Thanks Trump, for destroying the GOP

Did you want to give an example of what the government does cheaper than the private sector? I'd LOVE to hear what that is, Winger!

Education, healthcare, infrastructure, public services, transportation

USPS

Gee, Winger...could you POSSIBLY be more vague about what Barry's plan is to stimulate the economy? We all know that you progressives LOVE to spend money on all of those things but where is Obama's plan in any of that vagueness to create jobs?

I'll bet you can't even tell me who Barry's Chief Economic Advisers are? You know why you can't? Because he hasn't even ATTEMPTED to do anything about jobs or the economy in so long NOBODY knows who they are!

Do you think the The Congress has much to do about nothing? Calling the twice elected President of the United States "Barry" is the most telling part of your post, your hate for him is irrational.

What's "telling" is that instead of answering my question...you've decided to get upset because someone wasn't respectful enough of Barack Obama! It's a simple question...yet all of you have either run from it or tried to deflect the conversation to something else like my supposed "hate" for Obama! I don't hate him by the way...but neither do I WORSHIP him like so many of you on the left do.

So did you want to tell me what Barry's plan is to stimulate the economy? Did you want to tell me who his Chief Economic Advisers are and what THEIR plan is to stimulate the economy? I'm guessing that will never happen, Catcher because I think it's rather obvious at this point that he doesn't have one and hasn't in many many years!
old style does this help??
Economic policy of Barack Obama
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Main article: Political positions of Barack Obama
The economic policy of the Barack Obama administration is a combination of tax increases on the wealthiest Americans and investment in myriad public services such as scientific research, infrastructure, health care reform, and education that is meant to boost the American economy and future prospects. Barack Obama himself is a proponent of using government regulation to stem crony capitalism, and tax revenue to stabilize and promote economic growth. Current economic advisers are Alan B. Krueger of Princeton University and Jeffrey Liebman of Harvard University.[1] In 2006, Obama wrote: "We should be asking ourselves what mix of policies will lead to a dynamic free market and widespread economic security, entrepreneurial innovation and upward mobility [...] we should be guided by what works."[2] Speaking before the National Press Club in April 2005, he defended the New Deal social welfare policies of Franklin D. Roosevelt, associating Republicanproposals to establish private accounts for Social Security with Social Darwinism.[3]

Seriously? Barack Obama asking what mix of policies will lead to a dynamic free market is your definition of a PLAN to stimulate the economy and create jobs?

First of all...increasing taxes isn't good at growing an economy or creating jobs. It's a great way to slow the growth of both things!

Secondly, for Barack Obama to pretend to be an proponent of using government regulation to "stem crony capitalism" when he himself rewarded his backers with sweet heart deals like Solyndra and the GM takeover is laughable! He obviously is against crony capitalism when someone else does it...just not when HE does it!

Now did you want to give me a real blueprint for economic growth put forward by Obama or any of his advisors to create jobs and grow the economy...or are you content to repeat vague calls for increased spending in "public services"?
 
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You need to make this about W, Faun because Barry's performance when it comes to addressing the economy is almost as bad as his performance when it comes to foreign policy...and THAT is saying something!
I'm making it about Bush because it is about Bush. Bush should never have invaded Iraq. Had he not, there would have been no Al-qaeda in Iraq then and there wouldn't be ISIL now. You trying to blame Obama for ISIL is like trying to blame FDNY for the fall of the Twin Towers and not the terrorists who flew commercial jets into them.

So let me see if I follow your "logic" here...the rise of ISIS in Syria took place because Bush invaded Iraq years earlier? But Barry's complete lack of a Middle Eastern strategy (AKA "Leading From Behind") had nothing to do with it? Really, Faun?
Bush opened a can of worms when he destabilized the Middle East by invading Iraq. Bush is responsible for whatever crawls out.

