The Homosexual Dilemma

[GreenBean]

Huh... Ok. Care to educate me on the result of Nero's reign? Did it provide Rome with great success, happiness and prosperity? Was Rome strengthened by Nero's adherence to sexual abnormality?

Or not...? And by that I mean, the old saw: Nero fiddled as Rome burned", do ya suppose that came as a result of Nero being one associated with "inspired reasoning" , or something else?

Take your time... .

Does the fact that you are married make you an intellectual? Take your time to think about it.

Nero was known to ride around his courtyard butt naked - jerking off while people were hung on poles and burnt alive - but hey that was his sexual disposition - That's how he got his rocks off - who are we to Judge ?

I have no problem judging murderers- or distinguishing between rapists and consenting adults having sex.

You apparently however do.

Do you understand the connection between Homosexuality,Bestiality,Pedophilia,Necrophilia and assorted sexual dysphorias ? ---- are you aware of the "50 shades of Gay"

Name that connection, please.

Start Here - let me know if you are able to comprehend it , sorry not too many pictures

Paraphilias Sexuality and Sexual Disorders Merck Manual Professional

 

[Seawytch]

Gender

There are only two correct answers - Male and Female -

Undecided -
Both of the Above
None of the Above
are not options on this multiple choice quiz.

If you tell a white person they can only marry another white person, you are discriminating based on race.

If you tell a female person they can only marry a male person, you are discriminating based on gender.

There is no rational basis for either.

That is your opinion.

Then so is yours.

Backed by law and our legal marriage license.

Listen, Trout, the law doesn't have the power to make you married. It can only reinforce your delusions with the illusion of legitimacy that it cannot now or ever possibly possess.

When it comes to legal, civil marriage the law most certainly does have the power to make us married...and it did. Gays ARE legally marrying despite your opinion about their legal marriages.

The law does not have the power to turn wrong into right although it has repeatedly tried throughout the history of civilization. Faux legitimacy is not the same as intrinsic validity. Your delusions are reinforced by politicians, but they are still delusions.

That you ascribe wrong is your opinion. Your idea of wrong is not a rational basis upon which to deny equality.

Your opinion does not change the legal recognition of my civil marriage.

 

[GreenBean]

If you tell a white person they can only marry another white person, you are discriminating based on race.

If you tell a female person they can only marry a male person, you are discriminating based on gender.

There is no rational basis for either.

Then so is yours.

Backed by law and our legal marriage license.

Listen, Trout, the law doesn't have the power to make you married. It can only reinforce your delusions with the illusion of legitimacy that it cannot now or ever possibly possess.

When it comes to legal, civil marriage the law most certainly does have the power to make us married...and it did. Gays ARE legally marrying despite your opinion about their legal marriages.

The law does not have the power to turn wrong into right although it has repeatedly tried throughout the history of civilization. Faux legitimacy is not the same as intrinsic validity. Your delusions are reinforced by politicians, but they are still delusions.

That you ascribe wrong is your opinion. Your idea of wrong is not a rational basis upon which to deny equality.

Your opinion does not change the legal recognition of my civil marriage.

Your Marriage may be a legal marriage - and you have every right that all adults have - It's a LEGAL marriage only and REAL people - SANE people will always laugh at you behind your back .... or in my case, as with the growing number of disgusted sane people - it shant be behind your back . Push the issue and it won't be laughs you get in your face - although you're accustomed to wiping saliva and other bodily fluids I would assume.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

If you tell a white person they can only marry another white person, you are discriminating based on race.

If you tell a female person they can only marry a male person, you are discriminating based on gender.

There is no rational basis for either.

Then so is yours.

Backed by law and our legal marriage license.

Listen, Trout, the law doesn't have the power to make you married. It can only reinforce your delusions with the illusion of legitimacy that it cannot now or ever possibly possess.

When it comes to legal, civil marriage the law most certainly does have the power to make us married...and it did. Gays ARE legally marrying despite your opinion about their legal marriages.

The law does not have the power to turn wrong into right although it has repeatedly tried throughout the history of civilization. Faux legitimacy is not the same as intrinsic validity. Your delusions are reinforced by politicians, but they are still delusions.

