The 800lb. Gorilla...

ForeverYoung436, et al,

This is because most people don't understand that AIPAC (The American Israel Public Affairs Committee) is a Congressional Lobby Effort (a paid activity in which special interests are promoted in Congress with $30B of activity annually).

Why is everything always put on AIPAC? AIPAC didn't kill 1400 ppl, and AIPAC didn't foolishly draw a line in the sand.
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AIPAC is not even one of the top 10 or even 20 lobbies.

LOBBYING Top Spenders

  • US Chamber of Commerce..............................$1,002,845,680
  • General Electric ................................................$294,040,000
  • American Medical Assn......................................$290,647,500
  • American Hospital Assn.....................................$245,049,385
  • Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America............$242,328,920
  • National Assn of Realtors..................................$237,499,713
  • AARP...............................................................$227,412,064
  • Blue Cross/Blue Shield......................................$215,484,202
  • Northrop Grumman...........................................$198,835,253
  • Exxon Mobil.....................................................$190,292,742
  • Boeing Co........................................................$179,592,310
  • Verizon Communications..................................$179,455,933
  • Edison Electric Institute...................................$178,096,789
  • Business Roundtable.......................................$176,780,000
  • Lockheed Martin..............................................$174,002,984
  • AT&T Inc........................................................$160,449,336
  • Southern Co....................................................$152,660,694
  • National Cable & Telecommunications Assn......$151,210,000
  • Altria Group....................................................$143,035,200
  • National Assn of Broadcasters.........................$140,280,000

Top 20 PAC Contributors to Candidates, 2013-2014


  • CLIENT...............................................................Total:.........% to DEMs & % to Repub
  • Northrop Grumman........................................$1,199,250.........37%..............63%
  • Operating Engineers Union............................$1,081,515..........78%..............22%
  • Honeywell International.................................$1,063,120.........43%..............57%
  • American Federation of Teachers......................$932,500.......100%................0%
  • Every Republican is Crucial PAC........................$875,000...........0%.............100%
  • AT&T Inc.........................................................$851,000.........35%...............65%
  • Credit Union National Assn...............................$774,250.........48%...............52%
  • National Beer Wholesalers Assn........................$759,500........45%...............55%
  • Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers................$745,700.......99%.................1%
  • American Crystal Sugar....................................$662,500........55%................45%
  • Home Depot....................................................$603,500........22% ................78%
  • Carpenters & Joiners Union..............................$603,000........63%.................37%
  • Lockheed Martin..............................................$599,500........33%.................67%
  • American Bankers Assn....................................$574,000........23%.................77%
  • Raytheon Co...................................................$572,700.........39%.................61%
  • Deloitte LLP....................................................$571,500.........35%.................64%
  • American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees......$563,000........100%.................0%
  • Boeing Co.......................................................$547,000...........31%...............69%
  • General Electric...............................................$546,500..........41%...............59%
  • Koch Industries...............................................$541,500............1%...............99%

A database search shows that as a lobby it had a very modest monetary impact. Yet, it is one of the most talked about influences.

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I think that most people simply do not know how influence peddling works in Washington. While the top lobbies give hundreds of millions of dollars, AIPAC only give $3M tops. There is a big difference between buying a Member of Congress, and being effective in the influence of Congress.

Fact is stranger than fiction. See OpenSecrets.Org.

Most Respectfully,
R
John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt · The Israel Lobby: the Israel Lobby · LRB 23 March 2006
Jewish Americans have set up an impressive array of organisations to influence American foreign policy, of which AIPAC is the most powerful and best known. In 1997, Fortune magazine asked members of Congress and their staffs to list the most powerful lobbies in Washington. AIPAC was ranked second behind the American Association of Retired People, but ahead of the AFL-CIO and the National Rifle Association. A National Journal study in March 2005 reached a similar conclusion, placing AIPAC in second place (tied with AARP) in the Washington ‘muscle rankings’.
 
Hoffstra, et al,

You are mixing Apples and Oranges.

this only includes lobbying by organizations.

what about donations by individuals?
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If you are going to condemn AIPAC, then it is an "organization" and not an "individual." If you are going to condemn "individuals" --- then don't confuse them with AIPAC.

So you are now claiming that it is individual political conscience that is making the difference. A willingness for people to standup and make a choice based on what they believe.