So even though W. has been back at the ranch in Crawford chopping brush and riding his mountain bike while Barry did his whole "Leading From Behind" Middle Eastern policy...it's Bush who's responsible for how FUBARed things are? What has Obama been doing...diddling himself in the Oval Office? He supposedly came into office with a plan to fix both the economy and our foreign policy. So what are those plans? God knows he gave up trying to fix the economy years ago after his "stimulus" cratered so badly! "Shovel Ready" jobs anyone? So point out a trouble spot in the world where things are better now because of his LFB policies than they were when he took office! Russia? China? Syria? Afghanistan? Libya? France? Great Britain? Iran? Israel?
Yes old style he did have a plan BUT NEVER in his wildest thoughts did he believe that not only would repubs sit on their hands but they would do their best to injure him and his policies Repubs believe in party first country last and may you all burn in hell right next to gwb

So if he actually had a plan...why didn't he employ that plan during the two years that the Democrats controlled Washington? I hate to point out the painfully obvious but if the GOP couldn't block ObamaCare...how could they have blocked any Obama plan to grow the economy or create jobs? Oh, wait...you actually believe that the GOP have blocked some mystery Obama economic plan? Seriously, Eddie?
 
And just between you and me, Eddie...if Barack Obama wasn't savvy enough to understand what the ramifications would be from his telling the GOP back in 2009 that "Elections have consequences...I won!"...and then telling them to go sit in the hall while Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid cooked up the Obama Stimulus and the Affordable Care Act...then he's not a very bright man...is he?
 
the issue is the role of the federal govt. You want it to be your momma and take care of you from cradle to grave. Most sane people want it to be limited as specified in the constitution.

Yes, we must be taxed to support the federal government. Again, the issue is how much of our lives do we want to turn over to the clowns in DC

I want the government to do what needs doing. If they can do it at a lower cost than I can do it on my own...I'm all for it

If I can get cheaper education through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it
If I can get cheaper healthcare through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it

We the people are a very large group. If we can get together and get better deals than the private sector is offering, then I am all for it

Did you want to give an example of what the government does cheaper than the private sector? I'd LOVE to hear what that is, Winger!

Education, healthcare, infrastructure, public services, transportation

USPS


education: the federal government does not run schools. the dept of education is a total waste of money

healthcare: Duh, ever hear of the VA?

Infrastructure: our roads and bridges are falling apart. state and local toll roads are in excellent condition

public services: which ones? what public services does the federal government provide?

Transportation: LOL

The fact that Winger thinks Government does those things better than the Private Sector simply illustrates that Winger isn't very bright! Just saying...:dance:
Rightard Derangement Syndrome (RDS) rears its ugly head again...

rightwinger did not say the government does things better than the private sector. Learn to comprehend what you read.
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No, it's not bullshit...

Foreign born: 4,016,000
1/2009: 21,375,000
2/2016: 25,391,000

Native born: 5,609,000
1/2009: 119,061,000
2/2016: 124,670,000

How many times can you lose this argument?

It IS bullshit because BUSINESS VISAs are INCLUDED in the number, but only Legal Immigrant are categorized as FOREIGN BORN.
Holyfuckingshit! :eusa_doh:

You can't get anything right. You're batting zero and striking out again.

Of course 'foreign born' includes illegal aliens.

How many times are you going to lose this argument?

Deal with reality ... most jobs gained under Obama are full time jobs. Most jobs under Obama went to American citizens.
That is NOT what you stated or implied.
You are desperately trying to defend Obama's track record as an "Employment" President and you are failing miserably.
I proved every word I said which refuted every word you said.

Deal with it.

Most jobs under Obama have been full time jobs. Most jobs under Obama have gone to Americans.

And that's even factoring in the roughly 4 million jobs lost to Bush's Great Recession during Obama's first year in office.

Your idiocy has been proven to be idiocy with data from the BLS.
Rolled-Up Rush Limbaugh techniques?
Shame on you.
I don't listen to Limbaugh. What's a "rolled up Rush Limbaugh technique?"
 
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It IS bullshit because BUSINESS VISAs are INCLUDED in the number, but only Legal Immigrant are categorized as FOREIGN BORN.
Holyfuckingshit! :eusa_doh:

You can't get anything right. You're batting zero and striking out again.

Of course 'foreign born' includes illegal aliens.

How many times are you going to lose this argument?

Deal with reality ... most jobs gained under Obama are full time jobs. Most jobs under Obama went to American citizens.
That is NOT what you stated or implied.
You are desperately trying to defend Obama's track record as an "Employment" President and you are failing miserably.
I proved every word I said which refuted every word you said.

