The Clausewitz Failure

[Phoenall]

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947

Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.

Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?

B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

1. A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.

2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.

The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

3. On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

5. Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control, including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.

6. The Provisional Council of Government of each State acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.

7. The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.

8. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

This armed militia in each State shall, for operational purposes, be under the command of Jewish or Arab officers resident in that State, but general political and military control, including the choice of the militia's High Command, shall be exercised by the Commission.

9. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, not later than two months after the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, hold elections to the Constituent Assembly which shall be conducted on democratic lines.

The election regulations in each State shall be drawn up by the Provisional Council of Government and approved by the Commission. Qualified voters for each State for this election shall be persons over eighteen years of age who are: (a) Palestinian citizens residing in that State and (b) Arabs and Jews residing in the State, although not Palestinian citizens, who, before voting, have signed a notice of intention to become citizens of such State.

Arabs and Jews residing in the City of Jerusalem who have signed a notice of intention to become citizens, the Arabs of the Arab State and the Jews of the Jewish State, shall be entitled to vote in the Arab and Jewish States respectively.

Women may vote and be elected to the Constituent Assemblies.

During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.

10. The Constituent Assembly of each State shall draft a democratic constitution for its State and choose a provisional government to succeed the Provisional Council of Government appointed by the Commission. The constitutions of the States shall embody chapters 1 and 2 of the Declaration provided for in section C below and include inter alia provisions for:

(a) Establishing in each State a legislative body elected by universal suffrage and by secret ballot on the basis of proportional representation, and an executive body responsible to the legislature;

(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;

(e) Preserving freedom of transit and visit for all residents and citizens of the other State in Palestine and the City of Jerusalem, subject to considerations of national security, provided that each State shall control residence within its borders.

11. The Commission shall appoint a preparatory economic commission of three members to make whatever arrangements are possible for economic co-operation, with a view to establishing, as soon as practicable, the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board, as provided in section D below.

12. During the period between the adoption of the recommendations on the question of Palestine by the General Assembly and the termination of the Mandate, the mandatory Power in Palestine shall maintain full responsibility for administration in areas from which it has not withdrawn its armed forces. The Commission shall assist the mandatory Power in the carrying out of these functions. Similarly the mandatory Power shall co-operate with the Commission in the execution of its functions.

13. With a view to ensuring that there shall be continuity in the functioning of administrative services and that, on the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, the whole administration shall be in the charge of the Provisional Councils and the Joint Economic Board, respectively, acting under the Commission, there shall be a progressive transfer, from the mandatory Power to the Commission, of responsibility for all the functions of government, including that of maintaining law and order in the areas from which the forces of the mandatory Power have been withdrawn.

14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.

The Commission shall render periodic monthly progress reports, or more frequently if desirable, to the Security Council.

15. The Commission shall make its final report to the next regular session of the General Assembly and to the Security Council simultaneously.

No link given to verify your words, knowing as we do that you have a habit of altering them to suit your POV




But if you have read this you will know that it negates 99% of your ramblings and claims starting with this

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.


So only one nation need accept for it to be legitimate



During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.



So the asrab muslims are in breach of this article and should be evicted to an islamonazi nation.


(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;



Another set of aspect's the arab muslims are in breach of


IF AS I SUSPECT YOU WILL USE THE DENIAL OF THE ARAB MUSLIMS TO ACCEPT 181 AS REASONS NOT TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT THEN YOU AND THEY CANT USE 181 FOR ANY PURPOSE

 

[Phoenall]

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947

Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.

Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?

B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

1. A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.

2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.

The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

3. On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

5. Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control, including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.

6. The Provisional Council of Government of each State acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.

7. The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.

8. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

This armed militia in each State shall, for operational purposes, be under the command of Jewish or Arab officers resident in that State, but general political and military control, including the choice of the militia's High Command, shall be exercised by the Commission.

9. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, not later than two months after the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, hold elections to the Constituent Assembly which shall be conducted on democratic lines.

The election regulations in each State shall be drawn up by the Provisional Council of Government and approved by the Commission. Qualified voters for each State for this election shall be persons over eighteen years of age who are: (a) Palestinian citizens residing in that State and (b) Arabs and Jews residing in the State, although not Palestinian citizens, who, before voting, have signed a notice of intention to become citizens of such State.

Arabs and Jews residing in the City of Jerusalem who have signed a notice of intention to become citizens, the Arabs of the Arab State and the Jews of the Jewish State, shall be entitled to vote in the Arab and Jewish States respectively.

