The John Kennedy assassination ..who's who on the Grassy Knoll

More on the murderous - Allen Dulles....interesting article. Ever heard of the Safari Club?

Dulles stated his worldview publicly and explicitly in 1938 during his only run for political office: “Democracy only works if the so-called intelligent people make it work. You can’t sit back and let democracy run itself.” ---no doubt most of our recent Presidents would agree with him...Gipper

In a sense, however, all of The Devil’s Chessboard seems to exist to set the stage for the final chapters about the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy. In the first 500 pages you are convinced that Dulles would have had no moral qualms about killing any politician, including Americans. You learn Dulles had a lifetime of experience in arranging assassinations, and apparent ties to attempts to overthrow or murder French president Charles de Gaulle. And you discover the depth of his grudge against John F. Kennedy, who dismissed him and several of his key underlings after the Bay of Pigs.

But were JFK and possibly Robert Kennedy killed by conspiracies involving Dulles? That’s the conjecture of The Devil’s Chessboard. There’s no question Talbot has pulled together a lot of suggestive old information, and uncovered some that’s new. Furthermore, he certainly proves there was a great deal of reluctance on the part of journalists and politicians at the time to pull on even the most obvious threads. But 50 years later, I don’t think there’s any way to say much for sure on this subject, except that it’s pretty interesting.


The surveillance state is alive and well...amazingly many Americans are clueless. America may be more like the USSR than Russia is.


Moreover, it’s still right there in front of us today. Talbot recently argued, “The surveillance state that Snowden and others have exposed is very much a legacy of the Dulles past. I think Dulles would have been delighted by how technology and other developments have allowed the American security state to go much further than he went.”

Or as a staff member of the 1970s congressional investigation of Kennedy’s murder said in an interview with Talbot: “One CIA official told me, ‘So you’re from Congress — what the hell is that to us? You’ll be packed up and gone in a couple of years, and we’ll still be here.’” According to The Devil’s Chessboard, the Safari never ends.
A New Biography Traces the Pathology of Allen Dulles and His Appalling Cabal
america is indeed much more like communist Russia now under Stalins rule now where Russia is much more of a free country that america has ever been since 1913 when the fed took over which was a major reason why JFK was killed was he was going to abolish the fed.

Russia is smart,they are off the dollar now which makes the bankers angry and why they will probably try and start WWIII with Russia.

Oswald killed Kennedy as the evidence proves.

He had twisted reasons but nothing to suggest it had anything to do with the fed nor was Kennedy ever ging to abolish the fed.

You fail in facts and speculation as always
 
Oswald likely never fired a shot that day. The evidence is overwhelming that he did not kill JFK and the evidence that he never fired a shot that day, is nearly as overwhelming.

The evidence clearly shows a conspiracy occurred and a cover-up ensured.

Most Americans know this, but there are those who are just stubborn, stupid, or slavish believers in the lying State.
 
Oswald likely never fired a shot that day. The evidence is overwhelming that he did not kill JFK and the evidence that he never fired a shot that day, is nearly as overwhelming.

The evidence clearly shows a conspiracy occurred and a cover-up ensured.

Most Americans know this, but there are those who are just stubborn, stupid, or slavish believers in the lying State.
You are quote wrong the evidence is in fact overwhelming that he did fire 3 shots and there is no evidence that anyone else did.

You have yet to cite any such evidence but you keep repeating it exists. An assertion means nothing. The evidence that OSwald killed Kennedy has been cited and provided ad nauseum the Warren Commission presented mountains of this evidence. You have never read or fact checked the report but merely attack the report without evidence again.

There is no evidence of a conspiracy or coverup. Furthermore the claim that conspiracy theorists and their fans are smarter is a circular argument with no basis in truth. You have no superior enlightened or intellectual position to argue from.
 
There is no evidence proving Oswald fired a gun that day. There is no evidence proving Oswald was even on the sixth floor. There is no evidence the shitty bolt action rifle the government claimed was fired, was even fired.
 
There is no evidence proving Oswald fired a gun that day. There is no evidence proving Oswald was even on the sixth floor. There is no evidence the shitty bolt action rifle the government claimed was fired, was even fired.

well THATS old news,everybody knows that,thats the understatement of the century.You've proven that throughout this entire thread with my help of course.lol

so lets move on to my post,what are your thoughts here about this?

america is indeed much more like communist Russia now under Stalins rule now where Russia is much more of a free country that america has ever been since 1913 when the fed took over which was a major reason why JFK was killed was he was going to abolish the fed.

