The day the US stepped down from leadership

[toomuchtime_]

None of the countries that signed the accord are "required" to do anything, IM2...they've signed on to do things voluntarily! The thing that makes it an awful deal is that Obama signed us up to cut our emissions first and by a large amount before countries like China and India have to cut theirs. There is nothing in that accord that guarantees us that after crippling our economy by making our businesses buy more expensive energy that our competition will comply with the accord years down the line. Once again...who would sign such a bad deal?

Leadership starts with the word lead. You lead by example. Lead means you go first. Follow is when you go after someone else has done it. Seems that a whole bunch of CEOs do not see things as you guys do. Including Tillerson and the new head of Exxon. Too bad.

Again, you are saying to be a leader, the President has to follow what other people think. That makes no sense. The Paris Agreement appears to be a feel good political gesture that will not effect climate change in any meaningful way, but will raise the cost of energy, costing us many good paying jobs and will slow down development which will cause hardships. Unless there is a clear analysis of what would be gained by going along with the Europeans, it would be irresponsible to pay the cost of the Paris Agreement.

Again you don' t seem to understand what real leadership is. What you are talking about has nothing to do with leadership and everything to do with being an arrogant asshole who thinks that you know what's best for everyone so you don't have to listen to anyone. In this situation every nation on earth but 2 had agreed to these things. 1 did not agree because it did not go far enough, not that they opposed it. So then we see that really only one nation did not agree with these accords and that's because its in a civil war and probably not in attendance. So then when you have that kid of agreement between diverse populations of people al with different ideologies and beliefs, it is apparent that things are not as Trump or you think they are.

The entire planet is not getting swindled nor is the entire planet falling for fake science. This is a mistake made by our president and it has reduced our standing in the world.

Again, you are saying that to lead the President must follow what everyone else is doing. Trump is a leader, not a follower as you would prefer. He looked at the agreement and was able to see what it would cost America, but there is no analysis of how it would benefit America or any other part of the world, so that means it is no more than a feel good political gesture and not a sound policy to deal with climate change.

Macron and Merkel are professional politicians who are more concerned with optics than outcomes so they don't ask what the agreement will achieve, but Trump thinks like a businessman and he is interested in outcomes and there is no evidence the Paris Agreement will produce anything of benefit to anyone but the politicians who are wedded to it.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

None of the countries that signed the accord are "required" to do anything, IM2...they've signed on to do things voluntarily! The thing that makes it an awful deal is that Obama signed us up to cut our emissions first and by a large amount before countries like China and India have to cut theirs. There is nothing in that accord that guarantees us that after crippling our economy by making our businesses buy more expensive energy that our competition will comply with the accord years down the line. Once again...who would sign such a bad deal?

Leadership starts with the word lead. You lead by example. Lead means you go first. Follow is when you go after someone else has done it. Seems that a whole bunch of CEOs do not see things as you guys do. Including Tillerson and the new head of Exxon. Too bad.

Again, you are saying to be a leader, the President has to follow what other people think. That makes no sense. The Paris Agreement appears to be a feel good political gesture that will not effect climate change in any meaningful way, but will raise the cost of energy, costing us many good paying jobs and will slow down development which will cause hardships. Unless there is a clear analysis of what would be gained by going along with the Europeans, it would be irresponsible to pay the cost of the Paris Agreement.

Again you don' t seem to understand what real leadership is. What you are talking about has nothing to do with leadership and everything to do with being an arrogant asshole who thinks that you know what's best for everyone so you don't have to listen to anyone. In this situation every nation on earth but 2 had agreed to these things. 1 did not agree because it did not go far enough, not that they opposed it. So then we see that really only one nation did not agree with these accords and that's because its in a civil war and probably not in attendance. So then when you have that kid of agreement between diverse populations of people al with different ideologies and beliefs, it is apparent that things are not as Trump or you think they are.

The entire planet is not getting swindled nor is the entire planet falling for fake science. This is a mistake made by our president and it has reduced our standing in the world.

Again, you are saying that to lead the President must follow what everyone else is doing. Trump is a leader, not a follower as you would prefer. He looked at the agreement and was able to see what it would cost America, but there is no analysis of how it would benefit America or any other part of the world, so that means it is no more than a feel good political gesture and not a sound policy to deal with climate change.