Women may vote and be elected to the Constituent Assemblies.

During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.

10. The Constituent Assembly of each State shall draft a democratic constitution for its State and choose a provisional government to succeed the Provisional Council of Government appointed by the Commission. The constitutions of the States shall embody chapters 1 and 2 of the Declaration provided for in section C below and include inter alia provisions for:

(a) Establishing in each State a legislative body elected by universal suffrage and by secret ballot on the basis of proportional representation, and an executive body responsible to the legislature;

(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;

(e) Preserving freedom of transit and visit for all residents and citizens of the other State in Palestine and the City of Jerusalem, subject to considerations of national security, provided that each State shall control residence within its borders.

11. The Commission shall appoint a preparatory economic commission of three members to make whatever arrangements are possible for economic co-operation, with a view to establishing, as soon as practicable, the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board, as provided in section D below.

12. During the period between the adoption of the recommendations on the question of Palestine by the General Assembly and the termination of the Mandate, the mandatory Power in Palestine shall maintain full responsibility for administration in areas from which it has not withdrawn its armed forces. The Commission shall assist the mandatory Power in the carrying out of these functions. Similarly the mandatory Power shall co-operate with the Commission in the execution of its functions.

13. With a view to ensuring that there shall be continuity in the functioning of administrative services and that, on the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, the whole administration shall be in the charge of the Provisional Councils and the Joint Economic Board, respectively, acting under the Commission, there shall be a progressive transfer, from the mandatory Power to the Commission, of responsibility for all the functions of government, including that of maintaining law and order in the areas from which the forces of the mandatory Power have been withdrawn.

14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.

The Commission shall render periodic monthly progress reports, or more frequently if desirable, to the Security Council.

15. The Commission shall make its final report to the next regular session of the General Assembly and to the Security Council simultaneously.

Is there a reason why you're cutting and pasting half the contents of the Internet?

Because I was requested to do so.

Try again as you were asked to provide a link to support your claims, and you failed because the cut and paste negates most of your cklqaims

 

[Phoenall]

You refuted nothing. You made no case for your ".... because I say so", comment.

It is all over the place. Interesting that you know nothing about it.

Oh that's right, it is not mentioned in Israeli propaganda which is your only source of information.

Nice dodge™

You also shuffled off when you were taken to task for your silly "Pal'istanians are calling for peace", nonsense.

Nice dodge™

It is not a dodge, You should know these things. It is in the relevant documents like the Treaty of Lausanne, the Palestinian citizenship order, Resolution 181, and several UN resolutions. You should be familiar with these documents if you intend to post more than Israeli talking points.

Nice dodge™

Indeed, you are again dodging. Where are the "Pal'istanians are calling for peace"?

Whose version of peace are you talking about?

The universally accepted version of course, that Israel has proven they are capable of accepting and enforcing

 

[P F Tinmore]

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947

Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.

Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?

B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

1. A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.

2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.

The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

3. On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

5. Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control, including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.

6. The Provisional Council of Government of each State acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.

7. The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.

8. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

This armed militia in each State shall, for operational purposes, be under the command of Jewish or Arab officers resident in that State, but general political and military control, including the choice of the militia's High Command, shall be exercised by the Commission.

9. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, not later than two months after the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, hold elections to the Constituent Assembly which shall be conducted on democratic lines.

The election regulations in each State shall be drawn up by the Provisional Council of Government and approved by the Commission. Qualified voters for each State for this election shall be persons over eighteen years of age who are: (a) Palestinian citizens residing in that State and (b) Arabs and Jews residing in the State, although not Palestinian citizens, who, before voting, have signed a notice of intention to become citizens of such State.

Arabs and Jews residing in the City of Jerusalem who have signed a notice of intention to become citizens, the Arabs of the Arab State and the Jews of the Jewish State, shall be entitled to vote in the Arab and Jewish States respectively.

Women may vote and be elected to the Constituent Assemblies.

During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.

10. The Constituent Assembly of each State shall draft a democratic constitution for its State and choose a provisional government to succeed the Provisional Council of Government appointed by the Commission. The constitutions of the States shall embody chapters 1 and 2 of the Declaration provided for in section C below and include inter alia provisions for:

(a) Establishing in each State a legislative body elected by universal suffrage and by secret ballot on the basis of proportional representation, and an executive body responsible to the legislature;

(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;

(e) Preserving freedom of transit and visit for all residents and citizens of the other State in Palestine and the City of Jerusalem, subject to considerations of national security, provided that each State shall control residence within its borders.