Russia is smart,they are off the dollar now which makes the bankers angry and why they will probably try and start WWIII with Russia.
 
There is no evidence proving Oswald fired a gun that day. There is no evidence proving Oswald was even on the sixth floor. There is no evidence the shitty bolt action rifle the government claimed was fired, was even fired.

well THATS old news,everybody knows that,thats the understatement of the century.You've proven that throughout this entire thread with my help of course.lol

so lets move on to my post,what are your thoughts here about this?

america is indeed much more like communist Russia now under Stalins rule now where Russia is much more of a free country that america has ever been since 1913 when the fed took over which was a major reason why JFK was killed was he was going to abolish the fed.

Russia is smart,they are off the dollar now which makes the bankers angry and why they will probably try and start WWIII with Russia.
I am not aware of JFK's plans to end the Fed. Can you provide references?
I do not doubt that the banker owned US gov will start WWIII to protect the reserve currency status. Putin is no doubt a threat to them.
 
There is no evidence proving Oswald fired a gun that day. There is no evidence proving Oswald was even on the sixth floor. There is no evidence the shitty bolt action rifle the government claimed was fired, was even fired.
Yes there most certainly is overwhelming evidence which has been provided to you that he was on the sixth floor and he fired the only 3 shots in dealey.

You can deny all.you like but you are denying fact and reality.
 
There is no evidence proving Oswald fired a gun that day. There is no evidence proving Oswald was even on the sixth floor. There is no evidence the shitty bolt action rifle the government claimed was fired, was even fired.

well THATS old news,everybody knows that,thats the understatement of the century.You've proven that throughout this entire thread with my help of course.lol

so lets move on to my post,what are your thoughts here about this?

america is indeed much more like communist Russia now under Stalins rule now where Russia is much more of a free country that america has ever been since 1913 when the fed took over which was a major reason why JFK was killed was he was going to abolish the fed.

Russia is smart,they are off the dollar now which makes the bankers angry and why they will probably try and start WWIII with Russia.
I am not aware of JFK's plans to end the Fed. Can you provide references?
I do not doubt that the banker owned US gov will start WWIII to protect the reserve currency status. Putin is no doubt a threat to them.
That's because there is no evidence he planned to shut down the thread.
 
No one saw Oswald with a gun on the sixth plan and shoot JFK. It is all speculation by the government to cover up its own actions.

Oswald was found on the second floor lunch room just seconds after the shots were fired. The government claims he shot the president, hid the rifle, ran the length of the sixth floor, down four flights of stairs and waltz into the lunch room cool as a cucumber and NO ONE SAW HIM until he was confronted by a cop with gun drawn. Absurd...no one who has researched the event HONESTLY...believes the government's bs.
 
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No one saw Oswald with a gun on the sixth plan and shoot JFK. It is all speculation by the government to cover up its own actions.

Oswald was found on the second floor lunch room just seconds after the shots were fired. The government claims he shot the president, hid the rifle, ran the length of the sixth floor, down four flights of stairs and waltz into the lunch room cool as a cucumber and NO ONE SAW HIM until he was confronted by a cop with gun drawn. Absurd...no one who has researched the event HONESTLY...believes the government's bs.

This is simply not true for several reasons.

Yes no one was actually on the sixth floor with him and no one saw him shoot. That however is irrelevant. No one saw ANYBODY firing a gun from anywhere in Dealey plaza. But we know someone did because two men were shot. It is not uncommon to find cases of premeditated murder with no immediate witnesses who saw the actual murder. This is because premeditated means planned and even a person of below average intelligence may well understand that it is best not to have witnesses.

What we do have is witnesses such as Charlie Givens who worked in the TSBD and saw Oswald on the sixth floor and even spoke to him on the sixth floor shortly before the assassination. He left Oswald there. This places Oswald on the sixth floor. When witnesses see someone in a certain location and then leave the person alone it is reasonable to conclude that said person remained there at least for a while and such is the case with Oswald.

