THE IRS Scandal Thickens

[Plasmaball]

So I see in the right wing hit piece the OP slap-happily provided, it notes Judicial Watch (red bells and flag with that name right there to start...) it and we get this:

"According to Judicial Watch, the materials “from the IRS’ files sent from Lerner to the FEC containing detailed, confidential information about the organizations. These include annual tax returns (Forms 990) and request for exempt recognition forms (Form 1024), Articles of Organization and other corporate documents, and correspondence between the nonprofit organizations and the IRS."
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And wonders me, what are these Forms 990 and 1024, to start with...

So I goes to look em up. (you know me) -- and what do we see?

Form 990:

Public inspection. In general, all information the organization reports on or with its Form 990, including schedules and attachments, will be available for public inspection. Note, however, the special rules for Schedule B (Form 990, 990-EZ, or 990-PF), a required schedule for certain organizations that file Form 990. Make sure the forms and schedules are clear enough to photocopy legibly. For more information on public inspection requirements, see Appendix D, Public Inspection of Returns, and Pub. 557, Tax-Exempt Status for Your Organization.
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Instructions for Form 990*Return of Organization Exempt From Income Tax (2012)

Form 1024:

"A tax-exempt organization must make available for public inspection its approved application for recognition of exemption with all supporting documents available and its last three annual information returns. The organization must provide copies of these documents upon request without charge (other than a reasonable fee for reproduction and copying costs). Penalties are provided for failure to comply with these requirements."
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Application for recognition of exemption

I went to look up more on the Form 990, I also see this:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopich03.pdf


Now, from what I can tell, all of what JW & Wash. Examiner implies is so nefariously disclosed - is PUBLIC INFORMATION.

Not only can the FEC look into it, so can every dang person in the world who wants to look it up. In fact the IRS is required to provide access to those forms.

In the emails, as I see (I didn't go through all 176 pages of that PDF) -- the FEC specifically asks about the publicly available information.

So, unless there is something here that some mysterious hat can produce in a rabbit infestation of magical innuendo, I'm not seeing what the dealio is here.

As a side note: That AIP - American Issues Project was the group that spent three million dollars in ads in 2008 trying to Swift Boat Obama trying to link him to Bill Ayers.

The American Future Fund is...tada, the billionaire Koch boys bankroll.
You remember some of those ads in aughteight? Don'tchew?

But they were not political, of course, it was all a matter of Social Welfare. And they's so po, how could they possibly be doin' all that Poli-Tickin?

First, the information is only public if the corporation is public. That makes your attempt to claim that corporations, which are specifically exempted from publicly disclosing the information is actually required to publicly release the information simply because you only read the laws you think help you doesn't make you smart.

...

^ Has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. ^

he never does..

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I still find that line from the OP:

"According to Judicial Watch, the materials “from the IRS’ files sent from Lerner to the FEC containing detailed, confidential information about the organizations. These include annual tax returns (Forms 990) ..."

and then implies what she be doing: against the law! .....Hilarious.

Spookyworld continues: "Under Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, it is a felony for an IRS official to disclose either “return information” or “taxpayer return information...”

Hot dammity! That sounds awful lawbreaky, donut?

Notice those words in quotes. Except what was shown was not “taxpayer return information."


I mean, look how confidential *this* ...erm, return information is:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2005/JW 2004-990 Public Disclosure.pdf

26 pages 'O 501 See Fun!

What's your point? They are an approved, tax exempt, corporation and following the law. The IRS, o the other hand, is required to keep that information private until after the approval process.

It didn't.

The information Lerner sent to the FEC was publicly available information.

See: Section 6104 of the IRS Codes.

American Issues Project ----> approved as an exempt organization, November 2007.
American Future Fund ----> approved in October 2008.

All those forms were public information by the time Lerner forwarded them to the FEC in March 2009.

It was not.

From your pathetic post defending Lerner's violation of the law.

A tax-exempt organization must make available for public inspection its approved application for recognition of exemption with all supporting documents available and its last three annual information returns.

See that, the organization has to make the document available after it is approved, not the IRS. And it has to be specifically requested through an FOIA request, not a blanket order to cooperate in a non investigation of another agency.

 

[paperview]

What's your point? They are an approved, tax exempt, corporation and following the law. The IRS, o the other hand, is required to keep that information private until after the approval process.

It didn't.

The information Lerner sent to the FEC was publicly available information.

See: Section 6104 of the IRS Codes.

American Issues Project ----> approved as an exempt organization, November 2007.
American Future Fund ----> approved in October 2008.

All those forms were public information by the time Lerner forwarded them to the FEC in March 2009.

It was not.

From your pathetic post defending Lerner's violation of the law.

A tax-exempt organization must make available for public inspection its approved application for recognition of exemption with all supporting documents available and its last three annual information returns.

See that, the organization has to make the document available after it is approved, not the IRS. And it has to be specifically requested through an FOIA request, not a blanket order to cooperate in a non investigation of another agency.