11. The Commission shall appoint a preparatory economic commission of three members to make whatever arrangements are possible for economic co-operation, with a view to establishing, as soon as practicable, the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board, as provided in section D below.

12. During the period between the adoption of the recommendations on the question of Palestine by the General Assembly and the termination of the Mandate, the mandatory Power in Palestine shall maintain full responsibility for administration in areas from which it has not withdrawn its armed forces. The Commission shall assist the mandatory Power in the carrying out of these functions. Similarly the mandatory Power shall co-operate with the Commission in the execution of its functions.

13. With a view to ensuring that there shall be continuity in the functioning of administrative services and that, on the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, the whole administration shall be in the charge of the Provisional Councils and the Joint Economic Board, respectively, acting under the Commission, there shall be a progressive transfer, from the mandatory Power to the Commission, of responsibility for all the functions of government, including that of maintaining law and order in the areas from which the forces of the mandatory Power have been withdrawn.

14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.

The Commission shall render periodic monthly progress reports, or more frequently if desirable, to the Security Council.

15. The Commission shall make its final report to the next regular session of the General Assembly and to the Security Council simultaneously.

No link given to verify your words, knowing as we do that you have a habit of altering them to suit your POV




But if you have read this you will know that it negates 99% of your ramblings and claims starting with this

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.


So only one nation need accept for it to be legitimate



During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.



So the asrab muslims are in breach of this article and should be evicted to an islamonazi nation.


(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;



Another set of aspect's the arab muslims are in breach of


IF AS I SUSPECT YOU WILL USE THE DENIAL OF THE ARAB MUSLIMS TO ACCEPT 181 AS REASONS NOT TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT THEN YOU AND THEY CANT USE 181 FOR ANY PURPOSE

You are taking things out of context. That is why the massive paste. The content has to be taken as a whole.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore et al,

This is utterly absurd.

The acceptance or rejection of the recommendation of one by one party has no impact on the acceptance or rejection by the other.

Yes it does. You seem to forget what it was that was to be partitioned.

According to the UN the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity. The partition of Palestine requires their consent.

(COMMENT)

The Partition can go in place. And no where does it say that the Palestinians must consent before the Israelis can exercise their right.

The idea to territorial integrity only applies to those people who had a territory to start with.

Most Respectfully
R

Now you are back to Israeli talking points.

Who says they do not have territory?

Link?

International laws for starters, and the about face they did in 1988 when they went begging to the UN to accept them under the mantle of the PLO

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is all over the place. Interesting that you know nothing about it.

Oh that's right, it is not mentioned in Israeli propaganda which is your only source of information.

Nice dodge™

You also shuffled off when you were taken to task for your silly "Pal'istanians are calling for peace", nonsense.

Nice dodge™

It is not a dodge, You should know these things. It is in the relevant documents like the Treaty of Lausanne, the Palestinian citizenship order, Resolution 181, and several UN resolutions. You should be familiar with these documents if you intend to post more than Israeli talking points.

Nice dodge™

Indeed, you are again dodging. Where are the "Pal'istanians are calling for peace"?

Whose version of peace are you talking about?

The universally accepted version of course, that Israel has proven they are capable of accepting and enforcing

Do you mean like Israel parking its fat ass on someone else's land with a gun and claiming it to be theirs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore et al,

This is utterly absurd.

The acceptance or rejection of the recommendation of one by one party has no impact on the acceptance or rejection by the other.

Yes it does. You seem to forget what it was that was to be partitioned.

According to the UN the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity. The partition of Palestine requires their consent.

(COMMENT)

The Partition can go in place. And no where does it say that the Palestinians must consent before the Israelis can exercise their right.

The idea to territorial integrity only applies to those people who had a territory to start with.

Most Respectfully
R

Now you are back to Israeli talking points.

Who says they do not have territory?

Link?

International laws for starters, and the about face they did in 1988 when they went begging to the UN to accept them under the mantle of the PLO

Back to Israeli talking points, I see.

Where is your proof?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it does. But not to the exclusion of all other.

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights; A/RES/49/148 (1994)

Indeed, and the UN stated that the Palestinians are such people.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that it says ""all peoples, including those ..." --- Notice it doe not say that the Israelis are excluded. I notice that in in the 1947 Resolution did not say that the Jewish state that was proposed did not have self-determination as a right.

