Thank you FDR

Are suggesting we simply use our own brain or opinions to create history, and after creating our own history we then create the reasons for the actions of the people involved, and then go a step further and label the actions as treason or other. Is this what historians do?

What was average unemployment rate over FDR first 2 terms?
One would think any American who researches FDR would conclude that an average unemployment rate (when it was much more accurate than the fallacious U3 rate used today) of 18% over his first eight years in office, is a complete failure.

18% over eight years when America was the leading manufacturing nation, could only be accomplished by complete and utter incompetence. Yet, millions of Americans think FDR was great for the economy...all thanks to statist historians making shit up.
Where do you get these unemployment figures? I know of no source that backs up your claim. The sources I refer to show an almost 25% or 21% figures, depending on the method used to calculate, in 1933 when FDR took office with a continuing decline until the short recession of '38. By 1940 the number was down to 9.5%.

Here is one of the sources I use for unemployment figures. On the third page into the link there is a chart that shows both methods of calculating unemployment figures. I prefer the Darby method because that method includes people working in the WPA, CCC, etc. as being employed. The Lebergott method counts them as unemployed because the jobs they worked at were government financed and not privately funded. I like this source because it explains in detail how these different methods are used. In any case, the source I am providing shows both methods of calculating side by side for comparison. Can't get fairer than that. What source are you using?

fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/maremp93.pdf

FDR had to thank Hitler for starting WWII, that was what saved the US economy from 12 years of 20% Unemployment
Frank, I am posting impeccable sources that are not only accurate, but objective. They are academic in nature. The link I posted directly preceding your post gives unemployment figures for every year of the FDR administration. The sources I provide dispute your claim. I give links and you give nonsense talking point propaganda that you have no way of substantiating. I provide proof that by 1940 FDR had brought the unemployment figure down to 9.5% and you make a fraudulent claim it was at 20%. You are not a serious debater sir, not unless you can show some kind of evidence to back up your nonsense.

I said the averaged 20% over his first 2 terms. He had to thank Hitler for starting WWII to finally lower it in 1940
 
Are suggesting we simply use our own brain or opinions to create history, and after creating our own history we then create the reasons for the actions of the people involved, and then go a step further and label the actions as treason or other. Is this what historians do?

What was average unemployment rate over FDR first 2 terms?
One would think any American who researches FDR would conclude that an average unemployment rate (when it was much more accurate than the fallacious U3 rate used today) of 18% over his first eight years in office, is a complete failure.

18% over eight years when America was the leading manufacturing nation, could only be accomplished by complete and utter incompetence. Yet, millions of Americans think FDR was great for the economy...all thanks to statist historians making shit up.
Where do you get these unemployment figures? I know of no source that backs up your claim. The sources I refer to show an almost 25% or 21% figures, depending on the method used to calculate, in 1933 when FDR took office with a continuing decline until the short recession of '38. By 1940 the number was down to 9.5%.

Here is one of the sources I use for unemployment figures. On the third page into the link there is a chart that shows both methods of calculating unemployment figures. I prefer the Darby method because that method includes people working in the WPA, CCC, etc. as being employed. The Lebergott method counts them as unemployed because the jobs they worked at were government financed and not privately funded. I like this source because it explains in detail how these different methods are used. In any case, the source I am providing shows both methods of calculating side by side for comparison. Can't get fairer than that. What source are you using?

fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/maremp93.pdf

FDR had to thank Hitler for starting WWII, that was what saved the US economy from 12 years of 20% Unemployment
Frank, I am posting impeccable sources that are not only accurate, but objective. They are academic in nature. The link I posted directly preceding your post gives unemployment figures for every year of the FDR administration. The sources I provide dispute your claim. I give links and you give nonsense talking point propaganda that you have no way of substantiating. I provide proof that by 1940 FDR had brought the unemployment figure down to 9.5% and you make a fraudulent claim it was at 20%. You are not a serious debater sir, not unless you can show some kind of evidence to back up your nonsense.

FDR didn't do dick to lower the unemployment, thank your other Fascist Hitler for that

FDR did NOTHING to lower unemployment
 
What was average unemployment rate over FDR first 2 terms?
One would think any American who researches FDR would conclude that an average unemployment rate (when it was much more accurate than the fallacious U3 rate used today) of 18% over his first eight years in office, is a complete failure.