I'm not so sure that is a bad thing. What is wrong with that?

Most Respectfully,
R

Idiots confuse AIPAC with the entire Israeli lobby.

They forget about the ZOA and other Zionist groups.

And they forget about the very large individual political donations made by wealthy Zionists.

So it's all about money? Whoever pads the politicians pockets the most gets the favors? Maybe you can convince some of your super rich Arab friends to start doling out? Or just maybe the vast majority of American support Israel and want nothing to do with terrorists?
 
So it's all about money? Whoever pads the politicians pockets the most gets the favors? Maybe you can convince some of your super rich Arab friends to start doling out? Or just maybe the vast majority of American support Israel and want nothing to do with terrorists?

Money, Holocaust-guilt, Christian-fundies, Islamophobia, is the quadralateral union of pro-Israel lobbying.


but yes, as soon as Muslim and Arab Americans start making large donations to campaigns and can influence voter turnout, we will start hearing more balanced views on the Middle East.
 
Hoffstra, et al,

You are mixing Apples and Oranges.


(COMMENT)

If you are going to condemn AIPAC, then it is an "organization" and not an "individual." If you are going to condemn "individuals" --- then don't confuse them with AIPAC.

So you are now claiming that it is individual political conscience that is making the difference. A willingness for people to standup and make a choice based on what they believe.

I'm not so sure that is a bad thing. What is wrong with that?

Most Respectfully,
R

Idiots confuse AIPAC with the entire Israeli lobby.

They forget about the ZOA and other Zionist groups.

And they forget about the very large individual political donations made by wealthy Zionists.

So it's all about money? Whoever pads the politicians pockets the most gets the favors? Maybe you can convince some of your super rich Arab friends to start doling out? Or just maybe the vast majority of American support Israel and want nothing to do with terrorists?

It is all about money in America bought by the rich rather than the majorities' interests who pay with their blood in these ME inspired Wars...

Enough!
 
Hoffstra, et al,

I wouldn't count on that.

but yes, as soon as Muslim and Arab Americans start making large donations to campaigns and can influence voter turnout, we will start hearing more balanced views on the Middle East.
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It is more like when Arab deeds turn the corner, and they demonstrate that they are not Article 13 Jihadist, and they are not Article 10 Feday'een, then their reputation will begin to change and they will gain greater credibility.

But that is not likely to happen in my lifetime.

It is not about money; while that is an important aspect. It is about votes to candidates that have ideals that closely follow the voter. Pro-Israel votes are not made, they are driven to it as an alternative to the outrageous established patterns and the history of terrorist and criminal behaviors of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

PALESTINIAN DELEGATION THANKS OLYMPIC COMMITTEE FOR DENYING MOMENT OF SILENCE TO HONOR MURDERED ISRAELIS said:
The head of the Palestinian Olympic delegation has thanked the International Olympic Committee for denying, again, requests to hold a moment of silence to honor the 11 Israeli athletes murdered at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

In a letter sent Tuesday to IOC President Jacques Rogge, Jibril Rajoub said any show of solidarity with the victims would constitute “racism.” The Palestinian terror group Black September was responsible for the slayings.

SOURCE: The Blaze Jul. 26, 2012

Clearly, the Palestinian was embarrassed.

It is not rocket science.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Hoffstra, et al,

I wouldn't count on that.

but yes, as soon as Muslim and Arab Americans start making large donations to campaigns and can influence voter turnout, we will start hearing more balanced views on the Middle East.
(COMMENT)

It is more like when Arab deeds turn the corner, and they demonstrate that they are not Article 13 Jihadist, and they are not Article 10 Feday'een, then their reputation will begin to change and they will gain greater credibility.

But that is not likely to happen in my lifetime.

It is not about money; while that is an important aspect. It is about votes to candidates that have ideals that closely follow the voter. Pro-Israel votes are not made, they are driven to it as an alternative to the outrageous established patterns and the history of terrorist and criminal behaviors of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

PALESTINIAN DELEGATION THANKS OLYMPIC COMMITTEE FOR DENYING MOMENT OF SILENCE TO HONOR MURDERED ISRAELIS said:
The head of the Palestinian Olympic delegation has thanked the International Olympic Committee for denying, again, requests to hold a moment of silence to honor the 11 Israeli athletes murdered at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

In a letter sent Tuesday to IOC President Jacques Rogge, Jibril Rajoub said any show of solidarity with the victims would constitute “racism.” The Palestinian terror group Black September was responsible for the slayings.