Nowhere does it say that the Israelis have less rights as the Arab Palestinians. Please try to put more than the eight words you've bolded into the complete thought (the salient point)..

Most Respectfully,
R

Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination​

Indeed.
The French have self determination in France.
The British have self determination in Britain.
The Palestinians have self determination in Palestine.
The Jews have self determination in...ah...er...they are the colonial, foreign and alien domination.

WRONG the palestinian's being the Jews from when the Roman's named them until 1960 when arafat stole the name have self determination in 22% of palestine. The arab muslims now using the name having no legal claim to that 22% only have what Jordan will allow them to have. They have no defined territory, no functioning government and no self determination because they dont want the hassle



STOP SLIMING THE JEWS AND DENYING THEM THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR NATIONAL HOME AND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED AND COVERED BY INTERNATIONAL LAWS. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS BY THEIR VERY NAME SAYS THEY ARE A COLONIAL, FOREIGN AND ALIEN DOMINATION

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it does. But not to the exclusion of all other.

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights; A/RES/49/148 (1994)

Indeed, and the UN stated that the Palestinians are such people.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that it says ""all peoples, including those ..." --- Notice it doe not say that the Israelis are excluded. I notice that in in the 1947 Resolution did not say that the Jewish state that was proposed did not have self-determination as a right.

Nowhere does it say that the Israelis have less rights as the Arab Palestinians. Please try to put more than the eight words you've bolded into the complete thought (the salient point)..

Most Respectfully,
R

Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination​

Indeed.
The French have self determination in France.
The British have self determination in Britain.
The Palestinians have self determination in Palestine.
The Jews have self determination in...ah...er...they are the colonial, foreign and alien domination.

WRONG the palestinian's being the Jews from when the Roman's named them until 1960 when arafat stole the name have self determination in 22% of palestine. The arab muslims now using the name having no legal claim to that 22% only have what Jordan will allow them to have. They have no defined territory, no functioning government and no self determination because they dont want the hassle



STOP SLIMING THE JEWS AND DENYING THEM THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR NATIONAL HOME AND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED AND COVERED BY INTERNATIONAL LAWS. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS BY THEIR VERY NAME SAYS THEY ARE A COLONIAL, FOREIGN AND ALIEN DOMINATION

Oh my, more Israeli talking points.

 

[Phoenall]

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947

Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.

Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?

B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

1. A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.

2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.

The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

3. On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

5. Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control, including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.

6. The Provisional Council of Government of each State acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.

7. The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.

8. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

This armed militia in each State shall, for operational purposes, be under the command of Jewish or Arab officers resident in that State, but general political and military control, including the choice of the militia's High Command, shall be exercised by the Commission.

9. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, not later than two months after the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, hold elections to the Constituent Assembly which shall be conducted on democratic lines.

The election regulations in each State shall be drawn up by the Provisional Council of Government and approved by the Commission. Qualified voters for each State for this election shall be persons over eighteen years of age who are: (a) Palestinian citizens residing in that State and (b) Arabs and Jews residing in the State, although not Palestinian citizens, who, before voting, have signed a notice of intention to become citizens of such State.

Arabs and Jews residing in the City of Jerusalem who have signed a notice of intention to become citizens, the Arabs of the Arab State and the Jews of the Jewish State, shall be entitled to vote in the Arab and Jewish States respectively.

Women may vote and be elected to the Constituent Assemblies.

During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.

10. The Constituent Assembly of each State shall draft a democratic constitution for its State and choose a provisional government to succeed the Provisional Council of Government appointed by the Commission. The constitutions of the States shall embody chapters 1 and 2 of the Declaration provided for in section C below and include inter alia provisions for:

(a) Establishing in each State a legislative body elected by universal suffrage and by secret ballot on the basis of proportional representation, and an executive body responsible to the legislature;

(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;

(e) Preserving freedom of transit and visit for all residents and citizens of the other State in Palestine and the City of Jerusalem, subject to considerations of national security, provided that each State shall control residence within its borders.

11. The Commission shall appoint a preparatory economic commission of three members to make whatever arrangements are possible for economic co-operation, with a view to establishing, as soon as practicable, the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board, as provided in section D below.

12. During the period between the adoption of the recommendations on the question of Palestine by the General Assembly and the termination of the Mandate, the mandatory Power in Palestine shall maintain full responsibility for administration in areas from which it has not withdrawn its armed forces. The Commission shall assist the mandatory Power in the carrying out of these functions. Similarly the mandatory Power shall co-operate with the Commission in the execution of its functions.

