The disturbing view of Muslims in the US

[OKTexas]

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Since 9/11 Muslims have been having a hard time in the US. The reasons are clear, Bush wanted to make a new Common Enemy, the demise of the USSR left a gaping hole in the right wing "be tough on anything" policy.

In the past just calling someone a Communist was as bad as it got, now it's calling someone a Muslim. You want to get at Obama because you don't like him? Just call him a Muslim. It's simple, so simple even a redneck who managed to pass grade 2 could do it. It doesn't take brains.

And the whole while with ISIS going around killing and apparently this being really important for the citizens of the US, as opposed to, say, the Civil War in DRC or other such places.

Some Muslims are bad. Some Christians are bad. But by vilifying ALL Muslims people are essentially giving the right exactly what they want. People criticise Obama's foreign policy, it hasn't been amazing, but he's pulled back from the vilification of Muslims, and the need for the right to make Muslims the problem (and therefore the solution).

Exactly what's so disturbing? Good muslims that sit on their hands and do nothing about the bad ones are really irrelevant to the discussion, aren't they? Their no different than the good Germans who did nothing about the atrocities committed by Hitler, they were also irrelevant, and paid a price for being such.

Are there no Muslims fighting against ISIS and the Taloban?

Excuse me dickweed, we're talking about muslims in the US.

 

[OKTexas]

And don't give us that moronic rot about how Obama is 'destroying' the country, as nothing could be further from the truth.

You're kidding right, this dumbass we have occupying the white house at this time has done more to destroy our constitutional republic than anyone since FDR.

FDR saved the Republic.

Oh right, by prolonging the depression just like your dear leader prolonged the recession. The only thing that saved our economy was WWII. Also FDR used intimidation to push through tons of unconstitutional bullshit, knowing the commiecrats would never impeach him, just like your dear leader is doing. You may now return to your world of delusion.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Muslims, like blacks, are responsible for the image the US has of them.
Not to say that's justified in all cases but that is reality.

Firstly. Your point.

Muslims are responsible for the image the US has of them. Yes, in part this is true. However not ALL MUSLIMS are responsible for this. Some Muslims are. Why should ALL Muslims be responsible for this image that some have made.

Secondly, Bush helped to make this image, he helped to spread this image.

Bush did that? 9-11 did that in a graphic way. That's the image everyone should have of muslims. Along with our new nuclear partners in iran calling for the death of Israel and America. That's the muslims. Are there some better than that? Possibly but they aren't the majority. Fuck islam until they can correct their own problems. It isn't up to us to select who is and who isn't a problem muslim as right now they all are.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Muslims, like blacks, are responsible for the image the US has of them.
Not to say that's justified in all cases but that is reality.

Firstly. Your point.

Muslims are responsible for the image the US has of them. Yes, in part this is true. However not ALL MUSLIMS are responsible for this. Some Muslims are. Why should ALL Muslims be responsible for this image that some have made.

Secondly, Bush helped to make this image, he helped to spread this image.

Bush did that? 9-11 did that in a graphic way. That's the image everyone should have of muslims. Along with our new nuclear partners in iran calling for the death of Israel and America. That's the muslims. Are there some better than that? Possibly but they aren't the majority. Fuck islam until they can correct their own problems. It isn't up to us to select who is and who isn't a problem muslim as right now they all are.

Bush invaded Iraq, should all Christians be responsible for his actions?

The US calls for the death of the Iranian govt, why shouldn't Iran come back at this?

You're literally just coming up with a lot of nonsense.

Some are better? 1 billion Muslims in the world, how many are a problem to you? Not 1 billion, maybe 50,000? If 50,000 Christians were a problem, it'd be seen as nothing.

The US has invaded two countries, bombed Libya, helped set up the petri dish for ISIS to grow, sanctions against Iran and Venezuela, all because they are OPEC and have oil and don't like the US.

I'd say the US is a far greater problem than Islam right now.

