The Irish... And Who Didn't 'Help' Them Succeed

[rightwinger]

Today, in consideration of Saint Patrick's Day, a look at the journey of the Irish in America.

The Irish were the first ethnic minority in American cities, and their history shows the classic pattern of new comers to the urban economy, and society. Starting at the very bottom of the urban occupational ladder, with the men as laborers and the woman as maids. Housing was far worse than urban slums today. Thomas Sowell, "Ethnic America," chapter one.

And the Irish-Americans were pro-union, pro worker's rights, and ran the Democratic party.

And haven't you extolled the virtues of Anglo-Saxon Christianity (meaning Protestant) which is decidedly NOT the Irish?

And the Know-Nothing Party was the Progressive Party of the era.....virulently anti-Catholic.....exactly what FDR's very first pick for the Supreme Court was....a KKKer who hated Catholics and corrupted the Constitution.

Touché

Hardly

Know Nothings were as conservative as you could get
Anti-Catholic, anti Immigration

 

[NYcarbineer]

Today, in consideration of Saint Patrick's Day, a look at the journey of the Irish in America.

The Irish were the first ethnic minority in American cities, and their history shows the classic pattern of new comers to the urban economy, and society. Starting at the very bottom of the urban occupational ladder, with the men as laborers and the woman as maids. Housing was far worse than urban slums today. Thomas Sowell, "Ethnic America," chapter one.

And the Irish-Americans were pro-union, pro worker's rights, and ran the Democratic party.

And haven't you extolled the virtues of Anglo-Saxon Christianity (meaning Protestant) which is decidedly NOT the Irish?

I think PC's thread was meant to be high praise for the Kennedys.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Today, in consideration of Saint Patrick's Day, a look at the journey of the Irish in America.

The Irish were the first ethnic minority in American cities, and their history shows the classic pattern of new comers to the urban economy, and society. Starting at the very bottom of the urban occupational ladder, with the men as laborers and the woman as maids. Housing was far worse than urban slums today. Thomas Sowell, "Ethnic America," chapter one.

And the Irish-Americans were pro-union, pro worker's rights, and ran the Democratic party.

And haven't you extolled the virtues of Anglo-Saxon Christianity (meaning Protestant) which is decidedly NOT the Irish?

And the Know-Nothing Party was the Progressive Party of the era.....virulently anti-Catholic.....exactly what FDR's very first pick for the Supreme Court was....a KKKer who hated Catholics and corrupted the Constitution.

Touché

Hardly

Know Nothings were as conservative as you could get
Anti-Catholic, anti Immigration

You post...and I prove you wrong....that's pretty much the Liberal- conservative pattern.

"...the party also distinguished itself by its opposition to slavery, support for an expansion of the rights of women, regulation of industry, and support of measures designed to improve the status of working people."
Stephen Taylor, "Progressive Nativism: The Know-Nothing Party in Massachusetts" Historical Journal of Massachusetts (2000) 28#2 pp 167-84


You must be sooooo embarrassed, huh?

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Today, in consideration of Saint Patrick's Day, a look at the journey of the Irish in America.

The Irish were the first ethnic minority in American cities, and their history shows the classic pattern of new comers to the urban economy, and society. Starting at the very bottom of the urban occupational ladder, with the men as laborers and the woman as maids. Housing was far worse than urban slums today. Thomas Sowell, "Ethnic America," chapter one.

And the Irish-Americans were pro-union, pro worker's rights, and ran the Democratic party.

And haven't you extolled the virtues of Anglo-Saxon Christianity (meaning Protestant) which is decidedly NOT the Irish?

And the Know-Nothing Party was the Progressive Party of the era.....virulently anti-Catholic.....exactly what FDR's very first pick for the Supreme Court was....a KKKer who hated Catholics and corrupted the Constitution.

Touché

Hardly

Know Nothings were as conservative as you could get
Anti-Catholic, anti Immigration

You post...and I prove you wrong....that's pretty much the Liberal- conservative pattern.

"...the party also distinguished itself by its opposition to slavery, support for an expansion of the rights of women, regulation of industry, and support of measures designed to improve the status of working people."
Stephen Taylor, "Progressive Nativism: The Know-Nothing Party in Massachusetts" Historical Journal of Massachusetts (2000) 28#2 pp 167-84


You must be sooooo embarrassed, huh?

Liberals don't have the capacity to be embarrassed. When proven wrong they just claim you proved nothing, then the call you racist and try to use it to somehow get more free stuff as compensation

 

[rightwinger]

Today, in consideration of Saint Patrick's Day, a look at the journey of the Irish in America.

The Irish were the first ethnic minority in American cities, and their history shows the classic pattern of new comers to the urban economy, and society. Starting at the very bottom of the urban occupational ladder, with the men as laborers and the woman as maids. Housing was far worse than urban slums today. Thomas Sowell, "Ethnic America," chapter one.

And the Irish-Americans were pro-union, pro worker's rights, and ran the Democratic party.

And haven't you extolled the virtues of Anglo-Saxon Christianity (meaning Protestant) which is decidedly NOT the Irish?