The truly compelling evidence is the physical evidence which you pretend does not exist. His rifle with his prints ( and no other prints ) was found on the sixth floor. The bag he hid the rifle in was found on the sixth floor and on the bag were found fibers which exclusively matched the blanket which he had hidden the rifle under while storing it in Ruth Paine's garage. Shell cases were found and chemically proven to have been fired from his rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle and one had his print on it. All bullets or fragments of bullet recovered from the scene were chemically proven to have been fired from his exact rifle and no other. No other bullets or expended cartridges were found.

That is only some of the evidence and it is overwhelming nor have you challenged it or offered conflicting evidence.

It was actually two minutes after the shooting that he was confronted by other employees and a police officer on the second floor not as you say a matter of seconds. This allows more than ample time to stash the weapon behind some boxes ( where it was found ) and WALK down to the second floor. This fact has been proven by endless tests. MAny people have walked from the snipers nest to the spot where he stashed the rifle, paused and walked down to the second floor in less than two minutes. Your implication that he could not have done it is PROVEN false.

Yes the Warren Commission has researched this honestly as have many others. Like all who attack the Warren COmmission you have not read their report and cannot provide a shred of evidence that they were dishonest you only repeat the assertion WITHOUT evidence.

Much like your repeated claim that the government covered up their own shooting of Kennedy is unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

No matter how many times you repeat it you are only stating a belief WITHOUT evidence.

On the other hand the evidence that Oswald shot Kennedy is more crushing and overwhelming than most murders which are solved and result in conviction.

You are flat out denying fact and reality again
 
worth repeating because it is SO true.lol

still ANOTHER fart from the NAZI paid shill,the whining crybaby troll who crys to the mods at PF like the baby kid he is.:9::biggrin::banana:
 
There is no evidence proving Oswald fired a gun that day. There is no evidence proving Oswald was even on the sixth floor. There is no evidence the shitty bolt action rifle the government claimed was fired, was even fired.

well THATS old news,everybody knows that,thats the understatement of the century.You've proven that throughout this entire thread with my help of course.lol

so lets move on to my post,what are your thoughts here about this?

america is indeed much more like communist Russia now under Stalins rule now where Russia is much more of a free country that america has ever been since 1913 when the fed took over which was a major reason why JFK was killed was he was going to abolish the fed.

Russia is smart,they are off the dollar now which makes the bankers angry and why they will probably try and start WWIII with Russia.
I am not aware of JFK's plans to end the Fed. Can you provide references?
I do not doubt that the banker owned US gov will start WWIII to protect the reserve currency status. Putin is no doubt a threat to them.

It seems you have not researched this as throughly as i thought you had.:biggrin:

The bankers have been behind every presidential assassination and every major war. Lincoln and Kennedy were killed for the same reason. same as with JFK,John Wilkes Booth was their patsy and lone nutter same as oswald was.

as you can see from this link below,for five months are money was backed by silver and actually worth something.the money we have now is not backed by anything,it is as worthless as monopoly money.

for the trolls who try to deny this reality that JFK was killed by the bankers,many reseachers have the proof that he was because while in office,he had a couple hundred thousand or so notes printed out that said UNITED STATES NOTES on them instead of the notes we have now that say federal reserve notes on them. I have met researchers who were alive back then who STILL have some of those notes printed that said united states notes on them.:cool: a friend of mine has a few at his house.:thup:

after the assassination,Lyndon Johnson immediately stopped the printing of the notes two days later.


as you can see from these quotes by Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln,they knew what an evil entity the federal reserve is, what they said back then has come full circle and is happening RIGHT NOW. that is why i think they will try and start WWIII with Russia because Russia has gotten smart,they are off the dollar.:thup:


On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree,Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Rothschild Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest.

When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy signed this Order, it returned to the United States federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency - money – without going through the privately owned Rothschild Federal Reserve Bank.

kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of intrinsic value.

"The money power preys upon the nation in time of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me to tremble for the safety of our country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the republic is destroyed."Lincoln continued to fight against the central bank, and some now believe that it was his anticipated success in influencing Congress to limit the life of the Bank of the United States to just the war years that was the motivating factor behind his assassination.

In 1835, President Andrew Jackson declared his disdain for the international bankers:
"You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning."There followed an (unsuccessful) assassination attempt on President Jackson's life. Jackson had told his vice president, Martin Van Buren,
"The bank, Mr. Van Buren, is trying to kill me."Was this the beginning of a pattern of intrigue that would plague the White House itself over the coming decades? Was his (and Lincoln's) death related by an invisible thread to the international bankers?