 

[S.J.]

I'd say the US is a far greater problem than Islam right now.

I'm sure you would.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's the errant view many on the right have of Muslims which is truly disturbing.

 

[Pogo]

Muslims, like blacks, are responsible for the image the US has of them.
Not to say that's justified in all cases but that is reality.

Firstly. Your point.

Muslims are responsible for the image the US has of them. Yes, in part this is true. However not ALL MUSLIMS are responsible for this. Some Muslims are. Why should ALL Muslims be responsible for this image that some have made.

Secondly, Bush helped to make this image, he helped to spread this image.

Then the ones who aren't should step up to the plate and condemn the ones who are making their lives miserable.

And they do. That's where you and the media go
Their excuse is that it doesn't sell. Yours is.... uh, yours is....

 

[Little-Acorn]

As I expected, the entire thread is based on a liberal telling a lie about Republicans. No point in reading further. (yawn)

Yeah, sure, someone who doesn't care as long as it fits his own agenda. Even bigger yawn.

Yep, that's the liberal I was referring to.

Why did you reply again?

You really hate it when people point out the truth about your lies, don't you?

Looks like your subsequent attempts to keep people from posting, aren't working out.

Gee, that's too bad.

 

[Correll]

Bush, right after 9-11..

washingtonpost.com
"

Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking, ``Who attacked our country?''



The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al Qaeda. They are some of the murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and responsible for bombing the USS Cole.



Al Qaeda is to terror what the Mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money, its goal is remaking the world and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere.



The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam."




"


I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.



(APPLAUSE)



The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.

The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them."

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Muslims, like blacks, are responsible for the image the US has of them.
Not to say that's justified in all cases but that is reality.

Firstly. Your point.

Muslims are responsible for the image the US has of them. Yes, in part this is true. However not ALL MUSLIMS are responsible for this. Some Muslims are. Why should ALL Muslims be responsible for this image that some have made.

Secondly, Bush helped to make this image, he helped to spread this image.

Bush did that? 9-11 did that in a graphic way. That's the image everyone should have of muslims. Along with our new nuclear partners in iran calling for the death of Israel and America. That's the muslims. Are there some better than that? Possibly but they aren't the majority. Fuck islam until they can correct their own problems. It isn't up to us to select who is and who isn't a problem muslim as right now they all are.

Bush invaded Iraq, should all Christians be responsible for his actions?

The US calls for the death of the Iranian govt, why shouldn't Iran come back at this?

You're literally just coming up with a lot of nonsense.

Some are better? 1 billion Muslims in the world, how many are a problem to you? Not 1 billion, maybe 50,000? If 50,000 Christians were a problem, it'd be seen as nothing.

The US has invaded two countries, bombed Libya, helped set up the petri dish for ISIS to grow, sanctions against Iran and Venezuela, all because they are OPEC and have oil and don't like the US.

I'd say the US is a far greater problem than Islam right now.

Do you have an example of Christians blowing innocent people up in a mall? If you don't then your ratio's are off. No matter how many billions of a group there are the fact that 100% of all the radical Islamic terrorist are muslims still equals 100%. Larger numbers of people that aren't doesn't lower the percentage of those that are when they come from the same group. islam is all about killing people. They film it and put it on the internet then brag. What other religion is doing that?

 

[Pogo]

100% of all the radical Islamic terrorist are muslims

Duh. No shit.

In a related story 100% of all the radical Christian terrorist [sic] are Christian, and, unbelievably, 100% of all the Jewish terrorist [sic] are Jewish.

Matter of fact... this just in... we're now being told that 100% of all Christians are Christian, whether terrorist or not. Same for Jews, Ba'hais, Zoroastrians and probably Shintoists.

WHO knew.

What other religion is doing that?

NO "religion is doing that". How is it you're incapable of distinguishing between actions taken by somebody, and the religion they're associated with?

