The "gun show loophole" myth, laid to rest.

[Dante Reawakened]

Private sales are written into the law. The GCA of 1968.

In 1968, Congress passed the Gun Control Act (GCA), under which modern firearm commerce operates. The GCA mandated Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs) for those "engaged in the business" of selling firearms, but not for private individuals who sold firearms infrequently

Gun show loophole - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

exactly: "A loophole is a technicality that allows a person or business to avoid the scope of a law or restriction without directly violating the law."

Your attempting to refute something I did not claim: private sales are not legal

try and keep up

next

 

[Bell Huey]

exactly: "A loophole is a technicality that allows a person or business to avoid the scope of a law or restriction without directly violating the law."

Your attempting to refute something I did not claim: private sales are not legal

try and keep up

next

Junior, you need to keep up:

Your wordas:

let's go with this: What Is a Loophole? A loophole is a technicality that allows a person or business to avoid the scope of a law or restriction without directly violating the law.

Private sales are the loophole.

Glad that's settled.

Private sales are not a loophole nor did I claim you said they are not legal. This is not a topic you want to bring your B game to if you get into with me.

Now, stop seeing shit that ain't there.

Nice to meet ya!

 

[Dante Reawakened]

False. This was addressed in the OP.

A "loophole" is a legal way to avoid a legal requirement.

Private sales do not avoid the federal requirement for background checks, because there is no federal background check requirement for private sales.

A person cannot avoid, legally or otherwise, a legal requirement that does not exist.
A loophole is a legal way to circumvent a legal requirement; thus, if there is no legal requirement, there can be no loophole.

"A loophole is a technicality that allows a person or business to avoid the scope of a law or restriction without directly violating the law."

private sales are the loophole in gun laws.

I've had concealed carry permits. I am not anti gun ownership. I am for being able to carry concealed. I do not argue against most sensible and sane requirements for owning and possessing firearms. I am not a KneeJerk 'Support the NRA' loser, willing to give $$$ to a bunch of con men and thieves.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

So they clearly say they knowingly went to a person who wasn't a licensed dealer. They should have reported him to the BATF who would have put him into jail for being an unlicensed dealer. He was clearly making a living selling firearms. That just happens to be a felony.
Here's a description of Ohio gun laws when this video was made:
"

Gun Laws Overview​

	RIFLES & SHOTGUNS	HANDGUNS
Permit to Purchase	No	No
Registration of Firearms	No	No
Licensing of Owners	No	No
Permit to Carry	No	Yes

" In Ohio it was illegal to sell to a minor under 18, the guy in the video was clearly over 18 and the seller questioned that and verified that the buyer was an Ohio resident. While violating federal law, the seller was in compliance with Ohio law.

It's not their job.

 

[M14 Shooter]

"A loophole is a technicality that allows a person or business to avoid the scope of a law or restriction without directly violating the law."
private sales are the loophole in gun laws.

Private sales do not allow a person to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law.
So... no.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Private sales do not allow a person to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law.
So... no.

private sales are the loophole in gun sale laws.

 

[M14 Shooter]

private sales are the loophole in gun sale laws.

Private sales do not allow a person to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law.
So... no.
Repeating yoruself will not change this.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Private sales do not allow a person to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law.
So... no.
Repeating yoruself will not change this.

private sales are the loophole in gun sale laws.

"A loophole is a technicality that allows a person or business to avoid the scope of a law or restriction without directly violating the law."

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Private sales do not allow a person to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law.
So... no.
Repeating yoruself will not change this.

Funny, because you guys go on sooo looong in order to try and refute the loophole: The “Gun Show” Loophole: Myth or Fact? Is it Real? – Fact and Myth

 

[M14 Shooter]

private sales are the loophole in gun sale laws.

Its clear all you plan to do here is lie.
Thank you for making it clear I need waste no more time on you.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Private sales do not allow a person to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law.
So... no.
Repeating yoruself will not change this.

Federal law barred Jody Lee Hunt from ever owning a gun. But when he wanted to buy one, it wasn’t hard: He found a seller on Facebook.

Mr. Hunt was a felon who had spent time in prison for abducting a girlfriend. But in December 2014, he used the handgun he found online to carry out a rampage in West Virginia, the authorities said, killing his ex-girlfriend, a rival business owner, and two others. In a note he wrote before turning the gun on himself, he said he wanted his victims to get “their fair pay of hurt.”

Millions of people in the United States are prohibited from owning firearms under federal law. They include felons like Mr. Hunt as well as fugitives, people adjudicated to be mentally ill, those dishonorably discharged from the military, and also convicted domestic abusers or others subject to domestic violence restraining orders.

They are supposed to be blocked by a federal instant background check database that licensed firearms dealers are required to query before handing weapons over to a buyer. This system has barred more than three million sales since it was enacted in 1993.

- nyt quote

 

[Dante Reawakened]

nyt quote:

But federal gun laws contain a major loophole: Transactions between private sellers and buyers do not require a background check. That used to typically just mean sales at gun shows, or through listings found in classified ads. But that was before the internet made it as easy as a few mouse clicks to find a gun for sale from a private seller on an online marketplace or through social media.

The result: About one in five gun buys is conducted with no background check, according to Brady, a gun violence prevention group named for James Brady, Ronald Reagan’s press secretary, who was disabled by an assassination attempt against the former president

“The advent of the internet has completely changed the game,” said Christian Heyne, Brady’s vice president of policy.

The loophole has remained in place despite polls showing high levels of public support for making all firearms sales subject to background checks. Gun-control activists see closing the loophole as the foundation for a comprehensive gun violence reduction plan, while the gun lobby, and many Republicans, have been vehemently opposed.