JFK Killed After Shutting Down Rothschild’s Federal Reserve; List of US Presidents Murdered by the Rothschild Banking Cartel | Humans Are Free

as you can see from this video below,many presidents spoke out on how dangerous the federal reserve rothschild bank is.


The only president who spoke out against the fed and LIVED surviving an assassination attempt from the bankers was Andrew Jackson. that is why each president since JFK has lived as well because they have not tried to get rid of the fed.


Glenn Beck spoke about how the fed is dangerous as well,to no surprise after doing so,fox news fired him.
 
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all this information i have posted here is again WHY they will probably try and start a war with russia with our corrupt CIA behind it all since the CIA does the dirty work for the fed.they will probably try and start world war III with Russia since Russia unlike our government,is smart and has gotten off the dollar.:thup:

our country is like russias was under stalins rule where Russia is actually following the constitution of the united states.far more so than we are thats for sure.:thup:
 
No one saw Oswald with a gun on the sixth plan and shoot JFK. It is all speculation by the government to cover up its own actions.

Oswald was found on the second floor lunch room just seconds after the shots were fired. The government claims he shot the president, hid the rifle, ran the length of the sixth floor, down four flights of stairs and waltz into the lunch room cool as a cucumber and NO ONE SAW HIM until he was confronted by a cop with gun drawn. Absurd...no one who has researched the event HONESTLY...believes the government's bs.

This is simply not true for several reasons.

Yes no one was actually on the sixth floor with him and no one saw him shoot. That however is irrelevant. No one saw ANYBODY firing a gun from anywhere in Dealey plaza. But we know someone did because two men were shot. It is not uncommon to find cases of premeditated murder with no immediate witnesses who saw the actual murder. This is because premeditated means planned and even a person of below average intelligence may well understand that it is best not to have witnesses.

What we do have is witnesses such as Charlie Givens who worked in the TSBD and saw Oswald on the sixth floor and even spoke to him on the sixth floor shortly before the assassination. He left Oswald there. This places Oswald on the sixth floor. When witnesses see someone in a certain location and then leave the person alone it is reasonable to conclude that said person remained there at least for a while and such is the case with Oswald.

The truly compelling evidence is the physical evidence which you pretend does not exist. His rifle with his prints ( and no other prints ) was found on the sixth floor. The bag he hid the rifle in was found on the sixth floor and on the bag were found fibers which exclusively matched the blanket which he had hidden the rifle under while storing it in Ruth Paine's garage. Shell cases were found and chemically proven to have been fired from his rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle and one had his print on it. All bullets or fragments of bullet recovered from the scene were chemically proven to have been fired from his exact rifle and no other. No other bullets or expended cartridges were found.

That is only some of the evidence and it is overwhelming nor have you challenged it or offered conflicting evidence.

It was actually two minutes after the shooting that he was confronted by other employees and a police officer on the second floor not as you say a matter of seconds. This allows more than ample time to stash the weapon behind some boxes ( where it was found ) and WALK down to the second floor. This fact has been proven by endless tests. MAny people have walked from the snipers nest to the spot where he stashed the rifle, paused and walked down to the second floor in less than two minutes. Your implication that he could not have done it is PROVEN false.

Yes the Warren Commission has researched this honestly as have many others. Like all who attack the Warren COmmission you have not read their report and cannot provide a shred of evidence that they were dishonest you only repeat the assertion WITHOUT evidence.

Much like your repeated claim that the government covered up their own shooting of Kennedy is unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

No matter how many times you repeat it you are only stating a belief WITHOUT evidence.

On the other hand the evidence that Oswald shot Kennedy is more crushing and overwhelming than most murders which are solved and result in conviction.

You are flat out denying fact and reality again
So what you are saying is your's and the government's circumstantial evidence is better than mine and many expert's circumstantial evidence.

The thing is we know the government lies and lies often. Believing them is not smart.

The evidence of a conspiracy is overwhelming. You can chose to ignore it, but again that just means you are not intelligent enough to accept the truth.
 
No one saw Oswald with a gun on the sixth plan and shoot JFK. It is all speculation by the government to cover up its own actions.