Terrorism, and other geopolitical events, result from other geopolitical events. The recipients of those catalysts are going to by definition be collected in a country or region. That means they likely have a culture in common, and/or a language in common, and more likely, a religion in common. What you're trying to do here is like watching a drunk driver crash in a Toyota, and conclude from that that driving a Toyota makes you drunk.

By the same logic you could conclude "all terrorists have brown eyes". Correlation is not causation.

 

[blackhawk]

Bush wanted to make a new Common Enemy

Yes this really sounds like someone trying to villify Muslims and make a new common enemy.

September 20, 2001

I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...kcWbh2eqPFvjXTRiA&sig2=NEF8fB6VPFkPQ4GO5FEOCw

 

[Missouri_Mike]

100% of all the radical Islamic terrorist are muslims

Duh. No shit.

In a related story 100% of all the radical Christian terrorist [sic] are Christian, and, unbelievably, 100% of all the Jewish terrorist [sic] are Jewish.

Matter of fact... this just in... we're now being told that 100% of all Christians are Christian, whether terrorist or not. Same for Jews, Ba'hais, Zoroastrians and probably Shintoists.

WHO knew.

The only thing that could make this a duh shit moment would be when you list the other religions terror attacks. Then we may have an argument. Until then you're just an idiot not looking at the reality of this situation. The only group we need to worry about bombing people is muslims. Period, no argument available.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"Muslims are responsible for the image the US has of them. Yes, in part this is true. However not ALL MUSLIMS are responsible for this. Some Muslims are. Why should ALL Muslims be responsible for this image that some have made."

For exactly the same reason all Germans were held accountable for the actions of the Nazis.

 

[Pogo]

100% of all the radical Islamic terrorist are muslims

Duh. No shit.

In a related story 100% of all the radical Christian terrorist [sic] are Christian, and, unbelievably, 100% of all the Jewish terrorist [sic] are Jewish.

Matter of fact... this just in... we're now being told that 100% of all Christians are Christian, whether terrorist or not. Same for Jews, Ba'hais, Zoroastrians and probably Shintoists.

WHO knew.

The only thing that could make this a duh shit moment would be when you list the other religions terror attacks. Then we may have an argument. Until then you're just an idiot not looking at the reality of this situation. The only group we need to worry about bombing people is muslims. Period, no argument available.

Fine. We've done this to death before but your ilk usually goes so --- here it is yet again.

>> According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!

The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.

The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? <<

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I really gotta wonder about people who just swallow whole everything the TV tells them, without a second thought about what that material's filters might be.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

100% of all the radical Islamic terrorist are muslims

Duh. No shit.

In a related story 100% of all the radical Christian terrorist [sic] are Christian, and, unbelievably, 100% of all the Jewish terrorist [sic] are Jewish.

Matter of fact... this just in... we're now being told that 100% of all Christians are Christian, whether terrorist or not. Same for Jews, Ba'hais, Zoroastrians and probably Shintoists.

WHO knew.

The only thing that could make this a duh shit moment would be when you list the other religions terror attacks. Then we may have an argument. Until then you're just an idiot not looking at the reality of this situation. The only group we need to worry about bombing people is muslims. Period, no argument available.

Fine. We've done this to death before but your ilk usually goes so --- here it is yet again.

>> According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!

The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.

The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? <<

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I really gotta wonder about people who just swallow whole everything the TV tells them, without a second thought about what that material's filters might be.

You apparently aren't a very bright person. Your source is actually called and has a website called loon watch. Holy shit. No numbers or examples let alone citations for their chart but...well it's a bunch of retarded anyway so why ask for that.

Let's look back at the last 30 years in terrorism.

You would think I would have noticed the great Mexican terror plot at some point yet the only thing I see them doing is coming here illegally which is a problem and needs to be stopped but not our biggest terror threat.

Extreme left wing groups. I don't have an argument they are at least as deadly and willing to kill anyone they an for socialism. Serious problem but not blowing shit up like the muslims.