That you ascribe wrong is your opinion. Your idea of wrong is not a rational basis upon which to deny equality.

Your opinion does not change the legal recognition of my civil marriage.

Sweetie, I'm not contesting the legal status of your confounded liaison. I'm saying that legal status cannot turn wrong into right or grant true legitimacy. Try to pay attention to people's words, and try not to lie anymore. It causes delays in the conversation as we have to sift fact from fiction. In fact, the justices didn't "laugh out loud" while the Virginia attorney general was presenting oral arguments. You lied about that.

Stop lying, Leftists!

 

[Seawytch]

no its not, that is THE PRIMARY question in this debate. You want gay marriage but you want to prohibit polysexual marriage--------on what legal basis do you want to prohibit multiple marriage? If you answer truthfully you will repeat the exact reasons many give for opposing gay marriage, but you won't answer truthfully so its a moot point

So you need a rational basis for banning polygamy.

Here you go: The Perils of Polygamy

You really are attached to your slippery slope!

What next? "Then tell me why you can't marry a dog"?

Why can't you marry a dog? Specifically?

Another Conservative unable to understand the concept of 'consent'

If the child consents, there goes your argument. What you on the immoral Left don't understand is that current laws stating that children don't possess the mens rea to consent to sex with an adult is based on moral ramparts. When you keep eroding morality, you have no control over what topples by consequence. I will be among the holdout remnants fighting to preserve the innocence of children, but we won't be enough. When society collectively abandons all moral restraint, anything goes. I mean anything.

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

 

[Seawytch]

Backed by law and our legal marriage license.

Listen, Trout, the law doesn't have the power to make you married. It can only reinforce your delusions with the illusion of legitimacy that it cannot now or ever possibly possess.

When it comes to legal, civil marriage the law most certainly does have the power to make us married...and it did. Gays ARE legally marrying despite your opinion about their legal marriages.

The law does not have the power to turn wrong into right although it has repeatedly tried throughout the history of civilization. Faux legitimacy is not the same as intrinsic validity. Your delusions are reinforced by politicians, but they are still delusions.

That you ascribe wrong is your opinion. Your idea of wrong is not a rational basis upon which to deny equality.

Your opinion does not change the legal recognition of my civil marriage.

Sweetie, I'm not contesting the legal status of your confounded liaison. I'm saying that legal status cannot turn wrong into right or grant true legitimacy. Try to pay attention to people's words, and try not to lie anymore. It causes delays in the conversation as we have to sift fact from fiction. In fact, the justices didn't "laugh out loud" while the Virginia attorney general was presenting oral arguments. You lied about that.

Stop lying, Leftists!

And what you are "saying" is just a bigot's opinion. Doesn't make my marriage license disappear.

Justices did laugh out loud. You were mistaken. Let it go.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

no its not, that is THE PRIMARY question in this debate. You want gay marriage but you want to prohibit polysexual marriage--------on what legal basis do you want to prohibit multiple marriage? If you answer truthfully you will repeat the exact reasons many give for opposing gay marriage, but you won't answer truthfully so its a moot point

So you need a rational basis for banning polygamy.

Here you go: The Perils of Polygamy

You really are attached to your slippery slope!

What next? "Then tell me why you can't marry a dog"?

Why can't you marry a dog? Specifically?

Another Conservative unable to understand the concept of 'consent'

If the child consents, there goes your argument. What you on the immoral Left don't understand is that current laws stating that children don't possess the mens rea to consent to sex with an adult is based on moral ramparts. When you keep eroding morality, you have no control over what topples by consequence. I will be among the holdout remnants fighting to preserve the innocence of children, but we won't be enough. When society collectively abandons all moral restraint, anything goes. I mean anything.

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

States are raising the age of consent because 3/4ths of the legislatures and governors are Republican. So now conservatism is being advanced on a state level. You didn't really think you immoral Leftists had anything to do with that, did you?

 

[Lilah]

Does the fact that you are married make you an intellectual? Take your time to think about it.

Nero was known to ride around his courtyard butt naked - jerking off while people were hung on poles and burnt alive - but hey that was his sexual disposition - That's how he got his rocks off - who are we to Judge ?

