THE IRS Scandal Thickens

From what I've got info on, Issa is playing hardball on the immunity deal. He won't give it to Lois unless he can get a conviction of someone higher. Not a dog and pony show. He wants heads to roll.

I like this man.:eusa_angel: He's like a political Charles Bronson. Balls to the walls every minute of every day.
 
So I see in the right wing hit piece the OP slap-happily provided, it notes Judicial Watch (red bells and flag with that name right there to start...) it and we get this:

"According to Judicial Watch, the materials “from the IRS’ files sent from Lerner to the FEC containing detailed, confidential information about the organizations. These include annual tax returns (Forms 990) and request for exempt recognition forms (Form 1024), Articles of Organization and other corporate documents, and correspondence between the nonprofit organizations and the IRS."

And wonders me, what are these Forms 990 and 1024, to start with...

So I goes to look em up. (you know me) -- and what do we see?

Form 990:
Public inspection. In general, all information the organization reports on or with its Form 990, including schedules and attachments, will be available for public inspection. Note, however, the special rules for Schedule B (Form 990, 990-EZ, or 990-PF), a required schedule for certain organizations that file Form 990. Make sure the forms and schedules are clear enough to photocopy legibly. For more information on public inspection requirements, see Appendix D, Public Inspection of Returns, and Pub. 557, Tax-Exempt Status for Your Organization.
Instructions for Form 990*Return of Organization Exempt From Income Tax (2012)

Form 1024:
"A tax-exempt organization must make available for public inspection its approved application for recognition of exemption with all supporting documents available and its last three annual information returns. The organization must provide copies of these documents upon request without charge (other than a reasonable fee for reproduction and copying costs). Penalties are provided for failure to comply with these requirements."
Application for recognition of exemption

I went to look up more on the Form 990, I also see this:

990_zpsaf41ea1f.jpg


http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopich03.pdf


Now, from what I can tell, all of what JW & Wash. Examiner implies is so nefariously disclosed - is PUBLIC INFORMATION.

Not only can the FEC look into it, so can every dang person in the world who wants to look it up. In fact the IRS is required to provide access to those forms.

In the emails, as I see (I didn't go through all 176 pages of that PDF) -- the FEC specifically asks about the publicly available information.

So, unless there is something here that some mysterious hat can produce in a rabbit infestation of magical innuendo, I'm not seeing what the dealio is here.

As a side note: That AIP - American Issues Project was the group that spent three million dollars in ads in 2008 trying to Swift Boat Obama trying to link him to Bill Ayers.

The American Future Fund is...tada, the billionaire Koch boys bankroll.
You remember some of those ads in aughteight? Don'tchew?

But they were not political, of course, it was all a matter of Social Welfare. And they's so po, how could they possibly be doin' all that Poli-Tickin?
 
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From what I've got info on, Issa is playing hardball on the immunity deal. He won't give it to Lois unless he can get a conviction of someone higher. Not a dog and pony show. He wants heads to roll.

I like this man.:eusa_angel: He's like a political Charles Bronson. Balls to the walls every minute of every day.

Charles Bronson? Wow, I must be old if I remember that guy. But then again, Issa is more like the Chuck Norris of Politics.

Issa: Patriot Ranger

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I still find that line from the OP:

"According to Judicial Watch, the materials “from the IRS’ files sent from Lerner to the FEC containing detailed, confidential information about the organizations. These include annual tax returns (Forms 990) ..."

and then implies what she be doing: against the law! .....Hilarious.

Spookyworld continues: "Under Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, it is a felony for an IRS official to disclose either “return information” or “taxpayer return information...”

Hot dammity! That sounds awful lawbreaky, donut?

Notice those words in quotes. Except what was shown was not “taxpayer return information."


I mean, look how confidential *this* ...erm, return information is:

jw_zps9d3947f9.jpg


http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2005/JW%202004-990%20Public%20Disclosure.pdf

26 pages 'O 501 See Fun!
 