Deal with it.

Most jobs under Obama have been full time jobs. Most jobs under Obama have gone to Americans.

And that's even factoring in the roughly 4 million jobs lost to Bush's Great Recession during Obama's first year in office.

Your idiocy has been proven to be idiocy with data from the BLS.
Rolled-Up Rush Limbaugh techniques?
Shame on you.
I don't list to Limbaugh. What's a "rolled up Rush Limbaugh technique?"
Lumping various categories into one numbet to advance an agenda.
Like GDP being great if you're a billionaire.
 
You need to make this about W, Faun because Barry's performance when it comes to addressing the economy is almost as bad as his performance when it comes to foreign policy...and THAT is saying something!
I'm making it about Bush because it is about Bush. Bush should never have invaded Iraq. Had he not, there would have been no Al-qaeda in Iraq then and there wouldn't be ISIL now. You trying to blame Obama for ISIL is like trying to blame FDNY for the fall of the Twin Towers and not the terrorists who flew commercial jets into them.

So let me see if I follow your "logic" here...the rise of ISIS in Syria took place because Bush invaded Iraq years earlier? But Barry's complete lack of a Middle Eastern strategy (AKA "Leading From Behind") had nothing to do with it? Really, Faun?
Bush opened a can of worms when he destabilized the Middle East by invading Iraq. Bush is responsible for whatever crawls out.

So even though W. has been back at the ranch in Crawford chopping brush and riding his mountain bike while Barry did his whole "Leading From Behind" Middle Eastern policy...it's Bush who's responsible for how FUBARed things are? What has Obama been doing...diddling himself in the Oval Office? He supposedly came into office with a plan to fix both the economy and our foreign policy. So what are those plans? God knows he gave up trying to fix the economy years ago after his "stimulus" cratered so badly! "Shovel Ready" jobs anyone? So point out a trouble spot in the world where things are better now because of his LFB policies than they were when he took office! Russia? China? Syria? Afghanistan? Libya? France? Great Britain? Iran? Israel?
Bush fucked up the Middle East. He owns it.
 
I want the government to do what needs doing. If they can do it at a lower cost than I can do it on my own...I'm all for it

If I can get cheaper education through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it
If I can get cheaper healthcare through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it

We the people are a very large group. If we can get together and get better deals than the private sector is offering, then I am all for it

Did you want to give an example of what the government does cheaper than the private sector? I'd LOVE to hear what that is, Winger!

Education, healthcare, infrastructure, public services, transportation

USPS


education: the federal government does not run schools. the dept of education is a total waste of money

healthcare: Duh, ever hear of the VA?

Infrastructure: our roads and bridges are falling apart. state and local toll roads are in excellent condition

public services: which ones? what public services does the federal government provide?

Transportation: LOL

The fact that Winger thinks Government does those things better than the Private Sector simply illustrates that Winger isn't very bright! Just saying...:dance:
Rightard Derangement Syndrome (RDS) rears its ugly head again...

rightwinger did not say the government does things better than the private sector. Learn to comprehend what you read.
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here is what he said:


"
I want the government to do what needs doing. If they can do it at a lower cost than I can do it on my own...I'm all for it

If I can get cheaper education through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it
If I can get cheaper healthcare through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it

We the people are a very large group. If we can get together and get better deals than the private sector is offering, then I am all for it"




He certainly implied that he thinks that govt can do some things better than private industry. We merely asked him for some examples.

But since neither of you can come up with any------------case closed
 
You need to make this about W, Faun because Barry's performance when it comes to addressing the economy is almost as bad as his performance when it comes to foreign policy...and THAT is saying something!
I'm making it about Bush because it is about Bush. Bush should never have invaded Iraq. Had he not, there would have been no Al-qaeda in Iraq then and there wouldn't be ISIL now. You trying to blame Obama for ISIL is like trying to blame FDNY for the fall of the Twin Towers and not the terrorists who flew commercial jets into them.

So let me see if I follow your "logic" here...the rise of ISIS in Syria took place because Bush invaded Iraq years earlier? But Barry's complete lack of a Middle Eastern strategy (AKA "Leading From Behind") had nothing to do with it? Really, Faun?
Bush opened a can of worms when he destabilized the Middle East by invading Iraq. Bush is responsible for whatever crawls out.

