The Derek Chauvin Trial Thread

[airplanemechanic]

Stats show whites are more likely to be shot by cops than blacks, but blacks are more likely to be stopped.

Black People More Likely to Be Stopped by Cops, Study Finds

'On an average day, three people die and 150 people are treated at a hospital because they are injured by police.'

www.nbcnews.com

 

[XponentialChaos]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

 

[Ringtone]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

I agree. I think 3rd degree murder is what he will end up being convicted with.

We’ll see.

 

[San Souci]

What makes you think this is such a "Big Trial"? The Fake Impeachment trials of twice exonerated Donald J Trump were bigger news.

The trials of the Baltimore PD officers were pretty big too.

Sorry no, THIS is the biggest. Nothing of this level or importance has been seen since OJ.

The OJ trial was theater. In the grand scheme of things, it wasn't anything more than another negro killing an innocent white woman and an innocent white man...

I don't remember the rioting after that one.

No. No WHITE Riots. Even though everyone knew that pig was guilty. ---PS--I saw a video of a man stomping an Asian woman 65 years old. Funny how the Media ,even FOX ,failed to mention it was a Black THUG who did the deed. Go figure.

The only time the media describes the color of a perp is when that perp is at large. The description then includes sex, hair type/ color, approx height and weight and skin color. You're obviously not paying one bit of attention. As Paul Simon once write - You hear what you wanna hear - And disregard the rest.

No. Any time there is a mugging or shooting ,the first thing you hear is "White". The LAST thing ya hear is Black. And yet Black youth comm it almost ALL violent crime. Yet CNN never mentions what color the perp is. UNLESS he is white.

Whites are such victims in this society, aren't they?

There ARE no "Victims". Except cowards and weaklings who CHOOSE to be so.

 

[San Souci]

Then why are PRISONS full of the dirty bastards?

Because they don't get the legal representation and the breaks that rich white collar dirty bastards like Roger Stone and Matt Gaetz do.
I gave you the stats. They prove you were lying out your ass.

Same Crime, More Time

Research by criminal justice professor William Sabol reveals that racial disparities in the U.S. prison population have declined, but Blacks are still serving longer sentences than whites.

news.gsu.edu

What Violent crime did Stone do? And the Mammy jumpin' MEDIA are lying about Gates. Who cares? The reason blacks don't have good lawyers is they are to stupid to EARN enough to afford 'em. Unless they pimp or sell Heroin.

Usually I put racists on IG. But you are far too entertaining.
This time I throttled your lame ass twice in the same thread -
And all ya got is "blacks are stupid" and "Mammy jumpin'" - SERIOUS ?

Well ,maybe I didn't SAY it PC ,but how about PROVING me wrong.?

 

[San Souci]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

I agree. I think 3rd degree murder is what he will end up being convicted with.

We’ll see.

Still hope he is acquitted. That punk was resisting arrest while drugged up.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

I agree. I think 3rd degree murder is what he will end up being convicted with.

We’ll see.

Still hope he is acquitted. That punk was resisting arrest while drugged up.

I hope he’s charged appropriately. To me that looks like 3rd degree murder.

 

[San Souci]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

I agree. I think 3rd degree murder is what he will end up being convicted with.

We’ll see.

Still hope he is acquitted. That punk was resisting arrest while drugged up.

I hope he’s charged appropriately. To me that looks like 3rd degree murder.

Did ya see the whole tape? The punk HAD to be subdued. Wait till the DEFENSE presents its case. I heard there was no evidence of smothering or strangulation.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Did ya see the whole tape? The punk HAD to be subdued. Wait till the DEFENSE presents its case. I heard there was no evidence of smothering or strangulation.

I did. Also read the autopsy reports.

Having the medical examiners directly explain this will be the next big step.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

I agree. I think 3rd degree murder is what he will end up being convicted with.

We’ll see.

Still hope he is acquitted. That punk was resisting arrest while drugged up.

So if someone is on drugs that is a green light to kill them. Nothing like a tough, internet, racist troll.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Wow.

The witness and former superior officer to Chauvin just said that Chauvin used excessive force.

He's done.

 

[Lastamender]

Wow.

The witness and former superior officer to Chauvin just said that Chauvin used excessive force.

He's done.

Floyd used excessive drugs. They killed him.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Wow.

The witness and former superior officer to Chauvin just said that Chauvin used excessive force.

He's done.

Floyd used excessive drugs. They killed him.

The medical experts disagree with you.

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf

 

[XponentialChaos]

Superior officer just said that Chauvin should have stopped. That he used excessive force.

Wow. This is not looking good for Chauvin.

Defense has no idea how to respond to that. The argument that Chauvin was doing things by the book just went out the window.

 

[San Souci]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

I agree. I think 3rd degree murder is what he will end up being convicted with.

We’ll see.

Still hope he is acquitted. That punk was resisting arrest while drugged up.

So if someone is on drugs that is a green light to kill them. Nothing like a tough, internet, racist troll.