Macron and Merkel are professional politicians who are more concerned with optics than outcomes so they don't ask what the agreement will achieve, but Trump thinks like a businessman and he is interested in outcomes and there is no evidence the Paris Agreement will produce anything of benefit to anyone but the politicians who are wedded to it.

^^^^^^^^^
NAILED IT!

How does one lead by following the herd?

 

[jc456]

Finally, a president with some common sense.

I don't exactly call that common sense. You aren't educated so you wouldn't understand how this can backfire.

well why don't you explain it to us.

 

[S.J.]

The thing is nearly everything in the Paris agreement was negotiable within the agreement.

The facts say otherwise.
EU warns Donald Trump: Paris agreement on climate change is ‘irreversible and non-negotiable’

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump pulls US from Paris accord (full speech)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djATp3AoUxI

A new leader of the free world has emerged.

Macron SLAMS Trump for WITHDRAWAL of Paris Climate Accord Agreement 6/1/2017 its NOT RENEGOTIABLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzcrSvF7ZJA

WAHHHH, American taxpayers aren't going to fund European scams! OH NOOOOOZZZZ

 

[jc456]

None of the countries that signed the accord are "required" to do anything, IM2...they've signed on to do things voluntarily! The thing that makes it an awful deal is that Obama signed us up to cut our emissions first and by a large amount before countries like China and India have to cut theirs. There is nothing in that accord that guarantees us that after crippling our economy by making our businesses buy more expensive energy that our competition will comply with the accord years down the line. Once again...who would sign such a bad deal?

Leadership starts with the word lead. You lead by example. Lead means you go first. Follow is when you go after someone else has done it. Seems that a whole bunch of CEOs do not see things as you guys do. Including Tillerson and the new head of Exxon. Too bad.

Again, you are saying to be a leader, the President has to follow what other people think. That makes no sense. The Paris Agreement appears to be a feel good political gesture that will not effect climate change in any meaningful way, but will raise the cost of energy, costing us many good paying jobs and will slow down development which will cause hardships. Unless there is a clear analysis of what would be gained by going along with the Europeans, it would be irresponsible to pay the cost of the Paris Agreement.

Again you don' t seem to understand what real leadership is. What you are talking about has nothing to do with leadership and everything to do with being an arrogant asshole who thinks that you know what's best for everyone so you don't have to listen to anyone. In this situation every nation on earth but 2 had agreed to these things. 1 did not agree because it did not go far enough, not that they opposed it. So then we see that really only one nation did not agree with these accords and that's because its in a civil war and probably not in attendance. So then when you have that kid of agreement between diverse populations of people al with different ideologies and beliefs, it is apparent that things are not as Trump or you think they are.

The entire planet is not getting swindled nor is the entire planet falling for fake science. This is a mistake made by our president and it has reduced our standing in the world.

Again, you are saying that to lead the President must follow what everyone else is doing. Trump is a leader, not a follower as you would prefer. He looked at the agreement and was able to see what it would cost America, but there is no analysis of how it would benefit America or any other part of the world, so that means it is no more than a feel good political gesture and not a sound policy to deal with climate change.

Macron and Merkel are professional politicians who are more concerned with optics than outcomes so they don't ask what the agreement will achieve, but Trump thinks like a businessman and he is interested in outcomes and there is no evidence the Paris Agreement will produce anything of benefit to anyone but the politicians who are wedded to it.

dude, he demonstrated what a real leader actually is.

 

[IM2]

None of the countries that signed the accord are "required" to do anything, IM2...they've signed on to do things voluntarily! The thing that makes it an awful deal is that Obama signed us up to cut our emissions first and by a large amount before countries like China and India have to cut theirs. There is nothing in that accord that guarantees us that after crippling our economy by making our businesses buy more expensive energy that our competition will comply with the accord years down the line. Once again...who would sign such a bad deal?

Leadership starts with the word lead. You lead by example. Lead means you go first. Follow is when you go after someone else has done it. Seems that a whole bunch of CEOs do not see things as you guys do. Including Tillerson and the new head of Exxon. Too bad.

