh subsidy. When they do that, then all the other reliable power sources are at the mercy of the wind, as it is a cash cow, paid for with taxpayer money.

In such markets, the price of power frequently skurockets during high demand, and it also goes negative during periods of over supply. That's right; power plants have to pay for producing power.

It's a real mess, primarily due to government regulations.

Regards,
Jim

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I'm not surprised by this.

I knew that deregulation and privatization was a horrible idea. For many reasons.

What the republicans don't seem to understand is when you privatize it always costs more because there has to be a profit. It always leaves the American consumer with no recourse to when that private company and their greed end up killing people as it did in Texas.

Texans have paid 28 billion dollars more in energy than they would have if they had not deregulated and privatized.

We didn't deregulate privatize in my state. We have only one electricity provider. The Public Utility District. I live in PUD number 1.

We control that energy. We the people hire the heads of the PUD. Not any politician. The heads of PUD have to be elected by the people and have to answer directly to the people.

Not some crony hired by a politician whose only motivation is greed.

The rates can't be increased without asking for the increase and honestly justifying that increase. The increase isn't decided by a greedy private company, the people own it so it's the people who decide if there's an increase.

The result is we have more energy than we use so we sell it for a profit to other states.

We have the second lowest electric rates in the nation.

We also don't have people dying because a greedy private energy company didn't do the right thing and winterize nor do we end up with electric bills in the thousands when there's a spike in electric use.

The people who bought into the deregulation and privatization were duped.

WSJ News Exclusive | Texas Electric Bills Were $28 Billion Higher Under Deregulation

Texas’s deregulated electricity market left millions in the dark last week. For the past 20 years, its consumers have paid more for their electricity than state residents who are served by traditional utilities, a WSJ investigation found.

www.wsj.com

Our gas bills here in KC are expected to rise by 100 times DESPITE REGULATIONS.

Utility bills expected to rise as natural gas prices soar

Utility bills will soon increase due to skyrocketing prices of natural gas.

www.kshb.com

 

[ESay]

What I can say is deregulation in Indiana Natural Gas energy resulted in lower rates than the national average.
If you live in Indiana, you want Natural Gas. It isn't even close.
Here it is very common for folks to have Gas heat, water heaters and even clothes dryers. with the only use of electricity is lights and appliances.
Deregulation worked in Indiana for sure.

For what cost was this achieved? The main point is that these lower rates shouldn't impact the infrastructure maintenance.