Others, WTF is an other? An other what? Other muslims?

And the big one, 7%, the Jews. Them dirty fucking bastards are apparently so good at this shit they are blowing people up and nobody even knows! I don't really remember any of these attacks though so how is that possible?

Finally we get to the islamists. The ones that continually blow shit up, throw faggots from buildings, chop off heads, burn people alive and rape women. The shit that's in the news and on TV's daily but you think it's only 6% and should be ignored.

Communists, well yeah. In order for the world to have the paradise of everyone is equal most have to die. You would think that was common knowledge by now. Not like we don't have plenty of examples.

And somehow you went off an searched for this to use as your proof of muslims not being terrorists. PATHETIC IN NOT ONLY EXECUTION BUT FACTS AND REASON.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Bush wanted to make a new Common Enemy

Yes this really sounds like someone trying to villify Muslims and make a new common enemy.

September 20, 2001

I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAAahUKEwj_k7mNmIfIAhXMlQ0KHdHdBLk&url=http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/quotes/george-w-bush-addresses-muslims-in-the-aftermath-of-the-9-11-attacks&usg=AFQjCNFOiiIyv1_RwkcWbh2eqPFvjXTRiA&sig2=NEF8fB6VPFkPQ4GO5FEOCw

Oh, my, politicians would never lie, would they? So it MUST be true.

Remember this. Bush had to keep the Saudis sweet. What he did was more subliminal. He made some American people, you know the ones, the ones who buy any old crap that's advertised on TV or wherever (Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Republican Party, Democrat Party, all that crap), associate bad with Islam. This isn't something he said directly. It's something only people with a brain would actually notice.

 

[frigidweirdo]

"Muslims are responsible for the image the US has of them. Yes, in part this is true. However not ALL MUSLIMS are responsible for this. Some Muslims are. Why should ALL Muslims be responsible for this image that some have made."

For exactly the same reason all Germans were held accountable for the actions of the Nazis.

Or all Americans were held accountable for the actions of Bush in Iraq, or for Vietnam, or for Beirut, or for the support of Israel, or for the Iran-Contra Affair, or for all the other stuff the US govt gets up to.

 

[frigidweirdo]

As I expected, the entire thread is based on a liberal telling a lie about Republicans. No point in reading further. (yawn)

Yeah, sure, someone who doesn't care as long as it fits his own agenda. Even bigger yawn.

Yep, that's the liberal I was referring to.

Why did you reply again?

You really hate it when people point out the truth about your lies, don't you?

Looks like your subsequent attempts to keep people from posting, aren't working out.

Gee, that's too bad.

Oh, I'm perfectly open to SENSIBLE debate. However this isn't what you were giving, so I don't really bother.

 

[Pogo]

You apparently aren't a very bright person. Your source is actually called and has a website called loon watch. Holy shit. No numbers or examples let alone citations for their chart but...well it's a bunch of retarded anyway so why ask for that.

It's linked to FBI statistics. Just as it has been every other time it's been posted here.
Maybe you've heard of the FBI? Maybe not...

You would think I would have noticed the great Mexican terror plot at some point

Them dirty fucking bastards are apparently so good at this shit they are blowing people up and nobody even knows! I don't really remember any of these attacks though so how is that possible?

"If I didn't see it -- it doesn't exist". Poster please. The whole point of that page is what plays in the media, and what doesn't. Gullible's Travels.

Finally we get to the islamists. The ones that continually blow shit up, throw faggots from buildings, chop off heads, burn people alive and rape women. The shit that's in the news and on TV's daily but you think it's only 6% and should be ignored.

See above.
I never said it "should be ignored". I'm simply pointing out that it's not the domination you and your ilk seem to think it is from buying the Pamela Geller hair-on-fire sensationalist bigot bullshit. Now if you're gonna sit here and claim the number of 6% represents some kind of overwhelming majority, well you're not gonna be hired to count votes in my district.