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Of course you realize that all Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. That means that they have the right to live in their place of residence and to not be stripped of their land.P F Tinmore, et al,
The Arab prevented this themselves.
There is a reasonableness in the actual ability to implement process that were interrupted by the outbreak of hostilities.
(COMMENT)There are many items in Resolution 181.During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7F0AF2BD897689B785256C330061D253
You cannot repatriate hostile parties that have pledge war.
The Palestinians in Hostile contact, did not exchange recognition until the Oslo Accords. However, the Palestinians all have stated that Jihad and armed conflict is the only solution. It is as true today as it was in 1948. The right-of-return concept presupposes that the repatriation act does not endanger the stability and internal security of the Jewish state. That is not self evident.
Palestinian citizens residing in sovereignty of Israel, outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence Israel, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.
Most Respectfully,
R
Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples ... to self-determination
If the partition of Palestine was rejected and never implemented, partitioning Palestine by force is an act of aggression.P F Tinmore, et al,
The act of acceptance by the Jewish is not aggression, but self-determination under the guidance of the UN.
(COMMENT)Attempting to enforce a rejected resolution was the first act of aggression.forceable interruption by a conspiratorial act of aggression on the part of the Arab League,
The Arab cannot be forced to accept a self-determination process. The does not prevent another from accepting. The act of attempting to prevent the Jewish from exercising their self-determination is improper. To use force in this attempt is an act of aggression.
Most Respectfully,
R
High altitude carpet bombing should do it.America has very little room to talk in terms of converting "military success" in to a "Political Achievement." In the case of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the have had Palestinians no real "military successes;" --- but they have had some significant and very damaging "political successes."
In play are several "cognitive distortions" mounted by and successfully exploited by them.
• The Hostile Arab-Palestinians (HoAP) have successfully convinced the international that Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Insurgency, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Resistance Violence are entirely legal by distorting the intention and legality of these means.These are just among the many distortions put out in the virtual knowledge space that have politically injured Israel.
• The HoAP have convinced the international community that it is the Israelis fault that peace initiatives have failed.
• The HoAP have convinced the international community that:
• The HoAP and pro-Palestinian movement have somehow attached the tag of "apartheid" to Israel.
∆ Israel has been the invader from the very beginning.
∆ That all the land, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, was always Palestinian. Territory.
∆ That the Allied Powers, having by treaty, received the title and rights to the Mandate Territory, did not have the authority to set the conditions to recreate the Jewish National Home, that can preserve and protect the Jewish People from further exploitation and near annihilation under the false color of law.
The Question becomes how does Israel convert its "military successes" into "political achievements." How does Israel unmask that hides the radicalized Jihadist and Fedayeen --- as well as --- the Islamic terrorist and false resistance fighters for what they are?
V/R
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Of course you realize that all Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. That means that they have the right to live in their place of residence and to not be stripped of their land.P F Tinmore, et al,
The Arab prevented this themselves.
There is a reasonableness in the actual ability to implement process that were interrupted by the outbreak of hostilities.
(COMMENT)There are many items in Resolution 181.During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.
A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947
You cannot repatriate hostile parties that have pledge war.
The Palestinians in Hostile contact, did not exchange recognition until the Oslo Accords. However, the Palestinians all have stated that Jihad and armed conflict is the only solution. It is as true today as it was in 1948. The right-of-return concept presupposes that the repatriation act does not endanger the stability and internal security of the Jewish state. That is not self evident.
Palestinian citizens residing in sovereignty of Israel, outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence Israel, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.
Most Respectfully,
R
BTW, Resolution 181 merely reiterates international law and applies with or without Resolution 181. The durable solution for refugees in Resolution 194 applies.
Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples ... to self-determination
Seriously. It doesn't say reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples except the Jewish people to self-determination.
All peoples is all peoples.
Self determination belongs to the people of the place not the people from someplace else.If the partition of Palestine was rejected and never implemented, partitioning Palestine by force is an act of aggression.
Only if, as Rocco points out, you reject the idea of self-determination, determined by, um, you know, the culture's self.
If Israel rejects the self-determination of Palestinians does this mean the act of rejecting Palestinian self-determination actually causes the Palestinians not to have the right to self-determination? Further, that it permits Israel, within the scope of international law, to attack Palestinians and then claim that Palestine was the aggressor for trying to have self-determination in the first place, which Israel rejects?
The partition of Palestine requires their consent.
Israel is the one causing discrimination. It is the Palestinians calling for equal rights.And it seems to me that the first step with this is to establish the EQUAL claims of both the Jewish people and the Arab Muslim/Christian Palestinian people.