So I see in the right wing hit piece the OP slap-happily provided, it notes Judicial Watch (red bells and flag with that name right there to start...) it and we get this:
"According to Judicial Watch, the materials “from the IRS’ files sent from Lerner to the FEC containing detailed, confidential information about the organizations. These include annual tax returns (Forms 990) and request for exempt recognition forms (Form 1024), Articles of Organization and other corporate documents, and correspondence between the nonprofit organizations and the IRS."
And wonders me, what are these Forms 990 and 1024, to start with...

So I goes to look em up. (you know me) -- and what do we see?

Form 990:
Public inspection. In general, all information the organization reports on or with its Form 990, including schedules and attachments, will be available for public inspection. Note, however, the special rules for Schedule B (Form 990, 990-EZ, or 990-PF), a required schedule for certain organizations that file Form 990. Make sure the forms and schedules are clear enough to photocopy legibly. For more information on public inspection requirements, see Appendix D, Public Inspection of Returns, and Pub. 557, Tax-Exempt Status for Your Organization.
Instructions for Form 990*Return of Organization Exempt From Income Tax (2012)

Form 1024:
"A tax-exempt organization must make available for public inspection its approved application for recognition of exemption with all supporting documents available and its last three annual information returns. The organization must provide copies of these documents upon request without charge (other than a reasonable fee for reproduction and copying costs). Penalties are provided for failure to comply with these requirements."
Application for recognition of exemption

I went to look up more on the Form 990, I also see this:

990_zpsaf41ea1f.jpg


http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopich03.pdf


Now, from what I can tell, all of what JW & Wash. Examiner implies is so nefariously disclosed - is PUBLIC INFORMATION.

Not only can the FEC look into it, so can every dang person in the world who wants to look it up. In fact the IRS is required to provide access to those forms.

In the emails, as I see (I didn't go through all 176 pages of that PDF) -- the FEC specifically asks about the publicly available information.

So, unless there is something here that some mysterious hat can produce in a rabbit infestation of magical innuendo, I'm not seeing what the dealio is here.

As a side note: That AIP - American Issues Project was the group that spent three million dollars in ads in 2008 trying to Swift Boat Obama trying to link him to Bill Ayers.

The American Future Fund is...tada, the billionaire Koch boys bankroll.
You remember some of those ads in aughteight? Don'tchew?

But they were not political, of course, it was all a matter of Social Welfare. And they's so po, how could they possibly be doin' all that Poli-Tickin?

First, the information is only public if the corporation is public. That makes your attempt to claim that corporations, which are specifically exempted from publicly disclosing the information is actually required to publicly release the information simply because you only read the laws you think help you doesn't make you smart.

Second, it doesn't matter if it is a right wing corporation, or a left wing one, the IRS is supposed to treat them the same, that is the purpose of having a civil service. It seems you prefer a political service. What are you going to do when a right wing dominated political service starts targeting left wing groups?
 
I still find that line from the OP:

"According to Judicial Watch, the materials “from the IRS’ files sent from Lerner to the FEC containing detailed, confidential information about the organizations. These include annual tax returns (Forms 990) ..."

and then implies what she be doing: against the law! .....Hilarious.

Spookyworld continues: "Under Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, it is a felony for an IRS official to disclose either “return information” or “taxpayer return information...”

Hot dammity! That sounds awful lawbreaky, donut?

Notice those words in quotes. Except what was shown was not “taxpayer return information."


I mean, look how confidential *this* ...erm, return information is:

jw_zps9d3947f9.jpg


http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2005/JW 2004-990 Public Disclosure.pdf

26 pages 'O 501 See Fun!

What's your point? They are an approved, tax exempt, corporation and following the law. The IRS, o the other hand, is required to keep that information private until after the approval process.

It didn't.
 
