The "good thief" was actually a revolutionary and the only person in the Bible we know for sure...

[Penelope]

So you believe in reincarnation, many did back then. (PS: the Elijah story is not a parable)

we are discussing that which is written in the bible. The bear story is a parable----are you
suggesting VOODOO?

I am use to a parable being an analogy, but its a fable or tale or whatever. The point is Elijah cursed the kids.

you are very confused. ' a parable is an analogy ' ???? what does 'Elijah cursed the kids'
mean in your fevered mind? He stuck a pin in voodoo dolls and magically conjured up a bear
to EAT THEM?

That story is just a story, it has no comparison, Jesus used parables, read some of them.

Right-----it is a parable-----a very much used technique in instruction in Hebrew literature.
THE ENTIRE MIDRASH is FULL of them and ---there are lots in the Talmud. Many of
them show up in the New Testament in various forms. <<< I know that because unlike you,
I did read the NT

It sure does not sound like you have read the NT. Very few parables are in the OT.

 

[irosie91]

Elijah, the bald guy who cursed the kids that teased him so the bears killed the kids, yep we can be sure he went to heaven, probably before he was thrown into the pit of endless fire.

Yes----Elijah -----As to bears killing kids------Elijah did not kill anyone-----you are citing
a parable---- Ask your catechism whore who Elijah was (hint-----think "the Baptist")

So you believe in reincarnation, many did back then. (PS: the Elijah story is not a parable)

we are discussing that which is written in the bible. The bear story is a parable----are you
suggesting VOODOO?

I am use to a parable being an analogy, but its a fable or tale or whatever. The point is Elijah cursed the kids.

It is written in Proverbs, let a drunkard drink his wine to ease the troubled soul.

not exactly-----SOLOMON says in lots in proverbs----ALSO alludes to the fact that wine
can ease a troubled heart

 

[irosie91]

we are discussing that which is written in the bible. The bear story is a parable----are you
suggesting VOODOO?

I am use to a parable being an analogy, but its a fable or tale or whatever. The point is Elijah cursed the kids.

you are very confused. ' a parable is an analogy ' ???? what does 'Elijah cursed the kids'
mean in your fevered mind? He stuck a pin in voodoo dolls and magically conjured up a bear
to EAT THEM?

That story is just a story, it has no comparison, Jesus used parables, read some of them.

Right-----it is a parable-----a very much used technique in instruction in Hebrew literature.
THE ENTIRE MIDRASH is FULL of them and ---there are lots in the Talmud. Many of
them show up in the New Testament in various forms. <<< I know that because unlike you,
I did read the NT

It sure does not sound like you have read the NT. Very few parables are in the OT.

wrong again and again

 

[Penelope]

I like the proverbs.

I am use to a parable being an analogy, but its a fable or tale or whatever. The point is Elijah cursed the kids.

you are very confused. ' a parable is an analogy ' ???? what does 'Elijah cursed the kids'
mean in your fevered mind? He stuck a pin in voodoo dolls and magically conjured up a bear
to EAT THEM?

That story is just a story, it has no comparison, Jesus used parables, read some of them.

Right-----it is a parable-----a very much used technique in instruction in Hebrew literature.
THE ENTIRE MIDRASH is FULL of them and ---there are lots in the Talmud. Many of
them show up in the New Testament in various forms. <<< I know that because unlike you,
I did read the NT

It sure does not sound like you have read the NT. Very few parables are in the OT.

wrong again and again

You might want to read it again, it seems your memory is failing you.

 

[irosie91]

I like the proverbs.

you are very confused. ' a parable is an analogy ' ???? what does 'Elijah cursed the kids'
mean in your fevered mind? He stuck a pin in voodoo dolls and magically conjured up a bear
to EAT THEM?

That story is just a story, it has no comparison, Jesus used parables, read some of them.

Right-----it is a parable-----a very much used technique in instruction in Hebrew literature.
THE ENTIRE MIDRASH is FULL of them and ---there are lots in the Talmud. Many of
them show up in the New Testament in various forms. <<< I know that because unlike you,
I did read the NT

It sure does not sound like you have read the NT. Very few parables are in the OT.

wrong again and again

You might want to read it again, it seems your memory is faulting.

your comment is idiotically non-specific which indicates that it is baseless-----
you might just was well sit in a sandbox and yell "your feet stink" to anyone
who passes by

 

[Penelope]

I like the proverbs.