Link?Self determination belongs to the people of the place not the people from someplace else.If the partition of Palestine was rejected and never implemented, partitioning Palestine by force is an act of aggression.
Only if, as Rocco points out, you reject the idea of self-determination, determined by, um, you know, the culture's self.
If Israel rejects the self-determination of Palestinians does this mean the act of rejecting Palestinian self-determination actually causes the Palestinians not to have the right to self-determination? Further, that it permits Israel, within the scope of international law, to attack Palestinians and then claim that Palestine was the aggressor for trying to have self-determination in the first place, which Israel rejects?
The people from someplace else describes the Egyptian, Syrian and Lebaneses land grabbers who you somehow define as Pal'istanians in your invented, mythical "country of Pal'istan".
Indeed, and the UN stated that the Palestinians are such people.1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights; A/RES/49/148 (1994)
Yes there is.If you believe that self-determination "belongs to the people of the place" (that is assigning "place" as a criteria) then you must accept the fact that you are presenting an unsound concept. In the Charter there is no association to "place" in the right of self-determination --- as a criteria.
There are many items in Resolution 181.During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.
A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947
It is all over the place. Interesting that you know nothing about it.You refuted nothing. You made no case for your ".... because I say so", comment.Yes there is.If you believe that self-determination "belongs to the people of the place" (that is assigning "place" as a criteria) then you must accept the fact that you are presenting an unsound concept. In the Charter there is no association to "place" in the right of self-determination --- as a criteria.
Oh that's right, it is not mentioned in Israeli propaganda which is your only source of information.
PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNIONThere are many items in Resolution 181.During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.
A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947
Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.
Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?
B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCEThere are many items in Resolution 181.During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.
A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947
Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.
Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?
Is there a reason why you're cutting and pasting half the contents of the Internet?B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCEThere are many items in Resolution 181.During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.
A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947
Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.
Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?
1. A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.
2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.
In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.
The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.
3. On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.
4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.
If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.
5. Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control, including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.
6. The Provisional Council of Government of each State acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.
7. The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.
8. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.
This armed militia in each State shall, for operational purposes, be under the command of Jewish or Arab officers resident in that State, but general political and military control, including the choice of the militia's High Command, shall be exercised by the Commission.
9. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, not later than two months after the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, hold elections to the Constituent Assembly which shall be conducted on democratic lines.
The election regulations in each State shall be drawn up by the Provisional Council of Government and approved by the Commission. Qualified voters for each State for this election shall be persons over eighteen years of age who are: (a) Palestinian citizens residing in that State and (b) Arabs and Jews residing in the State, although not Palestinian citizens, who, before voting, have signed a notice of intention to become citizens of such State.
Arabs and Jews residing in the City of Jerusalem who have signed a notice of intention to become citizens, the Arabs of the Arab State and the Jews of the Jewish State, shall be entitled to vote in the Arab and Jewish States respectively.
Women may vote and be elected to the Constituent Assemblies.
During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.
10. The Constituent Assembly of each State shall draft a democratic constitution for its State and choose a provisional government to succeed the Provisional Council of Government appointed by the Commission. The constitutions of the States shall embody chapters 1 and 2 of the Declaration provided for in section C below and include inter alia provisions for:
(a) Establishing in each State a legislative body elected by universal suffrage and by secret ballot on the basis of proportional representation, and an executive body responsible to the legislature;
(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;
(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;
(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;
(e) Preserving freedom of transit and visit for all residents and citizens of the other State in Palestine and the City of Jerusalem, subject to considerations of national security, provided that each State shall control residence within its borders.
11. The Commission shall appoint a preparatory economic commission of three members to make whatever arrangements are possible for economic co-operation, with a view to establishing, as soon as practicable, the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board, as provided in section D below.
12. During the period between the adoption of the recommendations on the question of Palestine by the General Assembly and the termination of the Mandate, the mandatory Power in Palestine shall maintain full responsibility for administration in areas from which it has not withdrawn its armed forces. The Commission shall assist the mandatory Power in the carrying out of these functions. Similarly the mandatory Power shall co-operate with the Commission in the execution of its functions.
13. With a view to ensuring that there shall be continuity in the functioning of administrative services and that, on the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, the whole administration shall be in the charge of the Provisional Councils and the Joint Economic Board, respectively, acting under the Commission, there shall be a progressive transfer, from the mandatory Power to the Commission, of responsibility for all the functions of government, including that of maintaining law and order in the areas from which the forces of the mandatory Power have been withdrawn.
14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.
The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.
The Commission shall render periodic monthly progress reports, or more frequently if desirable, to the Security Council.