I have no problem judging murderers- or distinguishing between rapists and consenting adults having sex.

You apparently however do.

Do you understand the connection between Homosexuality,Bestiality,Pedophilia,Necrophilia and assorted sexual dysphorias ? ---- are you aware of the "50 shades of Gay"

Name that connection, please.

Start Here - let me know if you are able to comprehend it , sorry not too many pictures

Paraphilias Sexuality and Sexual Disorders Merck Manual Professional

You are quite smug, aren't you. If you believe there is a connection between homosexuality, ,beastialality, pedophilia, necrophilia and assorted sexual (dysphorias), including authors such as E.L. James, then surely you must also believe that there is a connection between depression, apathy and murder. What would you say is the connection between sociopathic serial killers and gender dysphoria serial killers?
What would you say is the connection between a man who sits in front of his computer all day and watches porn and a woman who has read Fifty Shades of Gray and wants to participate in sexual games or a President who likes to play sexual games in the Oval Office?

 

[Seawytch]

So you need a rational basis for banning polygamy.

Here you go: The Perils of Polygamy

You really are attached to your slippery slope!

What next? "Then tell me why you can't marry a dog"?

Why can't you marry a dog? Specifically?

Another Conservative unable to understand the concept of 'consent'

If the child consents, there goes your argument. What you on the immoral Left don't understand is that current laws stating that children don't possess the mens rea to consent to sex with an adult is based on moral ramparts. When you keep eroding morality, you have no control over what topples by consequence. I will be among the holdout remnants fighting to preserve the innocence of children, but we won't be enough. When society collectively abandons all moral restraint, anything goes. I mean anything.

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

States are raising the age of consent because 3/4ths of the legislatures and governors are Republican. So now conservatism is being advanced on a state level. You didn't really think you immoral Leftists had anything to do with that, did you?

They aren't being changed by the current kooky crop. Man, you just can't help yourself can you?

Age of consent laws have ONLY been going up in the US. You made the claim that marriage equality will cause them to be lowered. You're "mistaken" again. (Gays have been marrying for a decade in Massachusetts.)

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Why can't you marry a dog? Specifically?

Another Conservative unable to understand the concept of 'consent'

If the child consents, there goes your argument. What you on the immoral Left don't understand is that current laws stating that children don't possess the mens rea to consent to sex with an adult is based on moral ramparts. When you keep eroding morality, you have no control over what topples by consequence. I will be among the holdout remnants fighting to preserve the innocence of children, but we won't be enough. When society collectively abandons all moral restraint, anything goes. I mean anything.

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

States are raising the age of consent because 3/4ths of the legislatures and governors are Republican. So now conservatism is being advanced on a state level. You didn't really think you immoral Leftists had anything to do with that, did you?

They aren't being changed by the current kooky crop. Man, you just can't help yourself can you?

Age of consent laws have ONLY been going up in the US. You made the claim that marriage equality will cause them to be lowered. You're "mistaken" again. (Gays have been marrying for a decade in Massachusetts.)

Yes. Age of consent going up, states controlled by Republican governors and legislatures. Shall I connect the dots for you?

 

[Seawytch]

Another Conservative unable to understand the concept of 'consent'

If the child consents, there goes your argument. What you on the immoral Left don't understand is that current laws stating that children don't possess the mens rea to consent to sex with an adult is based on moral ramparts. When you keep eroding morality, you have no control over what topples by consequence. I will be among the holdout remnants fighting to preserve the innocence of children, but we won't be enough. When society collectively abandons all moral restraint, anything goes. I mean anything.

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

States are raising the age of consent because 3/4ths of the legislatures and governors are Republican. So now conservatism is being advanced on a state level. You didn't really think you immoral Leftists had anything to do with that, did you?

They aren't being changed by the current kooky crop. Man, you just can't help yourself can you?

Age of consent laws have ONLY been going up in the US. You made the claim that marriage equality will cause them to be lowered. You're "mistaken" again. (Gays have been marrying for a decade in Massachusetts.)

Yes. Age of consent going up, states controlled by Republican governors and legislatures. Shall I connect the dots for you?

Proof of your assertions would be great!