That story is just a story, it has no comparison, Jesus used parables, read some of them.

Right-----it is a parable-----a very much used technique in instruction in Hebrew literature.
THE ENTIRE MIDRASH is FULL of them and ---there are lots in the Talmud. Many of
them show up in the New Testament in various forms. <<< I know that because unlike you,
I did read the NT

It sure does not sound like you have read the NT. Very few parables are in the OT.

wrong again and again

You might want to read it again, it seems your memory is faulting.

your comment is idiotically non-specific which indicates that it is baseless-----
you might just was well sit in a sandbox and yell "your feet stink" to anyone
who passes by

Obviously you do not remember it, and that is only because its been awhile.

 

[irosie91]

I like the proverbs.

Right-----it is a parable-----a very much used technique in instruction in Hebrew literature.
THE ENTIRE MIDRASH is FULL of them and ---there are lots in the Talmud. Many of
them show up in the New Testament in various forms. <<< I know that because unlike you,
I did read the NT

It sure does not sound like you have read the NT. Very few parables are in the OT.

wrong again and again

You might want to read it again, it seems your memory is faulting.

your comment is idiotically non-specific which indicates that it is baseless-----
you might just was well sit in a sandbox and yell "your feet stink" to anyone
who passes by

Obviously you do not remember it, and that is only because its been awhile.

"obviously"..I "do not remember" what? have you already forgotten what
had been sloshing around in your empty head?

 

[Penelope]

I like the proverbs.

It sure does not sound like you have read the NT. Very few parables are in the OT.

wrong again and again

You might want to read it again, it seems your memory is faulting.

your comment is idiotically non-specific which indicates that it is baseless-----
you might just was well sit in a sandbox and yell "your feet stink" to anyone
who passes by

Obviously you do not remember it, and that is only because its been awhile.

"obviously"..I "do not remember" what? have you already forgotten what
had been sloshing around in your empty head?

The NT. I don't remember too much from Pauls books , as I have not read them for a long time, but I know what is in there. I'm not a huge fan of Paul.

 

[irosie91]

I like the proverbs.

wrong again and again

You might want to read it again, it seems your memory is faulting.

your comment is idiotically non-specific which indicates that it is baseless-----
you might just was well sit in a sandbox and yell "your feet stink" to anyone
who passes by

Obviously you do not remember it, and that is only because its been awhile.

"obviously"..I "do not remember" what? have you already forgotten what
had been sloshing around in your empty head?

The NT. I don't remember too much from Pauls books , as I have not read them for a long time, but I know what is in there. I'm not a huge fan of Paul.

Oh---Paul-----I read his crap----YOU CLAIM that I do not know anything about PAUL?
What is it you imagine I do not know?

 

[HaShev]

...went to heaven.

The Catholic Church tells us all the Apostles but Judas went to heaven, but looking only at the Bible, the only person we know for sure went to heaven was the "good thief."

But he wasn't a thief, he was a revolutionary, crucified by the Romans for violently resisting the occupation of Israel.

And he did not go to heaven for a life of good deeds. On the contrary, he was a soldier in a war that could never be won, and in that war, he might have committed terrible atrocities to further his cause.

In the modern era, he might even have qualified as a terrorist, for certainly he was a terrorist in the eyes of the Roman occupation army.

And he did not ask to go to heaven. All he asked of Jesus was that he remember him, when he "entered into his Kingdom."

But in that one profession of faith, all of this man's sins were wiped out, and not only did he go to heaven, he went immediately to heaven, not even spending time in purgatory, where the Catholic Church tells us sinners go to be purified of their sins.

The story tells us a few simple truths.

That faith is so important to God, that even one profession of faith will wipe out a lifetime of sin.

That there is no such thing as a sinner who cannot be redeemed.

That God does not keep a balance sheet of sins and good deeds, the slate can be wiped clean in the moment before death simply by acknowledging Jesus as Lord.

How do you discuss a topic without leaving sources to who you are referring to?
There's 2 thieves in the NT, Jesus Bar-abbas and Jesus who was a *thief of the NIGHT because he is being claimed
"the day" (Morning Star=Lucifer-Rev 22;16).