So even though W. has been back at the ranch in Crawford chopping brush and riding his mountain bike while Barry did his whole "Leading From Behind" Middle Eastern policy...it's Bush who's responsible for how FUBARed things are? What has Obama been doing...diddling himself in the Oval Office? He supposedly came into office with a plan to fix both the economy and our foreign policy. So what are those plans? God knows he gave up trying to fix the economy years ago after his "stimulus" cratered so badly! "Shovel Ready" jobs anyone? So point out a trouble spot in the world where things are better now because of his LFB policies than they were when he took office! Russia? China? Syria? Afghanistan? Libya? France? Great Britain? Iran? Israel?
Bush fucked up the Middle East. He owns it.


the middle east has been fucked up for 3000 years. Bush isn't that old.
 
Holyfuckingshit! :eusa_doh:

You can't get anything right. You're batting zero and striking out again.

Of course 'foreign born' includes illegal aliens.

How many times are you going to lose this argument?

Deal with reality ... most jobs gained under Obama are full time jobs. Most jobs under Obama went to American citizens.
That is NOT what you stated or implied.
You are desperately trying to defend Obama's track record as an "Employment" President and you are failing miserably.
I proved every word I said which refuted every word you said.

Deal with it.

Most jobs under Obama have been full time jobs. Most jobs under Obama have gone to Americans.

And that's even factoring in the roughly 4 million jobs lost to Bush's Great Recession during Obama's first year in office.

Your idiocy has been proven to be idiocy with data from the BLS.
Rolled-Up Rush Limbaugh techniques?
Shame on you.
I don't list to Limbaugh. What's a "rolled up Rush Limbaugh technique?"
Lumping various categories into one numbet to advance an agenda.
Like GDP being great if you're a billionaire.
I lumped nothing together. I refuted your ridiculous assertions.

In response to me pointing out we are at full employment, you claimed it was due to part time jobs. When I refuted that idiocy by showing most jobs have been full time jobs, you switched to griping about most jobs going to foreigners, which I also refuted by showing most jobs have gone to Americans.

Now you're bitching about Rush Limbaugh.
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How many times are you going to lose this argument?
 
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Did you want to give an example of what the government does cheaper than the private sector? I'd LOVE to hear what that is, Winger!

Education, healthcare, infrastructure, public services, transportation

USPS


education: the federal government does not run schools. the dept of education is a total waste of money

healthcare: Duh, ever hear of the VA?

Infrastructure: our roads and bridges are falling apart. state and local toll roads are in excellent condition

public services: which ones? what public services does the federal government provide?

Transportation: LOL

The fact that Winger thinks Government does those things better than the Private Sector simply illustrates that Winger isn't very bright! Just saying...:dance:
Rightard Derangement Syndrome (RDS) rears its ugly head again...

rightwinger did not say the government does things better than the private sector. Learn to comprehend what you read.
thumbsup.gif


here is what he said:


"
I want the government to do what needs doing. If they can do it at a lower cost than I can do it on my own...I'm all for it

If I can get cheaper education through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it
If I can get cheaper healthcare through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it

We the people are a very large group. If we can get together and get better deals than the private sector is offering, then I am all for it"




He certainly implied that he thinks that govt can do some things better than private industry. We merely asked him for some examples.

But since neither of you can come up with any------------case closed
Yes, he said the government does some things "cheaper". He didn't say the government does things "better".

That you think "cheaper" implies "better" only serves to expose just how retarded you are; since better products and services are typically more expensive.

You're an idiot for thinking cheaper means better and Oldstyle is an idiot for thinking rightwinger said "better" when in fact he said, "cheaper."

As far as a list of services the government provides cheaper than the private sector, RW already gave some examples.
 
I'm making it about Bush because it is about Bush. Bush should never have invaded Iraq. Had he not, there would have been no Al-qaeda in Iraq then and there wouldn't be ISIL now. You trying to blame Obama for ISIL is like trying to blame FDNY for the fall of the Twin Towers and not the terrorists who flew commercial jets into them.