18% over eight years when America was the leading manufacturing nation, could only be accomplished by complete and utter incompetence. Yet, millions of Americans think FDR was great for the economy...all thanks to statist historians making shit up.
Where do you get these unemployment figures? I know of no source that backs up your claim. The sources I refer to show an almost 25% or 21% figures, depending on the method used to calculate, in 1933 when FDR took office with a continuing decline until the short recession of '38. By 1940 the number was down to 9.5%.

Here is one of the sources I use for unemployment figures. On the third page into the link there is a chart that shows both methods of calculating unemployment figures. I prefer the Darby method because that method includes people working in the WPA, CCC, etc. as being employed. The Lebergott method counts them as unemployed because the jobs they worked at were government financed and not privately funded. I like this source because it explains in detail how these different methods are used. In any case, the source I am providing shows both methods of calculating side by side for comparison. Can't get fairer than that. What source are you using?

fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/maremp93.pdf

FDR had to thank Hitler for starting WWII, that was what saved the US economy from 12 years of 20% Unemployment
Frank, I am posting impeccable sources that are not only accurate, but objective. They are academic in nature. The link I posted directly preceding your post gives unemployment figures for every year of the FDR administration. The sources I provide dispute your claim. I give links and you give nonsense talking point propaganda that you have no way of substantiating. I provide proof that by 1940 FDR had brought the unemployment figure down to 9.5% and you make a fraudulent claim it was at 20%. You are not a serious debater sir, not unless you can show some kind of evidence to back up your nonsense.

I said the averaged 20% over his first 2 terms. He had to thank Hitler for starting WWII to finally lower it in 1940
The only way you can claim those numbers is if you count workers that built the infrastructure that is still being used to this very day as unemployed. Even though they had jobs and collected pay checks, you want to count them as unemployed. Very few Americans can get through a day without using and even seeing what was created to lower unemployment back in the 1930's. Even using the figures that show workers as being unemployed because they did not collect checks from private industry show drastic reductions in unemployment, from 24.9% when FDR took office in 1933 to 14.6% in 1940, an over 10% drop in private industry. Figure in the workers in government projects building post offices, bridges, schools, hospitals, etc. and the numbers drop down to 9.5%. FDR brought down the unemployment numbers in private industry by 10% during the period you are claiming he did nothing.
Anyway you look at it you are just spouting partisan misinformation. Because you have been given impeccable links with data you are purposefully ignoring, your misinformation becomes what amounts to lying if you are not able to contest the information you have been given with your own academic or valid data.
 
Are suggesting we simply use our own brain or opinions to create history, and after creating our own history we then create the reasons for the actions of the people involved, and then go a step further and label the actions as treason or other. Is this what historians do?

What was average unemployment rate over FDR first 2 terms?
One would think any American who researches FDR would conclude that an average unemployment rate (when it was much more accurate than the fallacious U3 rate used today) of 18% over his first eight years in office, is a complete failure.

18% over eight years when America was the leading manufacturing nation, could only be accomplished by complete and utter incompetence. Yet, millions of Americans think FDR was great for the economy...all thanks to statist historians making shit up.
Where do you get these unemployment figures? I know of no source that backs up your claim. The sources I refer to show an almost 25% or 21% figures, depending on the method used to calculate, in 1933 when FDR took office with a continuing decline until the short recession of '38. By 1940 the number was down to 9.5%.

Here is one of the sources I use for unemployment figures. On the third page into the link there is a chart that shows both methods of calculating unemployment figures. I prefer the Darby method because that method includes people working in the WPA, CCC, etc. as being employed. The Lebergott method counts them as unemployed because the jobs they worked at were government financed and not privately funded. I like this source because it explains in detail how these different methods are used. In any case, the source I am providing shows both methods of calculating side by side for comparison. Can't get fairer than that. What source are you using?

fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/maremp93.pdf

FDR had to thank Hitler for starting WWII, that was what saved the US economy from 12 years of 20% Unemployment
Frank, I am posting impeccable sources that are not only accurate, but objective. They are academic in nature. The link I posted directly preceding your post gives unemployment figures for every year of the FDR administration. The sources I provide dispute your claim. I give links and you give nonsense talking point propaganda that you have no way of substantiating. I provide proof that by 1940 FDR had brought the unemployment figure down to 9.5% and you make a fraudulent claim it was at 20%. You are not a serious debater sir, not unless you can show some kind of evidence to back up your nonsense.