SOURCE: The Blaze Jul. 26, 2012

Clearly, the Palestinian was embarrassed.

It is not rocket science.

Most Respectfully,
R
Clearly when the UN allowed 650,000 Jews to inflict their nation on 1.2 million Palestinians in 1948, the Rabid Zionist Occupiers (RZOs) weren't embarrassed. Why do you constantly whitewash Israel's Occupation of Palestine?
 
Why do you incessantly continue to prevaricate?

oh my God, look who's talking!!!!
Yeah, looks who's talking -- Miss Hoffstra who couldn't get off her porta potty all weekend because she had to type one post after another after another. Miss Hoffstra and Georgie Boy are birds of a feather -- they really don't care what is happening elsewhere unless they can somehow drag the Jews into the equation. Pastors having their throats slit in Nigeria, churches torched in Egypt, Christians and Hindus killed in Pakistan, etc. etc. is nothing to them.
 
Last week, Politico ran a story on the silence of Jewish pro-Israel lobby groups regarding U.S. intervention into Syria, with a focus on AIPAC.
So, is "AIPAC" silent in favor of the intervention, against the intervention, or just simply silent like silent?
AIPAC always works its political success in Silence...It is an arm of Israeli Politics...Israel wants intervention...what do you think?
That's why I like listening the "Neo Nazi Daily News".

It's always good news for Jews and Israel.

They control so much. At a snap of a finger the leaders of both parties and the president fall in line. It's amazing. Jews can even control the inner workings of your mind. LOL
 
Hoffstra, et al,

I wouldn't count on that.

but yes, as soon as Muslim and Arab Americans start making large donations to campaigns and can influence voter turnout, we will start hearing more balanced views on the Middle East.
(COMMENT)

It is more like when Arab deeds turn the corner, and they demonstrate that they are not Article 13 Jihadist, and they are not Article 10 Feday'een, then their reputation will begin to change and they will gain greater credibility.

But that is not likely to happen in my lifetime.

It is not about money; while that is an important aspect. It is about votes to candidates that have ideals that closely follow the voter. Pro-Israel votes are not made, they are driven to it as an alternative to the outrageous established patterns and the history of terrorist and criminal behaviors of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

PALESTINIAN DELEGATION THANKS OLYMPIC COMMITTEE FOR DENYING MOMENT OF SILENCE TO HONOR MURDERED ISRAELIS said:
The head of the Palestinian Olympic delegation has thanked the International Olympic Committee for denying, again, requests to hold a moment of silence to honor the 11 Israeli athletes murdered at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

In a letter sent Tuesday to IOC President Jacques Rogge, Jibril Rajoub said any show of solidarity with the victims would constitute “racism.” The Palestinian terror group Black September was responsible for the slayings.

SOURCE: The Blaze Jul. 26, 2012

Clearly, the Palestinian was embarrassed.

It is not rocket science.

Most Respectfully,
R
That's what I keep saying, but it falls on deaf ears. American politicians support Israel because Americans support Israel. The politicians are simply carrying out the will of the people.
 
Hoffstra, et al,

You are mixing Apples and Oranges.

this only includes lobbying by organizations.

what about donations by individuals?
(COMMENT)

If you are going to condemn AIPAC, then it is an "organization" and not an "individual." If you are going to condemn "individuals" --- then don't confuse them with AIPAC.

So you are now claiming that it is individual political conscience that is making the difference. A willingness for people to standup and make a choice based on what they believe.

I'm not so sure that is a bad thing. What is wrong with that?

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course it is rarely mentioned that the support Israel gets from the people is based on lies.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziSTY408h6k]Off the Charts - YouTube[/ame]
 
Hoffstra, et al,

I wouldn't count on that.

but yes, as soon as Muslim and Arab Americans start making large donations to campaigns and can influence voter turnout, we will start hearing more balanced views on the Middle East.
(COMMENT)

It is more like when Arab deeds turn the corner, and they demonstrate that they are not Article 13 Jihadist, and they are not Article 10 Feday'een, then their reputation will begin to change and they will gain greater credibility.