 

[Seawytch]

Another Conservative unable to understand the concept of 'consent'

If the child consents, there goes your argument. What you on the immoral Left don't understand is that current laws stating that children don't possess the mens rea to consent to sex with an adult is based on moral ramparts. When you keep eroding morality, you have no control over what topples by consequence. I will be among the holdout remnants fighting to preserve the innocence of children, but we won't be enough. When society collectively abandons all moral restraint, anything goes. I mean anything.

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

States are raising the age of consent because 3/4ths of the legislatures and governors are Republican. So now conservatism is being advanced on a state level. You didn't really think you immoral Leftists had anything to do with that, did you?

They aren't being changed by the current kooky crop. Man, you just can't help yourself can you?

Age of consent laws have ONLY been going up in the US. You made the claim that marriage equality will cause them to be lowered. You're "mistaken" again. (Gays have been marrying for a decade in Massachusetts.)

Yes. Age of consent going up, states controlled by Republican governors and legislatures. Shall I connect the dots for you?

Nope...

Primary Source Text
Age Limit in Age of Consent Laws. First number is the age in 1880, the second is 1920 and the third 2007.


United States
Alabama 10 16 16
Alaska - 16 16
Arizona 12 18 18
Arkansas 10 16 16
California 10 18 18
Colorado 10 18 15
Connecticut 10 16 16
District of Columbia 12 16 16
Delaware 7 16 16
Florida 10 18 18
Georgia 10 14 16
Hawaii - - 16
Idaho 10 18 18
Illinois 10 16 17
Indiana 12 16 16
Iowa 10 16 16
Kansas 10 18 16
Kentucky 12 16 16
Louisiana 12 18 17
Maine 10 16 16
Maryland 10 16 16
Massachusetts 10 16 16
Michigan 10 16 16
Minnesota 10 18 16
Mississippi 10 18 16
Missouri 12 18 17
Montana 10 18 16
Nebraska 10 18 17
Nevada 12 18 16
New Hampshire 10 16 16
New Jersey 10 16 16
New Mexico 10 16 17
New York 10 18 17
North Carolina 10 16 16
North Dakota 10 18 18
Ohio 10 16 16
Oklahoma - - 16
Oregon 10 16 18
Pennsylvania 10 16 16
Rhode Island 10 16 16
South Carolina 10 16 16
South Dakota 10 18 16
Tennessee 10 18 18
Texas 10 18 17
Utah 10 18 16
Vermont 10 16 16
Virginia 12 16 18
Washington 12 18 16
West Virginia 12 16 16
Wisconsin 10 16 18
Wyoming 10 16 16

Children and Youth in History Age of Consent Laws Table

 

[Syriusly]

If the child consents, there goes your argument. What you on the immoral Left don't understand is that current laws stating that children don't possess the mens rea to consent to sex with an adult is based on moral ramparts. When you keep eroding morality, you have no control over what topples by consequence. I will be among the holdout remnants fighting to preserve the innocence of children, but we won't be enough. When society collectively abandons all moral restraint, anything goes. I mean anything.

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

States are raising the age of consent because 3/4ths of the legislatures and governors are Republican. So now conservatism is being advanced on a state level. You didn't really think you immoral Leftists had anything to do with that, did you?

They aren't being changed by the current kooky crop. Man, you just can't help yourself can you?

Age of consent laws have ONLY been going up in the US. You made the claim that marriage equality will cause them to be lowered. You're "mistaken" again. (Gays have been marrying for a decade in Massachusetts.)

Yes. Age of consent going up, states controlled by Republican governors and legislatures. Shall I connect the dots for you?

Nope...

Primary Source Text
Age Limit in Age of Consent Laws. First number is the age in 1880, the second is 1920 and the third 2007.