13. With a view to ensuring that there shall be continuity in the functioning of administrative services and that, on the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, the whole administration shall be in the charge of the Provisional Councils and the Joint Economic Board, respectively, acting under the Commission, there shall be a progressive transfer, from the mandatory Power to the Commission, of responsibility for all the functions of government, including that of maintaining law and order in the areas from which the forces of the mandatory Power have been withdrawn.

14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.

The Commission shall render periodic monthly progress reports, or more frequently if desirable, to the Security Council.

15. The Commission shall make its final report to the next regular session of the General Assembly and to the Security Council simultaneously.

No link given to verify your words, knowing as we do that you have a habit of altering them to suit your POV




But if you have read this you will know that it negates 99% of your ramblings and claims starting with this

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.


So only one nation need accept for it to be legitimate



During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.



So the asrab muslims are in breach of this article and should be evicted to an islamonazi nation.


(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;



Another set of aspect's the arab muslims are in breach of


IF AS I SUSPECT YOU WILL USE THE DENIAL OF THE ARAB MUSLIMS TO ACCEPT 181 AS REASONS NOT TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT THEN YOU AND THEY CANT USE 181 FOR ANY PURPOSE

You are taking things out of context. That is why the massive paste. The content has to be taken as a whole.

Where does it say that in the cut and paste. Each point is valid in itself so each point can be taken to be in full and proper context.


YOU LOSE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU DONT READ WHAT YOU POST

 

[Hollie]

Nice dodge™

You also shuffled off when you were taken to task for your silly "Pal'istanians are calling for peace", nonsense.

Nice dodge™

It is not a dodge, You should know these things. It is in the relevant documents like the Treaty of Lausanne, the Palestinian citizenship order, Resolution 181, and several UN resolutions. You should be familiar with these documents if you intend to post more than Israeli talking points.

Nice dodge™

Indeed, you are again dodging. Where are the "Pal'istanians are calling for peace"?

Whose version of peace are you talking about?

The universally accepted version of course, that Israel has proven they are capable of accepting and enforcing

Do you mean like Israel parking its fat ass on someone else's land with a gun and claiming it to be theirs.

The Pal'istanians had no land.

The Ottoman occupiers released all rights and title to the geographic area called Pal'istan.

You insist that the geographic land area called Pal'istan was something it was not.

Your invention of some "country of Pal'istan" that existed (and exists) in your imagination is the cause of much of your befuddlement.

 

[Phoenall]

Nice dodge™

You also shuffled off when you were taken to task for your silly "Pal'istanians are calling for peace", nonsense.

Nice dodge™

It is not a dodge, You should know these things. It is in the relevant documents like the Treaty of Lausanne, the Palestinian citizenship order, Resolution 181, and several UN resolutions. You should be familiar with these documents if you intend to post more than Israeli talking points.

Nice dodge™

Indeed, you are again dodging. Where are the "Pal'istanians are calling for peace"?

Whose version of peace are you talking about?

The universally accepted version of course, that Israel has proven they are capable of accepting and enforcing

Do you mean like Israel parking its fat ass on someone else's land with a gun and claiming it to be theirs.

WHEN DID IT BECOME " SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND " THEN. AS INTERNATIONAL LAWS CLEARLY STATE IT IS FOR THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME. AND YOUR CUT AND PASTE SAYS THE ARAB MUSLIMS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE.

If there was a nation of palestine the UN would have given all the land to the arab muslims and told the Jews to start running for their lives



From your C&P



During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore et al,

This is utterly absurd.

The acceptance or rejection of the recommendation of one by one party has no impact on the acceptance or rejection by the other.

Yes it does. You seem to forget what it was that was to be partitioned.

According to the UN the Palestinians have the right to territorial integrity. The partition of Palestine requires their consent.

(COMMENT)

The Partition can go in place. And no where does it say that the Palestinians must consent before the Israelis can exercise their right.

The idea to territorial integrity only applies to those people who had a territory to start with.

Most Respectfully
R

Now you are back to Israeli talking points.

Who says they do not have territory?

Link?

International laws for starters, and the about face they did in 1988 when they went begging to the UN to accept them under the mantle of the PLO

Back to Israeli talking points, I see.

Where is your proof?

What Israeli talking points are those, have you stopped taking your meds again ?


I have given you International laws thousands of times and you just ignore them because they support and defend the Jews and their actions

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it does. But not to the exclusion of all other.