I said average over 8 years was 20%. I didn't say 20% for each of the 8 years
 
What was average unemployment rate over FDR first 2 terms?
One would think any American who researches FDR would conclude that an average unemployment rate (when it was much more accurate than the fallacious U3 rate used today) of 18% over his first eight years in office, is a complete failure.

18% over eight years when America was the leading manufacturing nation, could only be accomplished by complete and utter incompetence. Yet, millions of Americans think FDR was great for the economy...all thanks to statist historians making shit up.
Where do you get these unemployment figures? I know of no source that backs up your claim. The sources I refer to show an almost 25% or 21% figures, depending on the method used to calculate, in 1933 when FDR took office with a continuing decline until the short recession of '38. By 1940 the number was down to 9.5%.

Here is one of the sources I use for unemployment figures. On the third page into the link there is a chart that shows both methods of calculating unemployment figures. I prefer the Darby method because that method includes people working in the WPA, CCC, etc. as being employed. The Lebergott method counts them as unemployed because the jobs they worked at were government financed and not privately funded. I like this source because it explains in detail how these different methods are used. In any case, the source I am providing shows both methods of calculating side by side for comparison. Can't get fairer than that. What source are you using?

fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/maremp93.pdf

FDR had to thank Hitler for starting WWII, that was what saved the US economy from 12 years of 20% Unemployment
Frank, I am posting impeccable sources that are not only accurate, but objective. They are academic in nature. The link I posted directly preceding your post gives unemployment figures for every year of the FDR administration. The sources I provide dispute your claim. I give links and you give nonsense talking point propaganda that you have no way of substantiating. I provide proof that by 1940 FDR had brought the unemployment figure down to 9.5% and you make a fraudulent claim it was at 20%. You are not a serious debater sir, not unless you can show some kind of evidence to back up your nonsense.

FDR didn't do dick to lower the unemployment, thank your other Fascist Hitler for that

FDR did NOTHING to lower unemployment
Another way to put it, is FDR's policies RESULTED in high unemployment. Much like Obama has done, FDR's constant interventions into the world's most powerful and efficient economy, caused terrible joblessness. But again, the truth is not taught...lies are taught.
 
... he did it with the full advice and support of the west coast military commanders......


That is a flat-out lie.
No it isn't. ....



Yes, it is. The Department of the Navy told FDR that Japanese Americans were not a threat of espionage, his own Attorney General told him not to do it, and yet that son of a bitch still built concentration camps on US soil. Unforgivable.
 
One would think any American who researches FDR would conclude that an average unemployment rate (when it was much more accurate than the fallacious U3 rate used today) of 18% over his first eight years in office, is a complete failure.

18% over eight years when America was the leading manufacturing nation, could only be accomplished by complete and utter incompetence. Yet, millions of Americans think FDR was great for the economy...all thanks to statist historians making shit up.
Where do you get these unemployment figures? I know of no source that backs up your claim. The sources I refer to show an almost 25% or 21% figures, depending on the method used to calculate, in 1933 when FDR took office with a continuing decline until the short recession of '38. By 1940 the number was down to 9.5%.

Here is one of the sources I use for unemployment figures. On the third page into the link there is a chart that shows both methods of calculating unemployment figures. I prefer the Darby method because that method includes people working in the WPA, CCC, etc. as being employed. The Lebergott method counts them as unemployed because the jobs they worked at were government financed and not privately funded. I like this source because it explains in detail how these different methods are used. In any case, the source I am providing shows both methods of calculating side by side for comparison. Can't get fairer than that. What source are you using?

fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/maremp93.pdf

FDR had to thank Hitler for starting WWII, that was what saved the US economy from 12 years of 20% Unemployment
Frank, I am posting impeccable sources that are not only accurate, but objective. They are academic in nature. The link I posted directly preceding your post gives unemployment figures for every year of the FDR administration. The sources I provide dispute your claim. I give links and you give nonsense talking point propaganda that you have no way of substantiating. I provide proof that by 1940 FDR had brought the unemployment figure down to 9.5% and you make a fraudulent claim it was at 20%. You are not a serious debater sir, not unless you can show some kind of evidence to back up your nonsense.