But that is not likely to happen in my lifetime.

It is not about money; while that is an important aspect. It is about votes to candidates that have ideals that closely follow the voter. Pro-Israel votes are not made, they are driven to it as an alternative to the outrageous established patterns and the history of terrorist and criminal behaviors of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

PALESTINIAN DELEGATION THANKS OLYMPIC COMMITTEE FOR DENYING MOMENT OF SILENCE TO HONOR MURDERED ISRAELIS said:
The head of the Palestinian Olympic delegation has thanked the International Olympic Committee for denying, again, requests to hold a moment of silence to honor the 11 Israeli athletes murdered at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

In a letter sent Tuesday to IOC President Jacques Rogge, Jibril Rajoub said any show of solidarity with the victims would constitute “racism.” The Palestinian terror group Black September was responsible for the slayings.

SOURCE: The Blaze Jul. 26, 2012

Clearly, the Palestinian was embarrassed.

It is not rocket science.

Most Respectfully,
R
That's what I keep saying, but it falls on deaf ears. American politicians support Israel because Americans support Israel. The politicians are simply carrying out the will of the people.

U.S. public opposes Syria intervention as Obama presses Congress | Reuters
Reuters) - President Barack Obama has failed so far to convince most Americans that the United States should launch a limited military strike against Syria in response to a suspected chemical weapons attack by the Syrian government, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Tuesday.

Some 56 percent of those surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria, while only 19 percent supported action, the online poll found. Some 25 percent said they did not know what course of action the United States should take.
 
That's what I keep saying, but it falls on deaf ears. American politicians support Israel because Americans support Israel. The politicians are simply carrying out the will of the people.

they foolishly think that the USA and Israel have shared values.

we surely do not.
 
So, is "AIPAC" silent in favor of the intervention, against the intervention, or just simply silent like silent?
AIPAC always works its political success in Silence...It is an arm of Israeli Politics...Israel wants intervention...what do you think?
That's why I like listening the "Neo Nazi Daily News".

It's always good news for Jews and Israel.

They control so much. At a snap of a finger the leaders of both parties and the president fall in line. It's amazing. Jews can even control the inner workings of your mind. LOL

Money talks, Bullshit walks...We need New Finance Reform Laws in this country to regain our Democracy lost to the 1%...

Our children die in Foreign Wars while the one percent thrives....
 
AIPAC always works its political success in Silence...It is an arm of Israeli Politics...Israel wants intervention...what do you think?
That's why I like listening the "Neo Nazi Daily News".

It's always good news for Jews and Israel.

They control so much. At a snap of a finger the leaders of both parties and the president fall in line. It's amazing. Jews can even control the inner workings of your mind. LOL

Money talks, Bullshit walks...We need New Finance Reform Laws in this country to regain our Democracy lost to the 1%...

Our children die in Foreign Wars while the one percent thrives....

Indeed, just another war to pack the pockets of the military industrial complex with our tax money. Not to mention what is to be stolen from the Syrians.

Libya had billions in gold. Who has it now?
 
That's why I like listening the "Neo Nazi Daily News".

It's always good news for Jews and Israel.

They control so much. At a snap of a finger the leaders of both parties and the president fall in line. It's amazing. Jews can even control the inner workings of your mind. LOL

Money talks, Bullshit walks...We need New Finance Reform Laws in this country to regain our Democracy lost to the 1%...

Our children die in Foreign Wars while the one percent thrives....

Indeed, just another war to pack the pockets of the military industrial complex with our tax money. Not to mention what is to be stolen from the Syrians.

Libya had billions in gold. Who has it now?

I am not for war with Syria. Let's not forget, though, that this whole thing started because Assad gassed his own ppl.
 
Money talks, Bullshit walks...We need New Finance Reform Laws in this country to regain our Democracy lost to the 1%...

Our children die in Foreign Wars while the one percent thrives....

Indeed, just another war to pack the pockets of the military industrial complex with our tax money. Not to mention what is to be stolen from the Syrians.

Libya had billions in gold. Who has it now?

I am not for war with Syria. Let's not forget, though, that this whole thing started because Assad gassed his own ppl.

Truth or propaganda?

We were lied into Iraq. We were lied into Libya. Can we follow a pattern?
 

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