Again, you are saying to be a leader, the President has to follow what other people think. That makes no sense. The Paris Agreement appears to be a feel good political gesture that will not effect climate change in any meaningful way, but will raise the cost of energy, costing us many good paying jobs and will slow down development which will cause hardships. Unless there is a clear analysis of what would be gained by going along with the Europeans, it would be irresponsible to pay the cost of the Paris Agreement.

Again you don' t seem to understand what real leadership is. What you are talking about has nothing to do with leadership and everything to do with being an arrogant asshole who thinks that you know what's best for everyone so you don't have to listen to anyone. In this situation every nation on earth but 2 had agreed to these things. 1 did not agree because it did not go far enough, not that they opposed it. So then we see that really only one nation did not agree with these accords and that's because its in a civil war and probably not in attendance. So then when you have that kid of agreement between diverse populations of people al with different ideologies and beliefs, it is apparent that things are not as Trump or you think they are.

The entire planet is not getting swindled nor is the entire planet falling for fake science. This is a mistake made by our president and it has reduced our standing in the world.

I've tried to listen to your nonsense, but it is nothing more than shallow end of the pool drivel. You can't even answer a simple question. At least righty tried.

I don't have to answer your endless questions because you aren't really asking questions,. You re the one presenting nonsense here. Just because you say something is nonsense doesn't make it so. If you have to ask what the benefits are to reducing the emissions of a gas that is harming the planet, then there is no reason to answer any question you ask

 

[Uncensored2008]

[
Cheaper lightbulbs?

Oh, you want to talk about lightbulbs? Well let's do.

The Nazicrats mandated those twisty CFB piles of shit. But the market responded by bringing out functional LED bulbs.

Capitalism crushed the democrats fascism, yet again.

 

[S.J.]

Macron is pissed because we have a real president now who isn't trying to undermine our country like the last one was doing. No more transfer of wealth from us to them, while China and India (worst polluters in the world) get a free pass. Go Trump!

Dumb ass. China and India agreed to the accords.

Of course they did, you moron. Nothing in it applies to them. You really are an idiot.

 

[jc456]

None of the countries that signed the accord are "required" to do anything, IM2...they've signed on to do things voluntarily! The thing that makes it an awful deal is that Obama signed us up to cut our emissions first and by a large amount before countries like China and India have to cut theirs. There is nothing in that accord that guarantees us that after crippling our economy by making our businesses buy more expensive energy that our competition will comply with the accord years down the line. Once again...who would sign such a bad deal?

Leadership starts with the word lead. You lead by example. Lead means you go first. Follow is when you go after someone else has done it. Seems that a whole bunch of CEOs do not see things as you guys do. Including Tillerson and the new head of Exxon. Too bad.

Again, you are saying to be a leader, the President has to follow what other people think. That makes no sense. The Paris Agreement appears to be a feel good political gesture that will not effect climate change in any meaningful way, but will raise the cost of energy, costing us many good paying jobs and will slow down development which will cause hardships. Unless there is a clear analysis of what would be gained by going along with the Europeans, it would be irresponsible to pay the cost of the Paris Agreement.

Again you don' t seem to understand what real leadership is. What you are talking about has nothing to do with leadership and everything to do with being an arrogant asshole who thinks that you know what's best for everyone so you don't have to listen to anyone. In this situation every nation on earth but 2 had agreed to these things. 1 did not agree because it did not go far enough, not that they opposed it. So then we see that really only one nation did not agree with these accords and that's because its in a civil war and probably not in attendance. So then when you have that kid of agreement between diverse populations of people al with different ideologies and beliefs, it is apparent that things are not as Trump or you think they are.

The entire planet is not getting swindled nor is the entire planet falling for fake science. This is a mistake made by our president and it has reduced our standing in the world.

I've tried to listen to your nonsense, but it is nothing more than shallow end of the pool drivel. You can't even answer a simple question. At least righty tried.