So I see in the right wing hit piece the OP slap-happily provided, it notes Judicial Watch (red bells and flag with that name right there to start...) it and we get this:
"According to Judicial Watch, the materials “from the IRS’ files sent from Lerner to the FEC containing detailed, confidential information about the organizations. These include annual tax returns (Forms 990) and request for exempt recognition forms (Form 1024), Articles of Organization and other corporate documents, and correspondence between the nonprofit organizations and the IRS."
And wonders me, what are these Forms 990 and 1024, to start with...

So I goes to look em up. (you know me) -- and what do we see?

Form 990:
Public inspection. In general, all information the organization reports on or with its Form 990, including schedules and attachments, will be available for public inspection. Note, however, the special rules for Schedule B (Form 990, 990-EZ, or 990-PF), a required schedule for certain organizations that file Form 990. Make sure the forms and schedules are clear enough to photocopy legibly. For more information on public inspection requirements, see Appendix D, Public Inspection of Returns, and Pub. 557, Tax-Exempt Status for Your Organization.
Instructions for Form 990*Return of Organization Exempt From Income Tax (2012)

Form 1024:
"A tax-exempt organization must make available for public inspection its approved application for recognition of exemption with all supporting documents available and its last three annual information returns. The organization must provide copies of these documents upon request without charge (other than a reasonable fee for reproduction and copying costs). Penalties are provided for failure to comply with these requirements."
Application for recognition of exemption

I went to look up more on the Form 990, I also see this:

990_zpsaf41ea1f.jpg


http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopich03.pdf


Now, from what I can tell, all of what JW & Wash. Examiner implies is so nefariously disclosed - is PUBLIC INFORMATION.

Not only can the FEC look into it, so can every dang person in the world who wants to look it up. In fact the IRS is required to provide access to those forms.

In the emails, as I see (I didn't go through all 176 pages of that PDF) -- the FEC specifically asks about the publicly available information.

So, unless there is something here that some mysterious hat can produce in a rabbit infestation of magical innuendo, I'm not seeing what the dealio is here.

As a side note: That AIP - American Issues Project was the group that spent three million dollars in ads in 2008 trying to Swift Boat Obama trying to link him to Bill Ayers.

The American Future Fund is...tada, the billionaire Koch boys bankroll.
You remember some of those ads in aughteight? Don'tchew?

But they were not political, of course, it was all a matter of Social Welfare. And they's so po, how could they possibly be doin' all that Poli-Tickin?

First, the information is only public if the corporation is public. That makes your attempt to claim that corporations, which are specifically exempted from publicly disclosing the information is actually required to publicly release the information simply because you only read the laws you think help you doesn't make you smart.

...

^ Has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. ^
 
No, it doesn't.

Aren't you the guy that said Obamacare was going to be wonderful?

Didn't you also argue that there was no way anyone could get to Benghazi?

When are you going to stop being wrong?


File this one away as well, I already have. He also says Healthcare.gov will be fully operational and ready to go in 28 days. I can't wait to see how that prediction turns out. :lol:
 
I still find that line from the OP:

"According to Judicial Watch, the materials “from the IRS’ files sent from Lerner to the FEC containing detailed, confidential information about the organizations. These include annual tax returns (Forms 990) ..."

and then implies what she be doing: against the law! .....Hilarious.

Spookyworld continues: "Under Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, it is a felony for an IRS official to disclose either “return information” or “taxpayer return information...”

Hot dammity! That sounds awful lawbreaky, donut?

Notice those words in quotes. Except what was shown was not “taxpayer return information."


I mean, look how confidential *this* ...erm, return information is:

jw_zps9d3947f9.jpg


http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2005/JW%202004-990%20Public%20Disclosure.pdf

26 pages 'O 501 See Fun!

What's your point? They are an approved, tax exempt, corporation and following the law. The IRS, o the other hand, is required to keep that information private until after the approval process.

It didn't.
The information Lerner sent to the FEC was publicly available information.

See: Section 6104 of the IRS Codes.

American Issues Project ----> approved as an exempt organization, November 2007.
American Future Fund ----> approved in October 2008.

All those forms were public information by the time Lerner forwarded them to the FEC in March 2009.
 

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