Dude, the documents have to be made publicly available. If the tax exempt org doesn't do it, anyone can walk into an IRS office and examine them there. They'll send them to you, too.

The IRS by law is required to make the information available.

Look it the fuck up and stop making a fool of yourself.

 

[paperview]

Here, I'll even give you a hand:

26 USC § 6104 - Publicity of information required from certain exempt organizations and certain trusts | Title 26 - Internal Revenue Code | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The information Lerner sent to the FEC was publicly available information.

See: Section 6104 of the IRS Codes.

American Issues Project ----> approved as an exempt organization, November 2007.
American Future Fund ----> approved in October 2008.

All those forms were public information by the time Lerner forwarded them to the FEC in March 2009.

It was not.

From your pathetic post defending Lerner's violation of the law.

A tax-exempt organization must make available for public inspection its approved application for recognition of exemption with all supporting documents available and its last three annual information returns.

See that, the organization has to make the document available after it is approved, not the IRS. And it has to be specifically requested through an FOIA request, not a blanket order to cooperate in a non investigation of another agency.

Dude, the documents have to be made publicly available. If the tax exempt org doesn't do it, anyone can walk into an IRS office and examine them there. They'll send them to you, too.

The IRS by law is required to make the information available.

Look it the fuck up and stop making a fool of yourself.

Let us assume, for the sake of showing how stupid you are, that you are right.

What is the process for making that information available? Is it a formal request, or an an off the books email?

 

[LoneLaugher]

It was not.

From your pathetic post defending Lerner's violation of the law.

See that, the organization has to make the document available after it is approved, not the IRS. And it has to be specifically requested through an FOIA request, not a blanket order to cooperate in a non investigation of another agency.

Dude, the documents have to be made publicly available. If the tax exempt org doesn't do it, anyone can walk into an IRS office and examine them there. They'll send them to you, too.

The IRS by law is required to make the information available.

Look it the fuck up and stop making a fool of yourself.

Let us assume, for the sake of showing how stupid you are, that you are right.

What is the process for making that information available? Is it a formal request, or an an off the books email?

Need a drink of water ? It doesn't appear as though any of your dopey pals are helping you dig this morning.

 

[Edgetho]

The information Lerner sent to the FEC was publicly available information.

See: Section 6104 of the IRS Codes.

American Issues Project ----> approved as an exempt organization, November 2007.
American Future Fund ----> approved in October 2008.

All those forms were public information by the time Lerner forwarded them to the FEC in March 2009.

It was not.

From your pathetic post defending Lerner's violation of the law.

A tax-exempt organization must make available for public inspection its approved application for recognition of exemption with all supporting documents available and its last three annual information returns.

See that, the organization has to make the document available after it is approved, not the IRS. And it has to be specifically requested through an FOIA request, not a blanket order to cooperate in a non investigation of another agency.

Dude, the documents have to be made publicly available. If the tax exempt org doesn't do it, anyone can walk into an IRS office and examine them there. They'll send them to you, too.

The IRS by law is required to make the information available.

Look it the fuck up and stop making a fool of yourself.

You're a lying scumbag.

So "XYZ" wants to start a 501(c)4 and files with the IRS. The IRS distributes all of the information in the filing publicly but the filing is later denied.

What then?

You're not only a liar, you're a stupid one to boot.

 

[paperview]

It was not.

From your pathetic post defending Lerner's violation of the law.

See that, the organization has to make the document available after it is approved, not the IRS. And it has to be specifically requested through an FOIA request, not a blanket order to cooperate in a non investigation of another agency.

Dude, the documents have to be made publicly available. If the tax exempt org doesn't do it, anyone can walk into an IRS office and examine them there. They'll send them to you, too.

The IRS by law is required to make the information available.

Look it the fuck up and stop making a fool of yourself.

You're a lying scumbag.

So "XYZ" wants to start a 501(c)4 and files with the IRS. The IRS distributes all of the information in the filing publicly but the filing is later denied.

What then?

You're not only a liar, you're a stupid one to boot.

What are you, 12?

 

[daveman]

A real OP. Three nit wits and me laughing at them.

So have you finally abandoned your laughable "mainstream GOP" claim?

Because you're in this thread repeating verbatim Obama talking points.

 

[Plasmaball]

A real OP. Three nit wits and me laughing at them.

So have you finally abandoned your laughable "mainstream GOP" claim?

Because you're in this thread repeating verbatim Obama talking points.

lol amusing davewelchmanmagee here is crying about someone else using talking points.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Dude, the documents have to be made publicly available. If the tax exempt org doesn't do it, anyone can walk into an IRS office and examine them there. They'll send them to you, too.

The IRS by law is required to make the information available.

Look it the fuck up and stop making a fool of yourself.

Let us assume, for the sake of showing how stupid you are, that you are right.

What is the process for making that information available? Is it a formal request, or an an off the books email?

Need a drink of water ? It doesn't appear as though any of your dopey pals are helping you dig this morning.

It doesn't look like anyone is helping paper either, or did you think you were?