I don't have to answer your endless questions because you aren't really asking questions,. You re the one presenting nonsense here. Just because you say something is nonsense doesn't make it so. If you have to ask what the benefits are to reducing the emissions of a gas that is harming the planet, then there is no reason to answer any question you ask

so you have no idea how warm 10 PPM of CO2 will make the atmosphere? do you? come on, don't be bashfull, tell JC what the answer is.

 

[IM2]

Trump pulls US from Paris accord (full speech)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djATp3AoUxI

A new leader of the free world has emerged.

Macron SLAMS Trump for WITHDRAWAL of Paris Climate Accord Agreement 6/1/2017 its NOT RENEGOTIABLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzcrSvF7ZJA

WAHHHH, American taxpayers aren't going to fund European scams! OH NOOOOOZZZZ

What European scam?

 

[JBond]

So you believe increasing energy costs on the middle class in the US will benefit them and give them a better chance to complete on a global scale. Interesting theory.

Increasing regulations on other nations is what makes making things here more competitive. And increasing prices spurs innovation (if you'd stop giving the technology to China instead of subsiding new industry here).

As I said, you know maids and people who mow lawns. They are worried about the power bill (which is rising as it gets hotter).

So, some more regulation of other nations combined with many more regulations for the US, and some cash payouts by the US, along with more expensive energy will benefit US citizens. Got it. Maybe...

What technology did I give China? I didn't support Bill Clinton.

It is telling that you believe higher energy costs only affect maids and yard maintenance people.

I'm also curious why so many countries are eager to give us this advantage.

They prefer living (to a slow death).

And we gave China solar power (and they are kicking our asses and eating our lunch) because their government paid up and we - didn't.

Not sure about we. Obama gave a ton of money away to buddies to start some solar firms, and China undercut them using larger subsidies and then purchased several of them for pennies on the dollar.

We gave no money (and very little support) while China did the opposite. That's why we get our solar technology from them now.

No not really. We get the panels from them for the same reasons we get nearly everything from them.

 

[Moonglow]

[
Cheaper lightbulbs?

Oh, you want to talk about lightbulbs? Well let's do.

The Nazicrats mandated those twisty CFB piles of shit. But the market responded by bringing out functional LED bulbs.

Capitalism crushed the democrats fascism, yet again.

Just when I was making a fortune smuggling incandescent bulbs.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Finally, a president with some common sense.

Why pull from the accord and then try to negotiate?

The thing is nearly everything in the Paris agreement was negotiable within the agreement.

But China has now offered to head it up, you know Make China Great again.

Kewl, let China fund the EU boondoggle.

 

[IM2]

Macron is pissed because we have a real president now who isn't trying to undermine our country like the last one was doing. No more transfer of wealth from us to them, while China and India (worst polluters in the world) get a free pass. Go Trump!

Dumb ass. China and India agreed to the accords.

Of course they did, you moron. Nothing in it applies to them. You really are an idiot.

Who told you that one? Trump?

 

[jc456]

Trump pulls US from Paris accord (full speech)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djATp3AoUxI

A new leader of the free world has emerged.

Macron SLAMS Trump for WITHDRAWAL of Paris Climate Accord Agreement 6/1/2017 its NOT RENEGOTIABLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzcrSvF7ZJA

WAHHHH, American taxpayers aren't going to fund European scams! OH NOOOOOZZZZ

What European scam?

the one you've been posting in.

 

[RightyTighty]

Increasing regulations on other nations is what makes making things here more competitive. And increasing prices spurs innovation (if you'd stop giving the technology to China instead of subsiding new industry here).

As I said, you know maids and people who mow lawns. They are worried about the power bill (which is rising as it gets hotter).

So, some more regulation of other nations combined with many more regulations for the US, and some cash payouts by the US, along with more expensive energy will benefit US citizens. Got it. Maybe...

What technology did I give China? I didn't support Bill Clinton.

It is telling that you believe higher energy costs only affect maids and yard maintenance people.

I'm also curious why so many countries are eager to give us this advantage.

They prefer living (to a slow death).

And we gave China solar power (and they are kicking our asses and eating our lunch) because their government paid up and we - didn't.

Not sure about we. Obama gave a ton of money away to buddies to start some solar firms, and China undercut them using larger subsidies and then purchased several of them for pennies on the dollar.