*-1 Thessalonians 5:2, Matthew 24:43,

The Bible is quite clear that faith is what's required to be saved. James says, we also need good works, because faith without good works is dead. But there is no part of the Bible, not anywhere, that says good works alone will save you, if you don't have faith.

Have you built the Mikdash in the city in his name?
Then how can you say you have faith?

YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36 &
in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)
The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name and essence. In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.
Why is this in the Archangel Michael scroll? Because Shalem
Shalim - Wikipedia
is the Evening Star=
Rising Archangel- Dan 12:1-4
Which is why it says the Temple(MIKdash)
is in his name.
-Melakim {I Kings8:43}(2Chronicles6)
Ma'aser Sheni in the Torah says
About tithing the produced food and eating it at the Temple:
“at the site that He shall choose to place His Name”

("The Name"[HaShem]of God will be in his name-EXODUS 23:20-21 & Hebrew Version of Micah 4:5)

God in the OT said his name was Jealous.

Your new narrative is
Funny, however that can prove my points.
1)Jealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valuedJealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valued relationship is being threatened by a rival. People, especially the Roman church whored after Baal and the son Morning Star
the Rival of Shalem. 2)קָנָא Canna,m'kane,kanan
shows the term could say;
I am a Canaan God not Jealous God.
So your meant to be funny comment still follows my 2 rival Canaanite expressions narrative.

 

[Avatar4321]

Actually the bible says nothing about whether he went to heaven or not. It says Christ would meet Him in paradise that day. But Christ didn't ascend to heaven until after his resurrection which was not the same day he died.

Paradise and heaven are not the same place. Paradise is the home of the righteous who have died and are awaiting the resurrection

 

[PoliticalChic]

...went to heaven.

The Catholic Church tells us all the Apostles but Judas went to heaven, but looking only at the Bible, the only person we know for sure went to heaven was the "good thief."

But he wasn't a thief, he was a revolutionary, crucified by the Romans for violently resisting the occupation of Israel.

And he did not go to heaven for a life of good deeds. On the contrary, he was a soldier in a war that could never be won, and in that war, he might have committed terrible atrocities to further his cause.

In the modern era, he might even have qualified as a terrorist, for certainly he was a terrorist in the eyes of the Roman occupation army.

And he did not ask to go to heaven. All he asked of Jesus was that he remember him, when he "entered into his Kingdom."

But in that one profession of faith, all of this man's sins were wiped out, and not only did he go to heaven, he went immediately to heaven, not even spending time in purgatory, where the Catholic Church tells us sinners go to be purified of their sins.

The story tells us a few simple truths.

That faith is so important to God, that even one profession of faith will wipe out a lifetime of sin.

That there is no such thing as a sinner who cannot be redeemed.

That God does not keep a balance sheet of sins and good deeds, the slate can be wiped clean in the moment before death simply by acknowledging Jesus as Lord.

You boldly claim that “The 'good thief' was actually a revolutionary and the only person in the Bible we know for sure went to Heaven. Anyone who has read the Bible all the way though just once knows you are wrong. The Bible tells of others who went to heaven. Apparently you never heard of Enoch and Elijah.

“And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him”” (Geneis 5:23, 24, KJV).

“And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” (2 Kings 2:11, KJV).

I have been studying the Bible for about 65 years and I know it fairly well. I am going to give you a link to the best Bible study tool available. The site has dozens of different versions in multiple languages. The best thing is that it has easy to use word-search and verse-search which enables you to quickly compare one version to another. Here's the link

BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.

I like how you post, Professor.

 

[Penelope]

...went to heaven.

The Catholic Church tells us all the Apostles but Judas went to heaven, but looking only at the Bible, the only person we know for sure went to heaven was the "good thief."

But he wasn't a thief, he was a revolutionary, crucified by the Romans for violently resisting the occupation of Israel.

And he did not go to heaven for a life of good deeds. On the contrary, he was a soldier in a war that could never be won, and in that war, he might have committed terrible atrocities to further his cause.

In the modern era, he might even have qualified as a terrorist, for certainly he was a terrorist in the eyes of the Roman occupation army.

And he did not ask to go to heaven. All he asked of Jesus was that he remember him, when he "entered into his Kingdom."