FDR didn't do dick to lower the unemployment, thank your other Fascist Hitler for that

FDR did NOTHING to lower unemployment
Another way to put it, is FDR's policies RESULTED in high unemployment. Much like Obama has done, FDR's constant interventions into the world's most powerful and efficient economy, caused terrible joblessness. But again, the truth is not taught...lies are taught.
You can not back your nonsense up. You are just using agenda driven political commentary instead of academic sources. You don't want to admit that government intervention can resolve economic crisis by lowering unemployment.

FDR created systems that allowed for loans to be made to the individual states who in turn built infrastructure. The loans were secured by using US gold reserves as collateral, an idea that was criticized and objected to by his opponents. It was viewed as gambling with the nations "life savings". In the end, all of the states were able to pay the federal government back for the loans.
Between the fed jobs and the jobs created by loaning funds to the states for projects, large numbers of workers were able to earn incomes and feed the economy. That lifted the economy for private industry as workers spent the pay checks. The difference between our recent stimulus and the New Deal programs is that during the FDR days the funds were tightly and strictly administered into shovel ready infrastructure jobs and not used to prop up failing state and local governments.

The issue of the Great Depression and FDR's New Deal gained renewed attention with the recent crisis and proposals for stimulus packages. Great effort and expense were dedicated to misleading the public about the success of the New Deal and what have been perceived as socialist programs being allowed to compete with capitalist private interest.
 
J. Franklin Carter and Chicago businessman C.B. Munson, sent to the West Coast by FDR to assess the threat told him there was no such threat and urged against his concentration camps, but that son of a bitch wanted his concentration camps and he would have them no matter how much he had to lie and/or subvert the Constitution.
 
... he did it with the full advice and support of the west coast military commanders......


That is a flat-out lie.
No it isn't. ....



Yes, it is. The Department of the Navy told FDR that Japanese Americans were not a threat of espionage, his own Attorney General told him not to do it, and yet that son of a bitch still built concentration camps on US soil. Unforgivable.
There were others who gave similar advice. Gen. Clark was a prominent General and one of them. Unfortunately the officials and military offices who had responsibility as official advisers were not in that group. FDR, having a history of racism to start with chose to go along with his racist advisers. If you read into the military link I provided it becomes apparent that commercial interest in California had a huge amount to do with why those advisers steered the decision in the way they did. I am personally convinced that those interest had far more to do with the internment than racism.. Racism and fear were just the tools used to steal the Japanese farms and property.
 
Where do you get these unemployment figures? I know of no source that backs up your claim. The sources I refer to show an almost 25% or 21% figures, depending on the method used to calculate, in 1933 when FDR took office with a continuing decline until the short recession of '38. By 1940 the number was down to 9.5%.

Here is one of the sources I use for unemployment figures. On the third page into the link there is a chart that shows both methods of calculating unemployment figures. I prefer the Darby method because that method includes people working in the WPA, CCC, etc. as being employed. The Lebergott method counts them as unemployed because the jobs they worked at were government financed and not privately funded. I like this source because it explains in detail how these different methods are used. In any case, the source I am providing shows both methods of calculating side by side for comparison. Can't get fairer than that. What source are you using?

fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/maremp93.pdf

FDR had to thank Hitler for starting WWII, that was what saved the US economy from 12 years of 20% Unemployment
Frank, I am posting impeccable sources that are not only accurate, but objective. They are academic in nature. The link I posted directly preceding your post gives unemployment figures for every year of the FDR administration. The sources I provide dispute your claim. I give links and you give nonsense talking point propaganda that you have no way of substantiating. I provide proof that by 1940 FDR had brought the unemployment figure down to 9.5% and you make a fraudulent claim it was at 20%. You are not a serious debater sir, not unless you can show some kind of evidence to back up your nonsense.