We gave no money (and very little support) while China did the opposite. That's why we get our solar technology from them now.

No not really. We get the panels from them for the same reasons we get nearly everything from them.

And yet - you and the other morons wonder where the jobs went?

 

[jc456]

Macron is pissed because we have a real president now who isn't trying to undermine our country like the last one was doing. No more transfer of wealth from us to them, while China and India (worst polluters in the world) get a free pass. Go Trump!

Dumb ass. China and India agreed to the accords.

Of course they did, you moron. Nothing in it applies to them. You really are an idiot.

Who told you that one? Trump?

here fool:
China is working to reach its emissions peak before 2030 deadline, analyst says

"Australia’s environment minister, Greg Hunt, has compared Australia’s emissions reduction target favourably with China’s. He said last week that China was “a country with up to a 150% increase in emissions” between 2005 and 2030"

fk man, educate yourself.

 

[JBond]

None of the countries that signed the accord are "required" to do anything, IM2...they've signed on to do things voluntarily! The thing that makes it an awful deal is that Obama signed us up to cut our emissions first and by a large amount before countries like China and India have to cut theirs. There is nothing in that accord that guarantees us that after crippling our economy by making our businesses buy more expensive energy that our competition will comply with the accord years down the line. Once again...who would sign such a bad deal?

Leadership starts with the word lead. You lead by example. Lead means you go first. Follow is when you go after someone else has done it. Seems that a whole bunch of CEOs do not see things as you guys do. Including Tillerson and the new head of Exxon. Too bad.

Again, you are saying to be a leader, the President has to follow what other people think. That makes no sense. The Paris Agreement appears to be a feel good political gesture that will not effect climate change in any meaningful way, but will raise the cost of energy, costing us many good paying jobs and will slow down development which will cause hardships. Unless there is a clear analysis of what would be gained by going along with the Europeans, it would be irresponsible to pay the cost of the Paris Agreement.

Again you don' t seem to understand what real leadership is. What you are talking about has nothing to do with leadership and everything to do with being an arrogant asshole who thinks that you know what's best for everyone so you don't have to listen to anyone. In this situation every nation on earth but 2 had agreed to these things. 1 did not agree because it did not go far enough, not that they opposed it. So then we see that really only one nation did not agree with these accords and that's because its in a civil war and probably not in attendance. So then when you have that kid of agreement between diverse populations of people al with different ideologies and beliefs, it is apparent that things are not as Trump or you think they are.

The entire planet is not getting swindled nor is the entire planet falling for fake science. This is a mistake made by our president and it has reduced our standing in the world.

I've tried to listen to your nonsense, but it is nothing more than shallow end of the pool drivel. You can't even answer a simple question. At least righty tried.

I don't have to answer your endless questions because you aren't really asking questions,. You re the one presenting nonsense here. Just because you say something is nonsense doesn't make it so. If you have to ask what the benefits are to reducing the emissions of a gas that is harming the planet, then there is no reason to answer any question you ask

Endless? I asked one, and you failed miserably. Do yourself a favor and gain some knowledge on a topic before making a fool of yourself again. The Paris Accord does no such thing. Nothing is enforced except the massive transfer of wealth.

 

[jc456]

So, some more regulation of other nations combined with many more regulations for the US, and some cash payouts by the US, along with more expensive energy will benefit US citizens. Got it. Maybe...

What technology did I give China? I didn't support Bill Clinton.

It is telling that you believe higher energy costs only affect maids and yard maintenance people.

I'm also curious why so many countries are eager to give us this advantage.

They prefer living (to a slow death).

And we gave China solar power (and they are kicking our asses and eating our lunch) because their government paid up and we - didn't.

Not sure about we. Obama gave a ton of money away to buddies to start some solar firms, and China undercut them using larger subsidies and then purchased several of them for pennies on the dollar.

We gave no money (and very little support) while China did the opposite. That's why we get our solar technology from them now.

No not really. We get the panels from them for the same reasons we get nearly everything from them.

And yet - you and the the morons wonder where the jobs went?

nope, we know they went to china. and china is exempt from the accord. so now so are we. the states just won a new battle. YES!!!!