United States
Alabama 10 16 16
Alaska - 16 16
Arizona 12 18 18
Arkansas 10 16 16
California 10 18 18
Colorado 10 18 15
Connecticut 10 16 16
District of Columbia 12 16 16
Delaware 7 16 16
Florida 10 18 18
Georgia 10 14 16
Hawaii - - 16
Idaho 10 18 18
Illinois 10 16 17
Indiana 12 16 16
Iowa 10 16 16
Kansas 10 18 16
Kentucky 12 16 16
Louisiana 12 18 17
Maine 10 16 16
Maryland 10 16 16
Massachusetts 10 16 16
Michigan 10 16 16
Minnesota 10 18 16
Mississippi 10 18 16
Missouri 12 18 17
Montana 10 18 16
Nebraska 10 18 17
Nevada 12 18 16
New Hampshire 10 16 16
New Jersey 10 16 16
New Mexico 10 16 17
New York 10 18 17
North Carolina 10 16 16
North Dakota 10 18 18
Ohio 10 16 16
Oklahoma - - 16
Oregon 10 16 18
Pennsylvania 10 16 16
Rhode Island 10 16 16
South Carolina 10 16 16
South Dakota 10 18 16
Tennessee 10 18 18
Texas 10 18 17
Utah 10 18 16
Vermont 10 16 16
Virginia 12 16 18
Washington 12 18 16
West Virginia 12 16 16
Wisconsin 10 16 18
Wyoming 10 16 16

Children and Youth in History Age of Consent Laws Table

This has been pointed out to Saintboy when he has made these claims before.

He just lies about it.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Why can't you marry a dog? Specifically?

Another Conservative unable to understand the concept of 'consent'

If the child consents, there goes your argument. What you on the immoral Left don't understand is that current laws stating that children don't possess the mens rea to consent to sex with an adult is based on moral ramparts. When you keep eroding morality, you have no control over what topples by consequence. I will be among the holdout remnants fighting to preserve the innocence of children, but we won't be enough. When society collectively abandons all moral restraint, anything goes. I mean anything.

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

States are raising the age of consent because 3/4ths of the legislatures and governors are Republican. So now conservatism is being advanced on a state level. You didn't really think you immoral Leftists had anything to do with that, did you?

They aren't being changed by the current kooky crop. Man, you just can't help yourself can you?

Age of consent laws have ONLY been going up in the US. You made the claim that marriage equality will cause them to be lowered. You're "mistaken" again. (Gays have been marrying for a decade in Massachusetts.)

Huh...

So tell me, when the APA declares that children are not injured through a loving sexual relationship with a caring adult, removing all stigmatic criteria from the Scrolls of Mental Health and through such counsel the legislatures that children who have long since been sexualized by the Media at 6 and 8 years old... and age of consent is lifted, as were the sodomy laws... where will you come down on that?

Will you proudly report to "it's LEGAL!" or not?

Now folks, 20 years ago, she would have returned to inform us that such a thought is "SICK!" and that children are not capable of consenting to sexual behavior with anyone... but that was then, back before Relativism had completely rinsed all sense of morality from the Left.

Today, we know for a fact that she will not be able to answer in the affirmative, because to do so presents a moral sense and where a sense of morality exists, there's no place for open homosexuality.

See how that works?

 

[GreenBean]

Nero was known to ride around his courtyard butt naked - jerking off while people were hung on poles and burnt alive - but hey that was his sexual disposition - That's how he got his rocks off - who are we to Judge ?

I have no problem judging murderers- or distinguishing between rapists and consenting adults having sex.

You apparently however do.

Do you understand the connection between Homosexuality,Bestiality,Pedophilia,Necrophilia and assorted sexual dysphorias ? ---- are you aware of the "50 shades of Gay"

Name that connection, please.

Start Here - let me know if you are able to comprehend it , sorry not too many pictures

Paraphilias Sexuality and Sexual Disorders Merck Manual Professional

You are quite smug, aren't you. If you believe there is a connection between homosexuality, ,beastialality, pedophilia, necrophilia and assorted sexual (dysphorias), including authors such as E.L. James, then surely you must also believe that there is a connection between depression, apathy and murder. What would you say is the connection between sociopathic serial killers and gender dysphoria serial killers?
What would you say is the connection between a man who sits in front of his computer all day and watches porn and a woman who has read Fifty Shades of Gray and wants to participate in sexual games or a President who likes to play sexual games in the Oval Office?

You are quite smug, aren't you.