 

[AZrailwhale]

nyt quote:

But federal gun laws contain a major loophole: Transactions between private sellers and buyers do not require a background check. That used to typically just mean sales at gun shows, or through listings found in classified ads. But that was before the internet made it as easy as a few mouse clicks to find a gun for sale from a private seller on an online marketplace or through social media.

The result: About one in five gun buys is conducted with no background check, according to Brady, a gun violence prevention group named for James Brady, Ronald Reagan’s press secretary, who was disabled by an assassination attempt against the former president

“The advent of the internet has completely changed the game,” said Christian Heyne, Brady’s vice president of policy.

The loophole has remained in place despite polls showing high levels of public support for making all firearms sales subject to background checks. Gun-control activists see closing the loophole as the foundation for a comprehensive gun violence reduction plan, while the gun lobby, and many Republicans, have been vehemently opposed.

By law, any guns bought on the internet have to be shipped to a federally licensed gun dealer who them must make all the mandatory background checks and whatever waiting periods are required. Anyone not doing that is a criminal and had committeed a felony.

 

[Bell Huey]

nyt quote:

But federal gun laws contain a major loophole: Transactions between private sellers and buyers do not require a background check. That used to typically just mean sales at gun shows, or through listings found in classified ads. But that was before the internet made it as easy as a few mouse clicks to find a gun for sale from a private seller on an online marketplace or through social media.

The result: About one in five gun buys is conducted with no background check, according to Brady, a gun violence prevention group named for James Brady, Ronald Reagan’s press secretary, who was disabled by an assassination attempt against the former president

“The advent of the internet has completely changed the game,” said Christian Heyne, Brady’s vice president of policy.

The loophole has remained in place despite polls showing high levels of public support for making all firearms sales subject to background checks. Gun-control activists see closing the loophole as the foundation for a comprehensive gun violence reduction plan, while the gun lobby, and many Republicans, have been vehemently opposed.

Let's start here:

But federal gun laws contain a major loophole: Transactions between private sellers and buyers do not require a background check. That used to typically just mean sales at gun shows, or through listings found in classified ads. But that was before the internet made it as easy as a few mouse clicks to find a gun for sale from a private seller on an online marketplace or through social media.

1. There is no loophole. People are allowed to sell firearms from there own collection IF they are not doing it as a business. That is the law. If your state requires a UBC even private sales will have to thru an FFL.

2. No, it did not mean typically gun shows. The majority of firearm sellers at gun shows are FFLs doing business. That means there sales, by federal law, have to have a background check done. If the state where the gun show is held has a law stating all transfers must have a BC done then even the private transaction are required to do it. Many promoters of shows require it. The alleged "gun show loophole" is nothing more than what you falsely call the private sales loophole.

3. Private sellers using the internet can only sell to people in their own state. If out of the state the sale has to go thru a local FFL. Which means a BC has to be done. And again if you live in a state with BC laws that sale also has to go thru an FFL.

“The advent of the internet has completely changed the game,” said Christian Heyne, Brady’s vice president of policy.

Not really. See above.

The loophole has remained in place despite polls showing high levels of public support for making all firearms sales subject to background checks. Gun-control activists see closing the loophole as the foundation for a comprehensive gun violence reduction plan, while the gun lobby, and many Republicans, have been vehemently opposed.

All you have to do is lobby your state legislature to write a bill that requires BCs for all firearm transactions.

Told you that you would need to bring more than a B game to the table.

 

[M14 Shooter]

By law, any guns bought on the internet have to be shipped to a federally licensed gun dealer who them must make all the mandatory background checks and whatever waiting periods are required. Anyone not doing that is a criminal and had committeed a felony.

Because it is impossoble to legally avoid the background checks mandadted by federal law.
Thus: No loophole.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Let's start here:



1. There is no loophole. People are allowed to sell firearms from there own collection IF they are not doing it as a business. That is the law. If your state requires a UBC even private sales will have to thru an FFL.

2. No, it did not mean typically gun shows. The majority of firearm sellers at gun shows are FFLs doing business. That means there sales, by federal law, have to have a background check done. If the state where the gun show is held has a law stating all transfers must have a BC done then even the private transaction are required to do it. Many promoters of shows require it. The alleged "gun show loophole" is nothing more than what you falsely call the private sales loophole.

3. Private sellers using the internet can only sell to people in their own state. If out of the state the sale has to go thru a local FFL. Which means a BC has to be done. And again if you live in a state with BC laws that sale also has to go thru an FFL.



Not really. See above.



All you have to do is lobby your state legislature to write a bill that requires BCs for all firearm transactions.

Told you that you would need to bring more than a B game to the table.

Dance. stretch. Breathe. Dance...

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Because it is impossoble to legally avoid the background checks mandadted by federal law.
Thus: No loophole.

Universal Background Checks

So-called “Universal Background Checks” on private party transactions impose heavy regulatory burdens on federally licensed firearms retailers.

www.nssf.org

Is this true: "The U.S. Department of Justice, says federal law does not require universal background checks."

 

[Bell Huey]

Dance. stretch. Breathe. Dance...

I accept your surrender. You are unable to refute a thing I posted.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A "loophole" is a legal way to avoid a legal requirement.
Private sales do not avoid the federal requirement for background checks, because there is no federal background check requirement for private sales.
A person cannot avoid, legally or otherwise, a legal requirement that does not exist.
A loophole is a legal way to circumvent a legal requirement; thus, if there is no legal requirement, there can be no loophole.

Glad that's settled

This is a lie, typical of the dishonest right.

In addition to the gun show loophole there's the shopping center parking lot loophole, the gun range loophole, and the backyard loophole.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

I accept your surrender. You are unable to refute a thing I posted.

You dance around inconvenient facts