The greater good trumps the desires of an individual

[Billy000]

That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

 

[S.J.]

Fail.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

Look at his profile titles: “Pro-Government Progressive”

Obviously, someone who sees government as the vehicle to achieve “the greater good”; with individuals as having no higher role than as servants to that government, to be used as government deems appropriate to achieve this “higher good”.

He may very well, indeed, “…know nothing of foundational American thought”; more likely, he knows it and does not agree with it.

 

[Illya. K. Makrus]

Sounds pretty Chinese/Japanese to me...
I would concede that it is applicable to certain situations, but definitely not for others.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Sounds pretty Chinese/Japanese to me...
I would concede that it is applicable to certain situations, but definitely not for others.

Precisely.

"The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."

 

[Billy000]

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

Murder is illegal for a reason.

 

[Billy000]

Sounds pretty Chinese/Japanese to me...
I would concede that it is applicable to certain situations, but definitely not for others.

I believe that any personal freedom is important so long as it doesn't impede society.

 

[blackhawk]

The greater good sounds rather subjective one persons greater good could be another persons nightmare.

 

[Billy000]

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

Look at his profile titles: “Pro-Government Progressive”

Obviously, someone who sees government as the vehicle to achieve “the greater good”; with individuals as having no higher role than as servants to that government, to be used as government deems appropriate to achieve this “higher good”.

He may very well, indeed, “…know nothing of foundational American thought”; more likely, he knows it and does not agree with it.

The greater good can not be achieved without government.

 

[Little-Acorn]

The greater good trumps the desires of an individual
That should be the model of American politics.
The greater good can not be achieved without government.

An obvious troll thread. Recite silly balderdash and wait for outrage.

Fail.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

Murder is illegal for a reason.

Please make sense so that I may respond.

 

[Illya. K. Makrus]

Sounds pretty Chinese/Japanese to me...
I would concede that it is applicable to certain situations, but definitely not for others.

I believe that any personal freedom is important so long as it doesn't impede society.

I'm not being sarcastic or something, but if you got a chance, you might want to visit China or Japan or talk to people from these countries. They could tell you what it's like living with similar beliefs. For me, I like it our way muuuuch better.

 

[bripat9643]

That should be the model of American politics.

That's the model for fascism.

 

[bripat9643]

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

Look at his profile titles: “Pro-Government Progressive”

Obviously, someone who sees government as the vehicle to achieve “the greater good”; with individuals as having no higher role than as servants to that government, to be used as government deems appropriate to achieve this “higher good”.

He may very well, indeed, “…know nothing of foundational American thought”; more likely, he knows it and does not agree with it.

The greater good can not be achieved without government.

Every dictator would agree with you.

 

[Billy000]

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

Look at his profile titles: “Pro-Government Progressive”

Obviously, someone who sees government as the vehicle to achieve “the greater good”; with individuals as having no higher role than as servants to that government, to be used as government deems appropriate to achieve this “higher good”.

He may very well, indeed, “…know nothing of foundational American thought”; more likely, he knows it and does not agree with it.

The greater good can not be achieved without government.

Every dictator would agree with you.

Except that dictators only push policies that benefit them. In our society, murder, theft, rape etc are illegal for a reason. Personal desires that harm others. My reasoning is no different from that.

 

[Billy000]

Sounds pretty Chinese/Japanese to me...
I would concede that it is applicable to certain situations, but definitely not for others.

I believe that any personal freedom is important so long as it doesn't impede society.

I'm not being sarcastic or something, but if you got a chance, you might want to visit China or Japan or talk to people from these countries. They could tell you what it's like living with similar beliefs. For me, I like it our way muuuuch better.

Our society already reflects what I am talking about. Murder, rape, theft etc. are all illegal for a reason.

 

[Agit8r]

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

lol

"Government is instituted for the common good, for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people, and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government, and to reform, alter, or totally change the same when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."
-- Constitution of Massachusetts (1780)

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

lol

"Government is instituted for the common good, for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people, and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government, and to reform, alter, or totally change the same when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."
-- Constitution of Massachusetts (1780)

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society."
- Thomas Jefferson

Tom, right off the top. And then you have -

"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all."
- Nikita S. Khrushchev

"The unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual; and that the higher interests involved in the life of the whole must here set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual."
- Adolph Hitler

"We need to stop worrying about the rights of the individual and start worrying about what is best for society."
- Hillary Clinton

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
- Hillary Clinton

"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole."
- Joseph Goebbels

Color coded for your political convenience. There are more available.

 

[andrewjbo]

There is no society without individual freedom. Start at the birth of the country. Individuals joined together to be free from religion, poverty to name a couple. The greater good is achieved by individuals doing what they want. Not what their told. The greater good... I got ya, you want the people who bust their asses to get where their at to support those to lazy and to entitled to be bothered about bettering their selves. Please go outside and thank the trees for wasting the oxygen they produce.

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