And the Know-Nothing Party was the Progressive Party of the era.....virulently anti-Catholic.....exactly what FDR's very first pick for the Supreme Court was....a KKKer who hated Catholics and corrupted the Constitution.

Touché

Hardly

Know Nothings were as conservative as you could get
Anti-Catholic, anti Immigration

You post...and I prove you wrong....that's pretty much the Liberal- conservative pattern.

"...the party also distinguished itself by its opposition to slavery, support for an expansion of the rights of women, regulation of industry, and support of measures designed to improve the status of working people."
Stephen Taylor, "Progressive Nativism: The Know-Nothing Party in Massachusetts" Historical Journal of Massachusetts (2000) 28#2 pp 167-84


You must be sooooo embarrassed, huh?

The Know Nothings were 99% anti-immigrant and anti-Catholic. Nobody joined the Know Nothings because they wanted to see women vote

What we would call a Trump voter today

 

[Valerie]

The Irish pulled up their boots and went to work.


Unlike a certain other faction that demand reparations, have been given every opportunity to better themselves through affirmative action and other programs and STILL can't make anything of themselves.

you mean like achieving the American presidency...?


List of African-American United States Senators - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The United States Senate has had nine African-American elected or appointed office holders.[1] The United States Senate is the upper house of the bicameral United States Congress, which is the legislative branch of the federal government of the United States. No African American served in the elective office before the ratification in 1870 of the Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The Fifteenth Amendment prohibits the federal government and state governments from denying any citizen the right to vote because of that citizen's race, color, or previous condition of servitude. Of the nine senators, five were popularly elected (including one that previously had been appointed by his state's governor), two were elected by the state legislature prior to the ratification of the Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1913 (which provides for the direct election of U.S. Senators by the people of each state), and two were appointed by a state Governor. The 113th United States Congress (2013–15) marked the first time that two African Americans served concurrently in the Senate.[2]

 

[Moonglow]

The Irish pulled up their boots and went to work. Unlike a certain other faction that demand reparations, have been given every opportunity to better themselves through affirmative action and other programs and STILL can't make anything of themselves.

When us Irish we pullin' up those boot straps during Boss Tweed, we were not coming from a life as a full time slave....No city in the USA had a majority led black party that held power...Why, even the Irish didn't like the blacks socially...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Today, in consideration of Saint Patrick's Day, a look at the journey of the Irish in America.

The Irish were the first ethnic minority in American cities, and their history shows the classic pattern of new comers to the urban economy, and society. Starting at the very bottom of the urban occupational ladder, with the men as laborers and the woman as maids. Housing was far worse than urban slums today. Thomas Sowell, "Ethnic America," chapter one.

And the Irish-Americans were pro-union, pro worker's rights, and ran the Democratic party.

And haven't you extolled the virtues of Anglo-Saxon Christianity (meaning Protestant) which is decidedly NOT the Irish?

And the Know-Nothing Party was the Progressive Party of the era.....virulently anti-Catholic.....exactly what FDR's very first pick for the Supreme Court was....a KKKer who hated Catholics and corrupted the Constitution.

Touché

FDR never appointed a KKK member.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let's ask an Irish-American of great renown about this:

JFK’s 1963 Race Speech Made Him an African-American Icon

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Irish voted Dem well into the 1970s from the very first days they could vote in America.

They were heavy in the labor movement.

They were anti-war in WWI because our ally was Great Britain.

They opposed busing in Boston during the 1970s.

you have to admit that bussing was a very bad and unfair practice.

Even if so, it was greatly outweighed by the racial hatred displayed by the protesters. As a result, many of the Irish began voting GOP in Massachusetts.

 

[JakeStarkey]

White Appalachia has been receiving tremendous help since the FDR days.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

The Irish voted Dem well into the 1970s from the very first days they could vote in America.

They were heavy in the labor movement.

They were anti-war in WWI because our ally was Great Britain.

They opposed busing in Boston during the 1970s.

you have to admit that bussing was a very bad and unfair practice.

Even if so, it was greatly outweighed by the racial hatred displayed by the protesters. As a result, many of the Irish began voting GOP in Massachusetts.

I think the opposition to what bussing was doing would have been well called for. Don't you?

 

[rightwinger]

The Irish voted Dem well into the 1970s from the very first days they could vote in America.

They were heavy in the labor movement.

They were anti-war in WWI because our ally was Great Britain.

They opposed busing in Boston during the 1970s.

you have to admit that bussing was a very bad and unfair practice.

Even if so, it was greatly outweighed by the racial hatred displayed by the protesters. As a result, many of the Irish began voting GOP in Massachusetts.

I think the opposition to what bussing was doing would have been well called for. Don't you?

Busing did what it was intended to do...integrate the schools

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Irish voted Dem well into the 1970s from the very first days they could vote in America.

They were heavy in the labor movement.

They were anti-war in WWI because our ally was Great Britain.

They opposed busing in Boston during the 1970s.

you have to admit that bussing was a very bad and unfair practice.