"Smug" like many adjectives, is a relative term. If you define smug as demonstrating an excessive pride in ones knowledge of a particular subject as opposed to ones adversaries - you bet your sweet ass I am - I mean look at the adversaries I'm dealing with here - roll all their IQs together and you'd be lucky if you got into the triple digits. Now, I am excluding you from that comment - because so far you are an unknown value.

If you believe there is a connection between homosexuality, ,beastialality, pedophilia, necrophilia and assorted sexual (dysphorias)....then surely you must also believe that there is a connection between depression, apathy and murder.

You're making absolutely no sense whatsoever - take a deep breath - count to 10 - think it out - collect your thoughts into a cohesive and organized blurb and then shoot it at me again - Thank You

including authors such as E.L. James

E.L. James !!?? - My reference to her work 50 shades of Gray was a play on words - she wrote 50 shades of gray - i said 50 shades of Gay - This discussion is not about her literary work .

What would you say is the connection between a man who sits in front of his computer all day and watches porn and a woman who has read Fifty Shades of Gray and wants to participate in sexual games

Who cares ? and what is your point - they're grown ass people and can do as they please .

Again you seem to be missing the entire point - or perhaps I and others have failed to convey the issue to you correctly - I do apologize , but I don't have a degree in elementary education.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words - you seem to have a reading comprehension problem so perhaps the following imagery will help to clarify things a tad - although thats not likely.

or a President who likes to play sexual games in the Oval Office?

Define Sex

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

If the child consents, there goes your argument. What you on the immoral Left don't understand is that current laws stating that children don't possess the mens rea to consent to sex with an adult is based on moral ramparts. When you keep eroding morality, you have no control over what topples by consequence. I will be among the holdout remnants fighting to preserve the innocence of children, but we won't be enough. When society collectively abandons all moral restraint, anything goes. I mean anything.

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

States are raising the age of consent because 3/4ths of the legislatures and governors are Republican. So now conservatism is being advanced on a state level. You didn't really think you immoral Leftists had anything to do with that, did you?

They aren't being changed by the current kooky crop. Man, you just can't help yourself can you?

Age of consent laws have ONLY been going up in the US. You made the claim that marriage equality will cause them to be lowered. You're "mistaken" again. (Gays have been marrying for a decade in Massachusetts.)

Yes. Age of consent going up, states controlled by Republican governors and legislatures. Shall I connect the dots for you?

Nope...

Primary Source Text
Age Limit in Age of Consent Laws. First number is the age in 1880, the second is 1920 and the third 2007.


United States
Alabama 10 16 16
Alaska - 16 16
Arizona 12 18 18
Arkansas 10 16 16
California 10 18 18
Colorado 10 18 15
Connecticut 10 16 16
District of Columbia 12 16 16
Delaware 7 16 16
Florida 10 18 18
Georgia 10 14 16
Hawaii - - 16
Idaho 10 18 18
Illinois 10 16 17
Indiana 12 16 16
Iowa 10 16 16
Kansas 10 18 16
Kentucky 12 16 16
Louisiana 12 18 17
Maine 10 16 16
Maryland 10 16 16
Massachusetts 10 16 16
Michigan 10 16 16
Minnesota 10 18 16
Mississippi 10 18 16
Missouri 12 18 17
Montana 10 18 16
Nebraska 10 18 17
Nevada 12 18 16
New Hampshire 10 16 16
New Jersey 10 16 16
New Mexico 10 16 17
New York 10 18 17
North Carolina 10 16 16
North Dakota 10 18 18
Ohio 10 16 16
Oklahoma - - 16
Oregon 10 16 18
Pennsylvania 10 16 16
Rhode Island 10 16 16
South Carolina 10 16 16
South Dakota 10 18 16
Tennessee 10 18 18
Texas 10 18 17
Utah 10 18 16
Vermont 10 16 16
Virginia 12 16 18
Washington 12 18 16
West Virginia 12 16 16
Wisconsin 10 16 18
Wyoming 10 16 16

Children and Youth in History Age of Consent Laws Table

Did you happen to notice even in your list that some states went up and others went down? And it's immaterial to what we're discussion because none of this pertains to what happens when judges strike down state laws in the name if imaginary rights, rendering your list meaningless. It isn't about what state laws were in 1920, it's about how meaningless state laws will be when NAMBLA and other hyper libertarian groups argue that their clients aren't being treated equally under the law.