FDR didn't do dick to lower the unemployment, thank your other Fascist Hitler for that

FDR did NOTHING to lower unemployment
Another way to put it, is FDR's policies RESULTED in high unemployment. Much like Obama has done, FDR's constant interventions into the world's most powerful and efficient economy, caused terrible joblessness. But again, the truth is not taught...lies are taught.
You can not back your nonsense up. You are just using agenda driven political commentary instead of academic sources. You don't want to admit that government intervention can resolve economic crisis by lowering unemployment.

FDR created systems that allowed for loans to be made to the individual states who in turn built infrastructure. The loans were secured by using US gold reserves as collateral, an idea that was criticized and objected to by his opponents. It was viewed as gambling with the nations "life savings". In the end, all of the states were able to pay the federal government back for the loans.
Between the fed jobs and the jobs created by loaning funds to the states for projects, large numbers of workers were able to earn incomes and feed the economy. That lifted the economy for private industry as workers spent the pay checks. The difference between our recent stimulus and the New Deal programs is that during the FDR days the funds were tightly and strictly administered into shovel ready infrastructure jobs and not used to prop up failing state and local governments.

The issue of the Great Depression and FDR's New Deal gained renewed attention with the recent crisis and proposals for stimulus packages. Great effort and expense were dedicated to misleading the public about the success of the New Deal and what have been perceived as socialist programs being allowed to compete with capitalist private interest.
And all that worked so well that it required a world war to reduce unemployment. How does one become so blind?
 
Spinning to play apologist for an inexcusable scumbag. ^^^^^^
Dude, the scum bags were the ones who attacked us on Dec. 7, 1941 and went on to overrun our Pacific territories and bases, capture all the American civilians and military personnel, and torture, murder and enslave them in camps that made the Nazi concentration death camps look like vacation resorts.
They proved themselves to be more racist and hateful than the worst of the Nazi's. We rounded up Japanese who many, including military advisers, thought were a potential threat. We didn't torture and murder them or starve them. We didn't stand around and joke as some of them died of thirst and heat stroke under a hot tropical sun. The scum bags were the Jap's who did those things to Americans, including civilians and including women.
At least the Jap's we rounded up were given housing and fed and clothed. The children attended schools and the people were allowed to grow gardens and participate in leisure activities. There is simply no comparison.

After the Japanese attack the US under the command of FDR gave authority and power to the meanest, toughest most competent soldiers, sailors, Marines and Airmen available. They really were not worried about hurting some guys feeling 80 years into the future. They were not interested in having nice neat tribunals to hear individual Japanese cases in California to determine if they could be trusted or not as your Ringle report suggested. They definitely were not interested in leaving the policing and security from sabotage to a Japanese created special police unit as that same Ringle report suggested. They took the 100% reliable solution of rounding everyone up and getting them far away from where the sabotage and spying was most likely, the west coast.
 
FDR had to thank Hitler for starting WWII, that was what saved the US economy from 12 years of 20% Unemployment
Frank, I am posting impeccable sources that are not only accurate, but objective. They are academic in nature. The link I posted directly preceding your post gives unemployment figures for every year of the FDR administration. The sources I provide dispute your claim. I give links and you give nonsense talking point propaganda that you have no way of substantiating. I provide proof that by 1940 FDR had brought the unemployment figure down to 9.5% and you make a fraudulent claim it was at 20%. You are not a serious debater sir, not unless you can show some kind of evidence to back up your nonsense.

FDR didn't do dick to lower the unemployment, thank your other Fascist Hitler for that

FDR did NOTHING to lower unemployment
Another way to put it, is FDR's policies RESULTED in high unemployment. Much like Obama has done, FDR's constant interventions into the world's most powerful and efficient economy, caused terrible joblessness. But again, the truth is not taught...lies are taught.
You can not back your nonsense up. You are just using agenda driven political commentary instead of academic sources. You don't want to admit that government intervention can resolve economic crisis by lowering unemployment.

FDR created systems that allowed for loans to be made to the individual states who in turn built infrastructure. The loans were secured by using US gold reserves as collateral, an idea that was criticized and objected to by his opponents. It was viewed as gambling with the nations "life savings". In the end, all of the states were able to pay the federal government back for the loans.
Between the fed jobs and the jobs created by loaning funds to the states for projects, large numbers of workers were able to earn incomes and feed the economy. That lifted the economy for private industry as workers spent the pay checks. The difference between our recent stimulus and the New Deal programs is that during the FDR days the funds were tightly and strictly administered into shovel ready infrastructure jobs and not used to prop up failing state and local governments.