On drugs and VIOLENTLY resisting arrest. Yes. Anyone who does that should be greenlit. That INCLUDES Whites ,Hispanics ,and Women.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

I agree. I think 3rd degree murder is what he will end up being convicted with.

We’ll see.

Still hope he is acquitted. That punk was resisting arrest while drugged up.

So if someone is on drugs that is a green light to kill them. Nothing like a tough, internet, racist troll.

On drugs and VIOLENTLY resisting arrest. Yes. Anyone who does that should be greenlit. That INCLUDES Whites ,Hispanics ,and Women.

Violently resisting arrest are you fucking kidding me.

 

[San Souci]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

I agree. I think 3rd degree murder is what he will end up being convicted with.

We’ll see.

Still hope he is acquitted. That punk was resisting arrest while drugged up.

So if someone is on drugs that is a green light to kill them. Nothing like a tough, internet, racist troll.

On drugs and VIOLENTLY resisting arrest. Yes. Anyone who does that should be greenlit. That INCLUDES Whites ,Hispanics ,and Women.

Violently resisting arrest are you fucking kidding me.

Not a bit. Did that punk junkie get in the car as requested>? No. He was struggling violently. Cops get hurt every day subduing belligerant drunks and junkies.

 

[ClaireH]

As honest as I can be, watch the two body cam videos.
Floyd was combative, uncooperative and was acting/saying things that wasn't making sense - which we now know was the result of the drugs he had taken.
He was asked - "are you on something now?" - he answered no. At that point he could have said "I swallowed a bunch of drugs because I was afraid of getting caught". - Perhaps if he was honest and said that, he would have received medical care for that - and would be alive today.
When he was resisting going into the squad car, three police officers couldn't get him in the car. He was a big strong dude.
When they placed him on the ground, he kicked at the two officers... at that point... Chauvin pinned him to the ground.
Indeed, he said several times I can't breathe. But a person who can't breath, can't talk. He continued to talk, groan and shout out.
Plus you have to take into consideration - he was talking about dying, and breathing problems continuously BEFORE he was pinned.

All the officers wanted him to do was simply sit down in the squad car. That is all. And he wouldn't do it. He talked about dying, talked about not wanting to die today... BECAUSE HE KNEW HE TOOK THE HIGH DOSE... but throughout the whole time, he never mentions he did that.

It's not murder.

If by murder you mean premeditated, I agree. I'm still not sure that he isn't guilty of negligent homicide, but then the latter also seems to go to inadequate training.

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.
But, again, as far as Floyd's death - probably 80% fault is the lethal dose he took. And you cannot just discount that to fit a narrative you want. Which is what 80% of the folks in this thread are doing.

Comparing the legal definitions according to Minnesota law between Second-degree manslaughter (a.k.a. unintentional) and third-degree murder. Negligent homicide as you mentioned could fall back on insufficient training. Or, if it is revealed in the trial that Chauvin had sufficient training and his training did not include continuing to use a restraint maneuver beyond the point of any movement, words, or struggle, that’s going to fall back on him. Floyd’s criminal activity, including his resistance prior to being handcuffed and held down face first on the ground by three small cops, is on Floyd.

Chauvin’s overkill might not have happened had one of the other three cops intervened, particularly after there was no movement nor sound going on for several minutes. Chauvin has no business being a cop, but at this point I’m pretty sure that’s a non-issue. There are so many more good cops compared to cops like Chauvin who give the good ones a bad rap.

There is no doubt being a cop, most anywhere, is not an easy job...particularly in areas that have rough neighborhoods where crimes plays out by the hour. It takes a most unique individual to be a successful cop, particularly on the beat in crime-infested areas. I don’t envy a one of them, and have complete respect for all good cops.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Negligent homicide seems a decent fit.
There is no reason why he kept him pinned down for 4-5 minutes after he was no longer resisting. To me, Chauvin was being a bit sadistic at that point. I don't think he thought for a moment he would die, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was rather enjoying what he was doing to him.

Your description sounds like 3rd degree murder to me.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

"(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

Thank you for your post. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that negligent homicide entailed cruelty (depraved recklessness/indifference to human life) sans intent to kill, punishable by 10 to 25. While Chauvin strikes me as a man who is in fact stupid enough to not have actually grasped the cruelty of his behavior, he should nevertheless be convicted as one who committed third-degree murder. In other words, negligent homicide is a lesser charge than I thought.

I agree. I think 3rd degree murder is what he will end up being convicted with.

We’ll see.

Still hope he is acquitted. That punk was resisting arrest while drugged up.

So if someone is on drugs that is a green light to kill them. Nothing like a tough, internet, racist troll.

On drugs and VIOLENTLY resisting arrest. Yes. Anyone who does that should be greenlit. That INCLUDES Whites ,Hispanics ,and Women.

Violently resisting arrest are you fucking kidding me.

Not a bit. Did that punk junkie get in the car as requested>? No. He was struggling violently. Cops get hurt every day subduing belligerant drunks and junkies.

So to hell with arresting anyone, just pull out your gun and put a bullet in their head. What were they killed for? Had to much to drink at the local bar and in your dumb ass world that is worthy of death.