The first amendment allows us to lie to the government

[SuperDemocrat]

I know that no court would ever allow this to happen simply because No one likes being lied to which is why they will allow you to lie to everyone else except them. The first amendment clearly says that no law can abridge the freedom of speech without any exceptions. This is why porn can be freely redistributed anywhere. A basic right to communicate with other human beings seems to be a part of our humanity. It is just humiliating to be told to shut up. Since there are no exceptions explicitly laid out in first amendment I argue that things like conspiracy to commit a crime covered by the first amendment. A lie on a tax form is also protected because if the government only allows you to tell the truth (to them) it has to deny you the right to not tell the truth. It is like the government saying you can only repeat these ideas out loud but not these over here. It is a limit on the first amendment itself.

 

[whitehall]

The 1st Amendment says no such thing. Lying under oath is perjury. Conspiracy to commit a crime is well.....conspiracy.

 

[Pogo]

I know that no court would ever allow this to happen simply because No one likes being lied to which is why they will allow you to lie to everyone else except them. The first amendment clearly says that no law can abridge the freedom of speech without any exceptions. This is why porn can be freely redistributed anywhere. A basic right to communicate with other human beings seems to be a part of our humanity. It is just humiliating to be told to shut up. Since there are no exceptions explicitly laid out in first amendment I argue that things like conspiracy to commit a crime covered by the first amendment. A lie on a tax form is also protected because if the government only allows you to tell the truth (to them) it has to deny you the right to not tell the truth. It is like the government saying you can only repeat these ideas out loud but not these over here. It is a limit on the first amendment itself.

Are you saying that even in McKinney Texas there is no "run your mouth" law??

Who knew.
Might want to let some of our other posters know this breaking news.

 

[PratchettFan]

I know that no court would ever allow this to happen simply because No one likes being lied to which is why they will allow you to lie to everyone else except them. The first amendment clearly says that no law can abridge the freedom of speech without any exceptions. This is why porn can be freely redistributed anywhere. A basic right to communicate with other human beings seems to be a part of our humanity. It is just humiliating to be told to shut up. Since there are no exceptions explicitly laid out in first amendment I argue that things like conspiracy to commit a crime covered by the first amendment. A lie on a tax form is also protected because if the government only allows you to tell the truth (to them) it has to deny you the right to not tell the truth. It is like the government saying you can only repeat these ideas out loud but not these over here. It is a limit on the first amendment itself.

That's the kind of thinking which will get you in jail. I say go for it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

give it a go, superdemocrat

 

[SuperDemocrat]

The 1st Amendment says no such thing. Lying under oath is perjury. Conspiracy to commit a crime is well.....conspiracy.

The terms "except for" and "only when" are not found in the first amendment. It seems to cover every kind of speech imaginable but I suppose we need a practible example as to why this is a bad idea. Let's say some friends plan on robbing a bank because they are desperate for money. Then they change their minds because it's wrong to steel. I'm not sure how conspiracy laws are written but they could be punished for that even though they decided to do the right thing in the end. Does that seem fair? What about the underground railroad. Just planning how to help slaves to escape could land you in jail. Just saying the idea out loud with others could land you in jail. What if I accidently conspire to do something with others that may break a law that I don't even know exist? I don't see the harm in allowing people to conspire considering it is still,illegal to do the actual crime itself. They will still go to jail for the crime but why be punished for communicating your interest in doing the crime in the first place.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I know that no court would ever allow this to happen simply because No one likes being lied to which is why they will allow you to lie to everyone else except them. The first amendment clearly says that no law can abridge the freedom of speech without any exceptions. This is why porn can be freely redistributed anywhere. A basic right to communicate with other human beings seems to be a part of our humanity. It is just humiliating to be told to shut up. Since there are no exceptions explicitly laid out in first amendment I argue that things like conspiracy to commit a crime covered by the first amendment. A lie on a tax form is also protected because if the government only allows you to tell the truth (to them) it has to deny you the right to not tell the truth. It is like the government saying you can only repeat these ideas out loud but not these over here. It is a limit on the first amendment itself.

That's the kind of thinking which will get you in jail. I say go for it.

I know but I often wonder why we have the idea speech is a punishable offence.

 

[PratchettFan]

I know that no court would ever allow this to happen simply because No one likes being lied to which is why they will allow you to lie to everyone else except them. The first amendment clearly says that no law can abridge the freedom of speech without any exceptions. This is why porn can be freely redistributed anywhere. A basic right to communicate with other human beings seems to be a part of our humanity. It is just humiliating to be told to shut up. Since there are no exceptions explicitly laid out in first amendment I argue that things like conspiracy to commit a crime covered by the first amendment. A lie on a tax form is also protected because if the government only allows you to tell the truth (to them) it has to deny you the right to not tell the truth. It is like the government saying you can only repeat these ideas out loud but not these over here. It is a limit on the first amendment itself.

That's the kind of thinking which will get you in jail. I say go for it.

I know but I often wonder why we have the idea speech is a punishable offence.

I can't imagine why.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Speech is not punishable in itself.

Use speech to break the law, then, yes, it is punishable and should be.

 

[whitehall]

The 1st Amendment says no such thing. Lying under oath is perjury. Conspiracy to commit a crime is well.....conspiracy.

The terms "except for" and "only when" are not found in the first amendment. It seems to cover every kind of speech imaginable but I suppose we need a practible example as to why this is a bad idea. Let's say some friends plan on robbing a bank because they are desperate for money. Then they change their minds because it's wrong to steel. I'm not sure how conspiracy laws are written but they could be punished for that even though they decided to do the right thing in the end. Does that seem fair? What about the underground railroad. Just planning how to help slaves to escape could land you in jail. Just saying the idea out loud with others could land you in jail. What if I accidently conspire to do something with others that may break a law that I don't even know exist? I don't see the harm in allowing people to conspire considering it is still,illegal to do the actual crime itself. They will still go to jail for the crime but why be punished for communicating your interest in doing the crime in the first place.

No Amendment in the Bill of Rights guarantees absolute freedom. The Founding Fathers set up the system so that basic rights can be limited by law. Your 2nd Amendment right to possess a firearm is subject to certain restrictions which were upheld by the Supreme Court. You have the absolute right to free speech but if you lie under oath it's a felony. Lying under oath was never reviewed by the Supreme Court because the meaning is so obvious. The system works except when a president thinks of himself as a monarch and starts writing law under the cover of "executive orders". .