But in that one profession of faith, all of this man's sins were wiped out, and not only did he go to heaven, he went immediately to heaven, not even spending time in purgatory, where the Catholic Church tells us sinners go to be purified of their sins.

The story tells us a few simple truths.

That faith is so important to God, that even one profession of faith will wipe out a lifetime of sin.

That there is no such thing as a sinner who cannot be redeemed.

That God does not keep a balance sheet of sins and good deeds, the slate can be wiped clean in the moment before death simply by acknowledging Jesus as Lord.

How do you discuss a topic without leaving sources to who you are referring to?
There's 2 thieves in the NT, Jesus Bar-abbas and Jesus who was a *thief of the NIGHT because he is being claimed
"the day" (Morning Star=Lucifer-Rev 22;16).

*-1 Thessalonians 5:2, Matthew 24:43,

The Bible is quite clear that faith is what's required to be saved. James says, we also need good works, because faith without good works is dead. But there is no part of the Bible, not anywhere, that says good works alone will save you, if you don't have faith.

Have you built the Mikdash in the city in his name?
Then how can you say you have faith?

YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36 &
in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)
The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name and essence. In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.
Why is this in the Archangel Michael scroll? Because Shalem
Shalim - Wikipedia
is the Evening Star=
Rising Archangel- Dan 12:1-4
Which is why it says the Temple(MIKdash)
is in his name.
-Melakim {I Kings8:43}(2Chronicles6)
Ma'aser Sheni in the Torah says
About tithing the produced food and eating it at the Temple:
“at the site that He shall choose to place His Name”

("The Name"[HaShem]of God will be in his name-EXODUS 23:20-21 & Hebrew Version of Micah 4:5)

God in the OT said his name was Jealous.

Your new narrative is
Funny, however that can prove my points.
1)Jealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valuedJealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valued relationship is being threatened by a rival. People, especially the Roman church whored after Baal and the son Morning Star
the Rival of Shalem. 2)קָנָא Canna,m'kane,kanan
shows the term could say;
I am a Canaan God not Jealous God.
So your meant to be funny comment still follows my 2 rival Canaanite expressions narrative.

Exodus 34:14King James Version (KJV)

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

 

[irosie91]

...went to heaven.

The Catholic Church tells us all the Apostles but Judas went to heaven, but looking only at the Bible, the only person we know for sure went to heaven was the "good thief."

But he wasn't a thief, he was a revolutionary, crucified by the Romans for violently resisting the occupation of Israel.

And he did not go to heaven for a life of good deeds. On the contrary, he was a soldier in a war that could never be won, and in that war, he might have committed terrible atrocities to further his cause.

In the modern era, he might even have qualified as a terrorist, for certainly he was a terrorist in the eyes of the Roman occupation army.

And he did not ask to go to heaven. All he asked of Jesus was that he remember him, when he "entered into his Kingdom."

But in that one profession of faith, all of this man's sins were wiped out, and not only did he go to heaven, he went immediately to heaven, not even spending time in purgatory, where the Catholic Church tells us sinners go to be purified of their sins.

The story tells us a few simple truths.

That faith is so important to God, that even one profession of faith will wipe out a lifetime of sin.

That there is no such thing as a sinner who cannot be redeemed.

That God does not keep a balance sheet of sins and good deeds, the slate can be wiped clean in the moment before death simply by acknowledging Jesus as Lord.

How do you discuss a topic without leaving sources to who you are referring to?
There's 2 thieves in the NT, Jesus Bar-abbas and Jesus who was a *thief of the NIGHT because he is being claimed
"the day" (Morning Star=Lucifer-Rev 22;16).

*-1 Thessalonians 5:2, Matthew 24:43,

The Bible is quite clear that faith is what's required to be saved. James says, we also need good works, because faith without good works is dead. But there is no part of the Bible, not anywhere, that says good works alone will save you, if you don't have faith.

Have you built the Mikdash in the city in his name?
Then how can you say you have faith?

YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36 &
in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)
The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name and essence. In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.
Why is this in the Archangel Michael scroll? Because Shalem
Shalim - Wikipedia
is the Evening Star=
Rising Archangel- Dan 12:1-4
Which is why it says the Temple(MIKdash)
is in his name.
-Melakim {I Kings8:43}(2Chronicles6)
Ma'aser Sheni in the Torah says
About tithing the produced food and eating it at the Temple:
“at the site that He shall choose to place His Name”

("The Name"[HaShem]of God will be in his name-EXODUS 23:20-21 & Hebrew Version of Micah 4:5)

God in the OT said his name was Jealous.

Your new narrative is
Funny, however that can prove my points.
1)Jealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valuedJealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valued relationship is being threatened by a rival. People, especially the Roman church whored after Baal and the son Morning Star
the Rival of Shalem. 2)קָנָא Canna,m'kane,kanan
shows the term could say;
I am a Canaan God not Jealous God.
So your meant to be funny comment still follows my 2 rival Canaanite expressions narrative.

Exodus 34:14King James Version (KJV)

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

what point are you STRUGGLING to make, penny dear? I have shocking news for you-----
the book of exodus was not written in English. How did you manage in high school literature class?
Did you imagine that the Odyssey was written in the gutter form of English which was almost your
mother tongue?

 

[HaShev]

...went to heaven.

The Catholic Church tells us all the Apostles but Judas went to heaven, but looking only at the Bible, the only person we know for sure went to heaven was the "good thief."

But he wasn't a thief, he was a revolutionary, crucified by the Romans for violently resisting the occupation of Israel.

And he did not go to heaven for a life of good deeds. On the contrary, he was a soldier in a war that could never be won, and in that war, he might have committed terrible atrocities to further his cause.

In the modern era, he might even have qualified as a terrorist, for certainly he was a terrorist in the eyes of the Roman occupation army.

And he did not ask to go to heaven. All he asked of Jesus was that he remember him, when he "entered into his Kingdom."

But in that one profession of faith, all of this man's sins were wiped out, and not only did he go to heaven, he went immediately to heaven, not even spending time in purgatory, where the Catholic Church tells us sinners go to be purified of their sins.

The story tells us a few simple truths.

That faith is so important to God, that even one profession of faith will wipe out a lifetime of sin.

That there is no such thing as a sinner who cannot be redeemed.

That God does not keep a balance sheet of sins and good deeds, the slate can be wiped clean in the moment before death simply by acknowledging Jesus as Lord.

How do you discuss a topic without leaving sources to who you are referring to?
There's 2 thieves in the NT, Jesus Bar-abbas and Jesus who was a *thief of the NIGHT because he is being claimed
"the day" (Morning Star=Lucifer-Rev 22;16).

*-1 Thessalonians 5:2, Matthew 24:43,

The Bible is quite clear that faith is what's required to be saved. James says, we also need good works, because faith without good works is dead. But there is no part of the Bible, not anywhere, that says good works alone will save you, if you don't have faith.

Have you built the Mikdash in the city in his name?
Then how can you say you have faith?

YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36 &
in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)
The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name and essence. In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.
Why is this in the Archangel Michael scroll? Because Shalem
Shalim - Wikipedia
is the Evening Star=
Rising Archangel- Dan 12:1-4
Which is why it says the Temple(MIKdash)
is in his name.
-Melakim {I Kings8:43}(2Chronicles6)
Ma'aser Sheni in the Torah says
About tithing the produced food and eating it at the Temple:
“at the site that He shall choose to place His Name”

("The Name"[HaShem]of God will be in his name-EXODUS 23:20-21 & Hebrew Version of Micah 4:5)

God in the OT said his name was Jealous.

Your new narrative is
Funny, however that can prove my points.
1)Jealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valuedJealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valued relationship is being threatened by a rival. People, especially the Roman church whored after Baal and the son Morning Star
the Rival of Shalem. 2)קָנָא Canna,m'kane,kanan
shows the term could say;
I am a Canaan God not Jealous God.
So your meant to be funny comment still follows my 2 rival Canaanite expressions narrative.

Exodus 34:14King James Version (KJV)

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

You know King James didn't write the Torah, so why would you use that interpretation?
Exodus 34:14
For you shall not prostrate yourself before another god, because the Lord, Whose Name is "Jealous One," is a jealous God.

Jealous(M'kane)One(YACHID or `echadh)
Y=H sound CH=SH sound.