So let me see if I follow your "logic" here...the rise of ISIS in Syria took place because Bush invaded Iraq years earlier? But Barry's complete lack of a Middle Eastern strategy (AKA "Leading From Behind") had nothing to do with it? Really, Faun?
Bush opened a can of worms when he destabilized the Middle East by invading Iraq. Bush is responsible for whatever crawls out.

So even though W. has been back at the ranch in Crawford chopping brush and riding his mountain bike while Barry did his whole "Leading From Behind" Middle Eastern policy...it's Bush who's responsible for how FUBARed things are? What has Obama been doing...diddling himself in the Oval Office? He supposedly came into office with a plan to fix both the economy and our foreign policy. So what are those plans? God knows he gave up trying to fix the economy years ago after his "stimulus" cratered so badly! "Shovel Ready" jobs anyone? So point out a trouble spot in the world where things are better now because of his LFB policies than they were when he took office! Russia? China? Syria? Afghanistan? Libya? France? Great Britain? Iran? Israel?
Bush fucked up the Middle East. He owns it.


the middle east has been fucked up for 3000 years. Bush isn't that old.
The Middle East was not fucked up like it is now.
 
Education, healthcare, infrastructure, public services, transportation

USPS


education: the federal government does not run schools. the dept of education is a total waste of money

healthcare: Duh, ever hear of the VA?

Infrastructure: our roads and bridges are falling apart. state and local toll roads are in excellent condition

public services: which ones? what public services does the federal government provide?

Transportation: LOL

The fact that Winger thinks Government does those things better than the Private Sector simply illustrates that Winger isn't very bright! Just saying...:dance:
Rightard Derangement Syndrome (RDS) rears its ugly head again...

rightwinger did not say the government does things better than the private sector. Learn to comprehend what you read.
thumbsup.gif


here is what he said:


"
I want the government to do what needs doing. If they can do it at a lower cost than I can do it on my own...I'm all for it

If I can get cheaper education through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it
If I can get cheaper healthcare through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it

We the people are a very large group. If we can get together and get better deals than the private sector is offering, then I am all for it"




He certainly implied that he thinks that govt can do some things better than private industry. We merely asked him for some examples.

But since neither of you can come up with any------------case closed
Yes, he said the government does some things "cheaper". He didn't say the government does things "better".

That you think "cheaper" implies "better" only serves to expose just how retarded you are; since better products and services are typically more expensive.

You're an idiot for thinking cheaper means better and Oldstyle is an idiot for thinking rightwinger said "better" when in fact he said, "cheaper."

As far as a list of services the government provides cheaper than the private sector, RW already gave some examples.


OK, then give us a list of things the govt does cheaper. He offered the USPS, LOL, are you really going to compare the USPS that loses milliions every year to the FedEx and UPS who make millions every year?

I already refuted his other claims. you can use 'better' or 'cheaper'. you still can't come up with a list.
 
So let me see if I follow your "logic" here...the rise of ISIS in Syria took place because Bush invaded Iraq years earlier? But Barry's complete lack of a Middle Eastern strategy (AKA "Leading From Behind") had nothing to do with it? Really, Faun?
Bush opened a can of worms when he destabilized the Middle East by invading Iraq. Bush is responsible for whatever crawls out.

So even though W. has been back at the ranch in Crawford chopping brush and riding his mountain bike while Barry did his whole "Leading From Behind" Middle Eastern policy...it's Bush who's responsible for how FUBARed things are? What has Obama been doing...diddling himself in the Oval Office? He supposedly came into office with a plan to fix both the economy and our foreign policy. So what are those plans? God knows he gave up trying to fix the economy years ago after his "stimulus" cratered so badly! "Shovel Ready" jobs anyone? So point out a trouble spot in the world where things are better now because of his LFB policies than they were when he took office! Russia? China? Syria? Afghanistan? Libya? France? Great Britain? Iran? Israel?
Bush fucked up the Middle East. He owns it.


the middle east has been fucked up for 3000 years. Bush isn't that old.
The Middle East was not fucked up like it is now.


No, it was much worse. There was constant war, raids, assassinations, rapes, coups, religious wars, and its still going on today. It would be going on if the USA had never set foot in the mid east. Although the Saudis and others would be living in tents rather than palaces thanks to the US oil companies.
 
got to congratulate you faun....you've got to be good combating these posters and sending their lies back at em
 
education: the federal government does not run schools. the dept of education is a total waste of money

healthcare: Duh, ever hear of the VA?