Even if so, it was greatly outweighed by the racial hatred displayed by the protesters. As a result, many of the Irish began voting GOP in Massachusetts.

I think the opposition to what bussing was doing would have been well called for. Don't you?

You agree that racial hatred drove some of the Irish-Americans in Mass to the ar right wing of the GOP. That's a start.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

The Irish voted Dem well into the 1970s from the very first days they could vote in America.

They were heavy in the labor movement.

They were anti-war in WWI because our ally was Great Britain.

They opposed busing in Boston during the 1970s.

you have to admit that bussing was a very bad and unfair practice.

Even if so, it was greatly outweighed by the racial hatred displayed by the protesters. As a result, many of the Irish began voting GOP in Massachusetts.

I think the opposition to what bussing was doing would have been well called for. Don't you?

Busing did what it was intended to do...integrate the schools

bussing took kids from decent schools that were paid for by the local taxes and sent them to crap schools.
It was not good for the kids that who's parents chose a nice area to live in so they would have those nicer schools available to them.
and what it ended up doing was bringing the grade point average for many schools down.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

The Irish voted Dem well into the 1970s from the very first days they could vote in America.

They were heavy in the labor movement.

They were anti-war in WWI because our ally was Great Britain.

They opposed busing in Boston during the 1970s.

you have to admit that bussing was a very bad and unfair practice.

Even if so, it was greatly outweighed by the racial hatred displayed by the protesters. As a result, many of the Irish began voting GOP in Massachusetts.

I think the opposition to what bussing was doing would have been well called for. Don't you?

You agree that racial hatred drove some of the Irish-Americans in Mass to the ar right wing of the GOP. That's a start.

not wanting your child to be bussed across the county to attend a crap school when a good school is within walking distance might just have a little more than racism in the equation.
You think? What am I saying, you're a liberal, of course you don't think.

 

[rightwinger]

The Irish voted Dem well into the 1970s from the very first days they could vote in America.

They were heavy in the labor movement.

They were anti-war in WWI because our ally was Great Britain.

They opposed busing in Boston during the 1970s.

you have to admit that bussing was a very bad and unfair practice.

Even if so, it was greatly outweighed by the racial hatred displayed by the protesters. As a result, many of the Irish began voting GOP in Massachusetts.

I think the opposition to what bussing was doing would have been well called for. Don't you?

Busing did what it was intended to do...integrate the schools

bussing took kids from decent schools that were paid for by the local taxes and sent them to crap schools.
It was not good for the kids that who's parents chose a nice area to live in so they would have those nicer schools available to them.
and what it ended up doing was bringing the grade point average for many schools down.

In post Civil Rights America, there was still a lot of segregation

Communities would carve up community school districts in much the same way congressional districts are gerrymandered. A school district would be carved out to serve primarily black communities which enabled surrounding white communities to maintain all white schools

The courts did not buy it and ordered busing to ensure integration

 

[Maryland Patriot]

you have to admit that bussing was a very bad and unfair practice.

Even if so, it was greatly outweighed by the racial hatred displayed by the protesters. As a result, many of the Irish began voting GOP in Massachusetts.

I think the opposition to what bussing was doing would have been well called for. Don't you?

Busing did what it was intended to do...integrate the schools

bussing took kids from decent schools that were paid for by the local taxes and sent them to crap schools.
It was not good for the kids that who's parents chose a nice area to live in so they would have those nicer schools available to them.
and what it ended up doing was bringing the grade point average for many schools down.

In post Civil Rights America, there was still a lot of segregation

Communities would carve up community school districts in much the same way congressional districts are gerrymandered. A school district would be carved out to serve primarily black communities which enabled surrounding white communities to maintain all white schools

The courts did not buy it and ordered busing to ensure integration

and you think it fair to bus a kid for an hour day when he has a school in walking distance to the house.
I don't.

 

[regent]

Should all schools get the same amount of money for education, or should wealthy people have better schools and poor people worse schools?

 

[rightwinger]

Even if so, it was greatly outweighed by the racial hatred displayed by the protesters. As a result, many of the Irish began voting GOP in Massachusetts.

I think the opposition to what bussing was doing would have been well called for. Don't you?

Busing did what it was intended to do...integrate the schools

bussing took kids from decent schools that were paid for by the local taxes and sent them to crap schools.
It was not good for the kids that who's parents chose a nice area to live in so they would have those nicer schools available to them.
and what it ended up doing was bringing the grade point average for many schools down.

In post Civil Rights America, there was still a lot of segregation

Communities would carve up community school districts in much the same way congressional districts are gerrymandered. A school district would be carved out to serve primarily black communities which enabled surrounding white communities to maintain all white schools

The courts did not buy it and ordered busing to ensure integration

and you think it fair to bus a kid for an hour day when he has a school in walking distance to the house.
I don't.

Those were the extreme cases which were trumpeted by Conservatives

What really happened was a school district would have four schools. One would be made up of rich white kids, two would be working class kids and the fourth would be black kids

When the courts asked why the schools were like that, the communities replied....that's just the way it worked out

The courts did not buy it and ordered busing until the districts were integrated