The issue of the Great Depression and FDR's New Deal gained renewed attention with the recent crisis and proposals for stimulus packages. Great effort and expense were dedicated to misleading the public about the success of the New Deal and what have been perceived as socialist programs being allowed to compete with capitalist private interest.
And all that worked so well that it required a world war to reduce unemployment. How does one become so blind?
How does one become so ignorant as to make such a post after being given so much data to prove your contention is bullshit. You have been given data accepted by the harshest and most critical opponents of FDR and the New Deal, the unemployment numbers calculated by the Lebergott method that included workers in public projects as unemployed and it still shows a decrease of 10% in the unemployment figures. Yet here you are insisting there was no reduction in unemployment until WWII based on nothing more than you comment. Just a lie you refuse to stop telling.
 
Frank, I am posting impeccable sources that are not only accurate, but objective. They are academic in nature. The link I posted directly preceding your post gives unemployment figures for every year of the FDR administration. The sources I provide dispute your claim. I give links and you give nonsense talking point propaganda that you have no way of substantiating. I provide proof that by 1940 FDR had brought the unemployment figure down to 9.5% and you make a fraudulent claim it was at 20%. You are not a serious debater sir, not unless you can show some kind of evidence to back up your nonsense.

FDR didn't do dick to lower the unemployment, thank your other Fascist Hitler for that

FDR did NOTHING to lower unemployment
Another way to put it, is FDR's policies RESULTED in high unemployment. Much like Obama has done, FDR's constant interventions into the world's most powerful and efficient economy, caused terrible joblessness. But again, the truth is not taught...lies are taught.
You can not back your nonsense up. You are just using agenda driven political commentary instead of academic sources. You don't want to admit that government intervention can resolve economic crisis by lowering unemployment.

FDR created systems that allowed for loans to be made to the individual states who in turn built infrastructure. The loans were secured by using US gold reserves as collateral, an idea that was criticized and objected to by his opponents. It was viewed as gambling with the nations "life savings". In the end, all of the states were able to pay the federal government back for the loans.
Between the fed jobs and the jobs created by loaning funds to the states for projects, large numbers of workers were able to earn incomes and feed the economy. That lifted the economy for private industry as workers spent the pay checks. The difference between our recent stimulus and the New Deal programs is that during the FDR days the funds were tightly and strictly administered into shovel ready infrastructure jobs and not used to prop up failing state and local governments.

The issue of the Great Depression and FDR's New Deal gained renewed attention with the recent crisis and proposals for stimulus packages. Great effort and expense were dedicated to misleading the public about the success of the New Deal and what have been perceived as socialist programs being allowed to compete with capitalist private interest.
And all that worked so well that it required a world war to reduce unemployment. How does one become so blind?
How does one become so ignorant as to make such a post after being given so much data to prove your contention is bullshit. You have been given data accepted by the harshest and most critical opponents of FDR and the New Deal, the unemployment numbers calculated by the Lebergott method that included workers in public projects as unemployed and it still shows a decrease of 10% in the unemployment figures. Yet here you are insisting there was no reduction in unemployment until WWII based on nothing more than you comment. Just a lie you refuse to stop telling.
So, is it your position that unemployment was not a problem prior to WWII?

What was the "real" unemployment figure in 1940?
 
Some Americans that were for removing Japanese and Japanese-Americans from the coastal areas were Secretary of War. Stimson; Earl Warren, governor of California and future Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; Frank Knox, Secretary of the Navy; General DeWitt head of the Western Defense Command; Daughters and Sons of the Golden West, Mayor of San Francisco, Portland City Council; Governor of Colorado, and many citizens.
Fear was the great motivator and politicians use fear for their own ends.
Today, we fear Muslims, among other fears, and there is the rumor that Obama is not a citizen and is a Muslim and Muslims have training camps on American soil ready to make war. No politician of note would allow those fears to be spread today, nor would any American citizen believe them, right?
 

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