Infrastructure: our roads and bridges are falling apart. state and local toll roads are in excellent condition

public services: which ones? what public services does the federal government provide?

Transportation: LOL

The fact that Winger thinks Government does those things better than the Private Sector simply illustrates that Winger isn't very bright! Just saying...:dance:
Rightard Derangement Syndrome (RDS) rears its ugly head again...

rightwinger did not say the government does things better than the private sector. Learn to comprehend what you read.
thumbsup.gif


here is what he said:


"
I want the government to do what needs doing. If they can do it at a lower cost than I can do it on my own...I'm all for it

If I can get cheaper education through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it
If I can get cheaper healthcare through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it

We the people are a very large group. If we can get together and get better deals than the private sector is offering, then I am all for it"




He certainly implied that he thinks that govt can do some things better than private industry. We merely asked him for some examples.

But since neither of you can come up with any------------case closed
Yes, he said the government does some things "cheaper". He didn't say the government does things "better".

That you think "cheaper" implies "better" only serves to expose just how retarded you are; since better products and services are typically more expensive.

You're an idiot for thinking cheaper means better and Oldstyle is an idiot for thinking rightwinger said "better" when in fact he said, "cheaper."

As far as a list of services the government provides cheaper than the private sector, RW already gave some examples.


OK, then give us a list of things the govt does cheaper. He offered the USPS, LOL, are you really going to compare the USPS that loses milliions every year to the FedEx and UPS who make millions every year?

I already refuted his other claims. you can use 'better' or 'cheaper'. you still can't come up with a list.
He gave a list. And you refuted nothing as he never said they were better or even profitable.

He said they were "cheaper."

You can't refute that so here you are, trying to change what he said into something you can refute. What better evidence is needed that you already lost this argument?
 
got to congratulate you faun....you've got to be good combating these posters and sending their lies back at em


funny, since neither he, RW, you, or any other libs have been able to refute the truth.

Face it, your liberal ideology is a failure, your Kenyan messiah is a failure, and your female liar messiah is a failure.

liberalism is a failed idea. it has never worked and never will.
 
The fact that Winger thinks Government does those things better than the Private Sector simply illustrates that Winger isn't very bright! Just saying...:dance:
Rightard Derangement Syndrome (RDS) rears its ugly head again...

rightwinger did not say the government does things better than the private sector. Learn to comprehend what you read.
thumbsup.gif


here is what he said:


"
I want the government to do what needs doing. If they can do it at a lower cost than I can do it on my own...I'm all for it

If I can get cheaper education through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it
If I can get cheaper healthcare through the government than the private sector...I'm all for it

We the people are a very large group. If we can get together and get better deals than the private sector is offering, then I am all for it"




He certainly implied that he thinks that govt can do some things better than private industry. We merely asked him for some examples.

But since neither of you can come up with any------------case closed
Yes, he said the government does some things "cheaper". He didn't say the government does things "better".

That you think "cheaper" implies "better" only serves to expose just how retarded you are; since better products and services are typically more expensive.

You're an idiot for thinking cheaper means better and Oldstyle is an idiot for thinking rightwinger said "better" when in fact he said, "cheaper."

As far as a list of services the government provides cheaper than the private sector, RW already gave some examples.


OK, then give us a list of things the govt does cheaper. He offered the USPS, LOL, are you really going to compare the USPS that loses milliions every year to the FedEx and UPS who make millions every year?

I already refuted his other claims. you can use 'better' or 'cheaper'. you still can't come up with a list.
He gave a list. And you refuted nothing as he never said they were better or even profitable.

He said they were "cheaper."

You can't refute that so here you are, trying to change what he said into something you can refute. What better evidence is needed that you already lost this argument?


which one is cheaper when done by the federal government vs private industry? Just name one. When doing your calculations be sure to include the amount provided by our tax payments.
 
got to congratulate you faun....you've got to be good combating these posters and sending their lies back at em
It ain't really that difficult when those single-digit Neanderthals can't argue beyond their talking points.
 

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