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights; A/RES/49/148 (1994)

Indeed, and the UN stated that the Palestinians are such people.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that it says ""all peoples, including those ..." --- Notice it doe not say that the Israelis are excluded. I notice that in in the 1947 Resolution did not say that the Jewish state that was proposed did not have self-determination as a right.

Nowhere does it say that the Israelis have less rights as the Arab Palestinians. Please try to put more than the eight words you've bolded into the complete thought (the salient point)..

Most Respectfully,
R

Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination​

Indeed.
The French have self determination in France.
The British have self determination in Britain.
The Palestinians have self determination in Palestine.
The Jews have self determination in...ah...er...they are the colonial, foreign and alien domination.

WRONG the palestinian's being the Jews from when the Roman's named them until 1960 when arafat stole the name have self determination in 22% of palestine. The arab muslims now using the name having no legal claim to that 22% only have what Jordan will allow them to have. They have no defined territory, no functioning government and no self determination because they dont want the hassle



STOP SLIMING THE JEWS AND DENYING THEM THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR NATIONAL HOME AND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED AND COVERED BY INTERNATIONAL LAWS. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS BY THEIR VERY NAME SAYS THEY ARE A COLONIAL, FOREIGN AND ALIEN DOMINATION

Oh my, more Israeli talking points.

What Israeli talking points. My post is universally accepted as true and reality, it is lifted from non partisan historical records

 

[P F Tinmore]

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947

Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.

Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?

B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

1. A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.

2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.

The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

3. On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

5. Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control, including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.

6. The Provisional Council of Government of each State acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.

7. The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.

8. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

This armed militia in each State shall, for operational purposes, be under the command of Jewish or Arab officers resident in that State, but general political and military control, including the choice of the militia's High Command, shall be exercised by the Commission.

9. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, not later than two months after the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, hold elections to the Constituent Assembly which shall be conducted on democratic lines.

The election regulations in each State shall be drawn up by the Provisional Council of Government and approved by the Commission. Qualified voters for each State for this election shall be persons over eighteen years of age who are: (a) Palestinian citizens residing in that State and (b) Arabs and Jews residing in the State, although not Palestinian citizens, who, before voting, have signed a notice of intention to become citizens of such State.

Arabs and Jews residing in the City of Jerusalem who have signed a notice of intention to become citizens, the Arabs of the Arab State and the Jews of the Jewish State, shall be entitled to vote in the Arab and Jewish States respectively.

Women may vote and be elected to the Constituent Assemblies.

During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.

10. The Constituent Assembly of each State shall draft a democratic constitution for its State and choose a provisional government to succeed the Provisional Council of Government appointed by the Commission. The constitutions of the States shall embody chapters 1 and 2 of the Declaration provided for in section C below and include inter alia provisions for:

(a) Establishing in each State a legislative body elected by universal suffrage and by secret ballot on the basis of proportional representation, and an executive body responsible to the legislature;

(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;

(e) Preserving freedom of transit and visit for all residents and citizens of the other State in Palestine and the City of Jerusalem, subject to considerations of national security, provided that each State shall control residence within its borders.

11. The Commission shall appoint a preparatory economic commission of three members to make whatever arrangements are possible for economic co-operation, with a view to establishing, as soon as practicable, the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board, as provided in section D below.

12. During the period between the adoption of the recommendations on the question of Palestine by the General Assembly and the termination of the Mandate, the mandatory Power in Palestine shall maintain full responsibility for administration in areas from which it has not withdrawn its armed forces. The Commission shall assist the mandatory Power in the carrying out of these functions. Similarly the mandatory Power shall co-operate with the Commission in the execution of its functions.

13. With a view to ensuring that there shall be continuity in the functioning of administrative services and that, on the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, the whole administration shall be in the charge of the Provisional Councils and the Joint Economic Board, respectively, acting under the Commission, there shall be a progressive transfer, from the mandatory Power to the Commission, of responsibility for all the functions of government, including that of maintaining law and order in the areas from which the forces of the mandatory Power have been withdrawn.

14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.

The Commission shall render periodic monthly progress reports, or more frequently if desirable, to the Security Council.

15. The Commission shall make its final report to the next regular session of the General Assembly and to the Security Council simultaneously.

No link given to verify your words, knowing as we do that you have a habit of altering them to suit your POV




But if you have read this you will know that it negates 99% of your ramblings and claims starting with this

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.


So only one nation need accept for it to be legitimate



During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.