So now that you're caught up with what we're actually discussing, how your pervert movement has laid down important groundwork for other pervert groups to push their own agenda, we can discuss your role in what will soon be a sex free for all that victimizes children.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

That's quite a lengthy audio. Do you know about where the Justices "laughed out loud"?

Not my problem You want to know...take the time.

Yes it is your problem because your claim is outlandish, and most likely a lie. Justices do not "laugh out loud" while attorneys general are presenting oral arguments. That would dispense with any pretense of objectivity. Such a gross breach of decorum would certainly have made the papers and no audio link would be required.

In other words, you're lying and you've been found out.

Stop lying, Fish breath!

Do you enjoy being proven wrong? This was just recently....

When Justice Elena Kagan asked whether states could ban couples over the age of 55 because they wouldn't be able to have kids, Cooper argued that "it is very rare that…both parties to the couple are infertile." The chamber erupted in laughter. "No really, because…if both the woman and the man are over 55, there are not a lot of children coming out of that marriage," Kagan said, and the chamber filled with laughter again. Justice Stephen Breyer was more blunt: "I mean, there are lots of people who get married who can't have children."
​

At Supreme Court, Marriage Equality Foes' Best Argument Is That They're Losing

Now you're being desperate and in the process proving my point and cementing your reputation as a liar. When there is laughter, it's noteworthy and is recorded in print. No such record exists of the justices laughing while the Virginia attorney general was presenting oral arguments like you claimed. So you told a lie. Now you even admit it.

Wow- that is a stunning piece of misrepresentation- even by your own low standards

Here is what you claimed:
"Yes it is your problem because your claim is outlandish, and most likely a lie. Justices do not "laugh out loud" while attorneys general are presenting oral arguments.....

Stop lying, Fish breath!"

Then Seawitch provided proof that refuted your specific claim that Justices never laugh during oral arguments....and it happened again just a few days ago

Supreme Court justices laugh at Arizona town s church sign laws - Washington Times

I have no idea whether or not the Justices during Loving laughed out loud or not- and you didn't either- you just assumed that Justices never do that- and called Seawitch a liar- AND then said specifically that 'justices do not 'laugh out loud' while attorneys are presenting oral arguments.

In other words- you lied. Seawitch caught you in your lie. Maybe she did also- but most certainly you lied.

Oh and your claim about

That would dispense with any pretense of objectivity.

Here is a whole article about Supreme Court Justices cracking jokes in court.

Can you present a case where justices "laughed out loud" during the serious portions of proceedings such as when oral arguments are being presented?

No? Then STFU!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

no its not, that is THE PRIMARY question in this debate. You want gay marriage but you want to prohibit polysexual marriage--------on what legal basis do you want to prohibit multiple marriage? If you answer truthfully you will repeat the exact reasons many give for opposing gay marriage, but you won't answer truthfully so its a moot point

So you need a rational basis for banning polygamy.

Here you go: The Perils of Polygamy

You really are attached to your slippery slope!

What next? "Then tell me why you can't marry a dog"?

Why can't you marry a dog? Specifically?

Another Conservative unable to understand the concept of 'consent'

So what you're saying is that if Rover wags his tail when you display your schwanz - it's not because he thinks it's a snack - it's because he wants you to explore his fecal cavity with it -
Is that what you consider consent ?

Now ... what about that toddler in the crib ... when you stick a bottle in his mouth and he stops crying - I would assume you consider that consent to stick something else in .... ???

Another Conservative unable to understand the concept of 'consent'. I am seeing a big pattern here.

I can't believe that all Conservatives are unable to tell the difference between rape and sex with a consenting adult- is it just the Conservatives who are also bigots?

We do know the difference, subsumed into a broader knowledge of the difference between right and wrong, something that you on the Left do not possess. We're saying that the people who don't know the difference, NAMBLA and other child-adult sex advocacy groups are in your camp and will gratefully be using your playbook to legalize sex with minors. What you faggots don't understand is that you can't say, "We want our brand of immorality, but we don't want it to go any further." You can't control that any more than you can control a wildfire that you started. You think that your depravity should enjoy legal status but somebody else's should not. Guess what? There are other perverts who think they deserve the same rights as you perverts.