15. The Commission shall make its final report to the next regular session of the General Assembly and to the Security Council simultaneously.
It is not a dodge, You should know these things. It is in the relevant documents like the Treaty of Lausanne, the Palestinian citizenship order, Resolution 181, and several UN resolutions. You should be familiar with these documents if you intend to post more than Israeli talking points.It is all over the place. Interesting that you know nothing about it.You refuted nothing. You made no case for your ".... because I say so", comment.Yes there is.If you believe that self-determination "belongs to the people of the place" (that is assigning "place" as a criteria) then you must accept the fact that you are presenting an unsound concept. In the Charter there is no association to "place" in the right of self-determination --- as a criteria.
Oh that's right, it is not mentioned in Israeli propaganda which is your only source of information.
Nice dodge™
You also shuffled off when you were taken to task for your silly "Pal'istanians are calling for peace", nonsense.
Nice dodge™
Because I was requested to do so.Is there a reason why you're cutting and pasting half the contents of the Internet?B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCEThere are many items in Resolution 181.During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.
A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947
Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.
Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?
1. A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.
2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.
In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.
The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.
3. On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.
4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.
If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.
5. Subject to the provisions of these recommendations, during the transitional period the Provisional Councils of Government, acting under the Commission, shall have full authority in the areas under their control, including authority over matters of immigration and land regulation.
6. The Provisional Council of Government of each State acting under the Commission, shall progressively receive from the Commission full responsibility for the administration of that State in the period between the termination of the Mandate and the establishment of the State's independence.
7. The Commission shall instruct the Provisional Councils of Government of both the Arab and Jewish States, after their formation, to proceed to the establishment of administrative organs of government, central and local.
8. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.
This armed militia in each State shall, for operational purposes, be under the command of Jewish or Arab officers resident in that State, but general political and military control, including the choice of the militia's High Command, shall be exercised by the Commission.
9. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, not later than two months after the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, hold elections to the Constituent Assembly which shall be conducted on democratic lines.
The election regulations in each State shall be drawn up by the Provisional Council of Government and approved by the Commission. Qualified voters for each State for this election shall be persons over eighteen years of age who are: (a) Palestinian citizens residing in that State and (b) Arabs and Jews residing in the State, although not Palestinian citizens, who, before voting, have signed a notice of intention to become citizens of such State.
Arabs and Jews residing in the City of Jerusalem who have signed a notice of intention to become citizens, the Arabs of the Arab State and the Jews of the Jewish State, shall be entitled to vote in the Arab and Jewish States respectively.
Women may vote and be elected to the Constituent Assemblies.
During the transitional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State, and no Arab shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Jewish State, except by special leave of the Commission.
10. The Constituent Assembly of each State shall draft a democratic constitution for its State and choose a provisional government to succeed the Provisional Council of Government appointed by the Commission. The constitutions of the States shall embody chapters 1 and 2 of the Declaration provided for in section C below and include inter alia provisions for:
(a) Establishing in each State a legislative body elected by universal suffrage and by secret ballot on the basis of proportional representation, and an executive body responsible to the legislature;
(b) Settling all international disputes in which the State may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;
(c) Accepting the obligation of the State to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;
(d) Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;
(e) Preserving freedom of transit and visit for all residents and citizens of the other State in Palestine and the City of Jerusalem, subject to considerations of national security, provided that each State shall control residence within its borders.
11. The Commission shall appoint a preparatory economic commission of three members to make whatever arrangements are possible for economic co-operation, with a view to establishing, as soon as practicable, the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board, as provided in section D below.
12. During the period between the adoption of the recommendations on the question of Palestine by the General Assembly and the termination of the Mandate, the mandatory Power in Palestine shall maintain full responsibility for administration in areas from which it has not withdrawn its armed forces. The Commission shall assist the mandatory Power in the carrying out of these functions. Similarly the mandatory Power shall co-operate with the Commission in the execution of its functions.
13. With a view to ensuring that there shall be continuity in the functioning of administrative services and that, on the withdrawal of the armed forces of the mandatory Power, the whole administration shall be in the charge of the Provisional Councils and the Joint Economic Board, respectively, acting under the Commission, there shall be a progressive transfer, from the mandatory Power to the Commission, of responsibility for all the functions of government, including that of maintaining law and order in the areas from which the forces of the mandatory Power have been withdrawn.
14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.
The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.
The Commission shall render periodic monthly progress reports, or more frequently if desirable, to the Security Council.
15. The Commission shall make its final report to the next regular session of the General Assembly and to the Security Council simultaneously.