So the asrab muslims are in breach of this article and should be evicted to an islamonazi nation.


(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;



Another set of aspect's the arab muslims are in breach of


IF AS I SUSPECT YOU WILL USE THE DENIAL OF THE ARAB MUSLIMS TO ACCEPT 181 AS REASONS NOT TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT THEN YOU AND THEY CANT USE 181 FOR ANY PURPOSE

You are taking things out of context. That is why the massive paste. The content has to be taken as a whole.

Where does it say that in the cut and paste. Each point is valid in itself so each point can be taken to be in full and proper context.


YOU LOSE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU DONT READ WHAT YOU POST

Not so, and you gave a good example.

During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.​

What do you think that means out of context?

 

[Phoenall]

It is not a dodge, You should know these things. It is in the relevant documents like the Treaty of Lausanne, the Palestinian citizenship order, Resolution 181, and several UN resolutions. You should be familiar with these documents if you intend to post more than Israeli talking points.

Nice dodge™

Indeed, you are again dodging. Where are the "Pal'istanians are calling for peace"?

Whose version of peace are you talking about?

The universally accepted version of course, that Israel has proven they are capable of accepting and enforcing

Do you mean like Israel parking its fat ass on someone else's land with a gun and claiming it to be theirs.

The Pal'istanians had no land.

The Ottoman occupiers released all rights and title to the geographic area called Pal'istan.

You insist that the geographic land area called Pal'istan was something it was not.

Your invention of some "country of Pal'istan" that existed (and exists) in your imagination is the cause of much of your befuddlement.

I must take you to task here as it was the ottomans and their allies that gave up all title to the lands. The mufti and his followers were allies of the Ottoman Empire ( now calling themselves palestinians )

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it does. But not to the exclusion of all other.

Indeed, and the UN stated that the Palestinians are such people.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that it says ""all peoples, including those ..." --- Notice it doe not say that the Israelis are excluded. I notice that in in the 1947 Resolution did not say that the Jewish state that was proposed did not have self-determination as a right.

Nowhere does it say that the Israelis have less rights as the Arab Palestinians. Please try to put more than the eight words you've bolded into the complete thought (the salient point)..

Most Respectfully,
R

Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination​

Indeed.
The French have self determination in France.
The British have self determination in Britain.
The Palestinians have self determination in Palestine.
The Jews have self determination in...ah...er...they are the colonial, foreign and alien domination.

WRONG the palestinian's being the Jews from when the Roman's named them until 1960 when arafat stole the name have self determination in 22% of palestine. The arab muslims now using the name having no legal claim to that 22% only have what Jordan will allow them to have. They have no defined territory, no functioning government and no self determination because they dont want the hassle



STOP SLIMING THE JEWS AND DENYING THEM THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR NATIONAL HOME AND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED AND COVERED BY INTERNATIONAL LAWS. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS BY THEIR VERY NAME SAYS THEY ARE A COLONIAL, FOREIGN AND ALIEN DOMINATION

Oh my, more Israeli talking points.

What Israeli talking points. My post is universally accepted as true and reality, it is lifted from non partisan historical records

Which, of course, have no link.

 

[Phoenall]

Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.

Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?

B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

1. A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.

2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.

The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

3. On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

5. Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control, including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.

6. The Provisional Council of Government of each State acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.

7. The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.

8. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

This armed militia in each State shall, for operational purposes, be under the command of Jewish or Arab officers resident in that State, but general political and military control, including the choice of the militia's High Command, shall be exercised by the Commission.

9. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, not later than two months after the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, hold elections to the Constituent Assembly which shall be conducted on democratic lines.

The election regulations in each State shall be drawn up by the Provisional Council of Government and approved by the Commission. Qualified voters for each State for this election shall be persons over eighteen years of age who are: (a) Palestinian citizens residing in that State and (b) Arabs and Jews residing in the State, although not Palestinian citizens, who, before voting, have signed a notice of intention to become citizens of such State.

Arabs and Jews residing in the City of Jerusalem who have signed a notice of intention to become citizens, the Arabs of the Arab State and the Jews of the Jewish State, shall be entitled to vote in the Arab and Jewish States respectively.

Women may vote and be elected to the Constituent Assemblies.

During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.