Big freakin surprise!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Nero was known to ride around his courtyard butt naked - jerking off while people were hung on poles and burnt alive - but hey that was his sexual disposition - That's how he got his rocks off - who are we to Judge ?

I have no problem judging murderers- or distinguishing between rapists and consenting adults having sex.

You apparently however do.

Do you understand the connection between Homosexuality,Bestiality,Pedophilia,Necrophilia and assorted sexual dysphorias ? ---- are you aware of the "50 shades of Gay"

Name that connection, please.

Start Here - let me know if you are able to comprehend it , sorry not too many pictures

Paraphilias Sexuality and Sexual Disorders Merck Manual Professional

You are quite smug, aren't you. If you believe there is a connection between homosexuality, ,beastialality, pedophilia, necrophilia and assorted sexual (dysphorias)...

They're sexual abnormalities... that's the connection. They all share the connection that their reasoning is a perverse variant of human reasoning.

 

[Seawytch]

You really should learn the law...and I mean really, REALLY.

Children cannot consent.

Tell me...with all this "moral depravity" going on, how come states are raising, not lowering, their age of consent?

States are raising the age of consent because 3/4ths of the legislatures and governors are Republican. So now conservatism is being advanced on a state level. You didn't really think you immoral Leftists had anything to do with that, did you?

They aren't being changed by the current kooky crop. Man, you just can't help yourself can you?

Age of consent laws have ONLY been going up in the US. You made the claim that marriage equality will cause them to be lowered. You're "mistaken" again. (Gays have been marrying for a decade in Massachusetts.)

Yes. Age of consent going up, states controlled by Republican governors and legislatures. Shall I connect the dots for you?

Nope...

Primary Source Text
Age Limit in Age of Consent Laws. First number is the age in 1880, the second is 1920 and the third 2007.


United States
Alabama 10 16 16
Alaska - 16 16
Arizona 12 18 18
Arkansas 10 16 16
California 10 18 18
Colorado 10 18 15
Connecticut 10 16 16
District of Columbia 12 16 16
Delaware 7 16 16
Florida 10 18 18
Georgia 10 14 16
Hawaii - - 16
Idaho 10 18 18
Illinois 10 16 17
Indiana 12 16 16
Iowa 10 16 16
Kansas 10 18 16
Kentucky 12 16 16
Louisiana 12 18 17
Maine 10 16 16
Maryland 10 16 16
Massachusetts 10 16 16
Michigan 10 16 16
Minnesota 10 18 16
Mississippi 10 18 16
Missouri 12 18 17
Montana 10 18 16
Nebraska 10 18 17
Nevada 12 18 16
New Hampshire 10 16 16
New Jersey 10 16 16
New Mexico 10 16 17
New York 10 18 17
North Carolina 10 16 16
North Dakota 10 18 18
Ohio 10 16 16
Oklahoma - - 16
Oregon 10 16 18
Pennsylvania 10 16 16
Rhode Island 10 16 16
South Carolina 10 16 16
South Dakota 10 18 16
Tennessee 10 18 18
Texas 10 18 17
Utah 10 18 16
Vermont 10 16 16
Virginia 12 16 18
Washington 12 18 16
West Virginia 12 16 16
Wisconsin 10 16 18
Wyoming 10 16 16

Children and Youth in History Age of Consent Laws Table

Did you happen to notice even in your list that some states went up and others went down? And it's immaterial to what we're discussion because none of this pertains to what happens when judges strike down state laws in the name if imaginary rights, rendering your list meaningless. It isn't about what state laws were in 1920, it's about how meaningless state laws will be when NAMBLA and other hyper libertarian groups argue that their clients aren't being treated equally under the law.

So now that you're caught up with what we're actually discussing, how your pervert movement has laid down important groundwork for other pervert groups to push their own agenda, we can discuss your role in what will soon be a sex free for all that victimizes children.

What I noticed is that it did not support your claim. What I noticed is that historically the age of consent has been going up. What I know is that your hyperbole is just a manifestation of your anti gay bigotry.