10. The Constituent Assembly of each State shall draft a democratic constitution for its State and choose a provisional government to succeed the Provisional Council of Government appointed by the Commission. The constitutions of the States shall embody chapters 1 and 2 of the Declaration provided for in section C below and include inter alia provisions for:

(a) Establishing in each State a legislative body elected by universal suffrage and by secret ballot on the basis of proportional representation, and an executive body responsible to the legislature;

(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;

(e) Preserving freedom of transit and visit for all residents and citizens of the other State in Palestine and the City of Jerusalem, subject to considerations of national security, provided that each State shall control residence within its borders.

11. The Commission shall appoint a preparatory economic commission of three members to make whatever arrangements are possible for economic co-operation, with a view to establishing, as soon as practicable, the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board, as provided in section D below.

12. During the period between the adoption of the recommendations on the question of Palestine by the General Assembly and the termination of the Mandate, the mandatory Power in Palestine shall maintain full responsibility for administration in areas from which it has not withdrawn its armed forces. The Commission shall assist the mandatory Power in the carrying out of these functions. Similarly the mandatory Power shall co-operate with the Commission in the execution of its functions.

13. With a view to ensuring that there shall be continuity in the functioning of administrative services and that, on the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, the whole administration shall be in the charge of the Provisional Councils and the Joint Economic Board, respectively, acting under the Commission, there shall be a progressive transfer, from the mandatory Power to the Commission, of responsibility for all the functions of government, including that of maintaining law and order in the areas from which the forces of the mandatory Power have been withdrawn.

14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.

The Commission shall render periodic monthly progress reports, or more frequently if desirable, to the Security Council.

15. The Commission shall make its final report to the next regular session of the General Assembly and to the Security Council simultaneously.

No link given to verify your words, knowing as we do that you have a habit of altering them to suit your POV




But if you have read this you will know that it negates 99% of your ramblings and claims starting with this

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.


So only one nation need accept for it to be legitimate



During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.



So the asrab muslims are in breach of this article and should be evicted to an islamonazi nation.


(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;



Another set of aspect's the arab muslims are in breach of


IF AS I SUSPECT YOU WILL USE THE DENIAL OF THE ARAB MUSLIMS TO ACCEPT 181 AS REASONS NOT TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT THEN YOU AND THEY CANT USE 181 FOR ANY PURPOSE

You are taking things out of context. That is why the massive paste. The content has to be taken as a whole.

Where does it say that in the cut and paste. Each point is valid in itself so each point can be taken to be in full and proper context.


YOU LOSE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU DONT READ WHAT YOU POST

Not so, and you gave a good example.

During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.​

What do you think that means out of context?

Depends on who is reading the words, you would not see the part that excludes the arab muslims from Israeli lands, and would therefore claim that the Jews were there illegally under 181. You would further add that the arab muslims have the right to use any illegal methods to remove the Jews from the land as 181 say so.


Arguments you have used in the past when putting your own slant on reports and treaties. Like removing the words mandate of palestine so it looks like there was a nation in 1923

 

[P F Tinmore]

AS INTERNATIONAL LAWS CLEARLY STATE IT IS FOR THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME.

Indeed, and that was not a land transfer it was citizenship in Palestine along with the other citizens.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it does. But not to the exclusion of all other.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that it says ""all peoples, including those ..." --- Notice it doe not say that the Israelis are excluded. I notice that in in the 1947 Resolution did not say that the Jewish state that was proposed did not have self-determination as a right.

Nowhere does it say that the Israelis have less rights as the Arab Palestinians. Please try to put more than the eight words you've bolded into the complete thought (the salient point)..

Most Respectfully,
R

Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination​

Indeed.
The French have self determination in France.
The British have self determination in Britain.
The Palestinians have self determination in Palestine.
The Jews have self determination in...ah...er...they are the colonial, foreign and alien domination.

WRONG the palestinian's being the Jews from when the Roman's named them until 1960 when arafat stole the name have self determination in 22% of palestine. The arab muslims now using the name having no legal claim to that 22% only have what Jordan will allow them to have. They have no defined territory, no functioning government and no self determination because they dont want the hassle



STOP SLIMING THE JEWS AND DENYING THEM THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR NATIONAL HOME AND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED AND COVERED BY INTERNATIONAL LAWS. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS BY THEIR VERY NAME SAYS THEY ARE A COLONIAL, FOREIGN AND ALIEN DOMINATION

Oh my, more Israeli talking points.

What Israeli talking points. My post is universally accepted as true and reality, it is lifted from non partisan historical records

Which, of course, have no link.

Origin of the Name Palestine

TRUTH ABOUT ARAFAT AND PALESTINIANS

Then I point to your recent C&P that said the same things