Oswald was found on the second floor lunch room just seconds after the shots were fired. The government claims he shot the president, hid the rifle, ran the length of the sixth floor, down four flights of stairs and waltz into the lunch room cool as a cucumber and NO ONE SAW HIM until he was confronted by a cop with gun drawn. Absurd...no one who has researched the event HONESTLY...believes the government's bs.

This is simply not true for several reasons.

Yes no one was actually on the sixth floor with him and no one saw him shoot. That however is irrelevant. No one saw ANYBODY firing a gun from anywhere in Dealey plaza. But we know someone did because two men were shot. It is not uncommon to find cases of premeditated murder with no immediate witnesses who saw the actual murder. This is because premeditated means planned and even a person of below average intelligence may well understand that it is best not to have witnesses.

What we do have is witnesses such as Charlie Givens who worked in the TSBD and saw Oswald on the sixth floor and even spoke to him on the sixth floor shortly before the assassination. He left Oswald there. This places Oswald on the sixth floor. When witnesses see someone in a certain location and then leave the person alone it is reasonable to conclude that said person remained there at least for a while and such is the case with Oswald.

The truly compelling evidence is the physical evidence which you pretend does not exist. His rifle with his prints ( and no other prints ) was found on the sixth floor. The bag he hid the rifle in was found on the sixth floor and on the bag were found fibers which exclusively matched the blanket which he had hidden the rifle under while storing it in Ruth Paine's garage. Shell cases were found and chemically proven to have been fired from his rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle and one had his print on it. All bullets or fragments of bullet recovered from the scene were chemically proven to have been fired from his exact rifle and no other. No other bullets or expended cartridges were found.

That is only some of the evidence and it is overwhelming nor have you challenged it or offered conflicting evidence.

It was actually two minutes after the shooting that he was confronted by other employees and a police officer on the second floor not as you say a matter of seconds. This allows more than ample time to stash the weapon behind some boxes ( where it was found ) and WALK down to the second floor. This fact has been proven by endless tests. MAny people have walked from the snipers nest to the spot where he stashed the rifle, paused and walked down to the second floor in less than two minutes. Your implication that he could not have done it is PROVEN false.

Yes the Warren Commission has researched this honestly as have many others. Like all who attack the Warren COmmission you have not read their report and cannot provide a shred of evidence that they were dishonest you only repeat the assertion WITHOUT evidence.

Much like your repeated claim that the government covered up their own shooting of Kennedy is unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

No matter how many times you repeat it you are only stating a belief WITHOUT evidence.

On the other hand the evidence that Oswald shot Kennedy is more crushing and overwhelming than most murders which are solved and result in conviction.

You are flat out denying fact and reality again
So what you are saying is your's and the government's circumstantial evidence is better than mine and many expert's circumstantial evidence.

The thing is we know the government lies and lies often. Believing them is not smart.

The evidence of a conspiracy is overwhelming. You can chose to ignore it, but again that just means you are not intelligent enough to accept the truth.

you should ask the paid shill to look at my last post.lol

and actually i think you meant his and the governments circumstantial evidence against your hard factual evidence there is no proof oswald fired the shots and there was a conspiracy.
 
No one saw Oswald with a gun on the sixth plan and shoot JFK. It is all speculation by the government to cover up its own actions.

Oswald was found on the second floor lunch room just seconds after the shots were fired. The government claims he shot the president, hid the rifle, ran the length of the sixth floor, down four flights of stairs and waltz into the lunch room cool as a cucumber and NO ONE SAW HIM until he was confronted by a cop with gun drawn. Absurd...no one who has researched the event HONESTLY...believes the government's bs.

This is simply not true for several reasons.

Yes no one was actually on the sixth floor with him and no one saw him shoot. That however is irrelevant. No one saw ANYBODY firing a gun from anywhere in Dealey plaza. But we know someone did because two men were shot. It is not uncommon to find cases of premeditated murder with no immediate witnesses who saw the actual murder. This is because premeditated means planned and even a person of below average intelligence may well understand that it is best not to have witnesses.

What we do have is witnesses such as Charlie Givens who worked in the TSBD and saw Oswald on the sixth floor and even spoke to him on the sixth floor shortly before the assassination. He left Oswald there. This places Oswald on the sixth floor. When witnesses see someone in a certain location and then leave the person alone it is reasonable to conclude that said person remained there at least for a while and such is the case with Oswald.

The truly compelling evidence is the physical evidence which you pretend does not exist. His rifle with his prints ( and no other prints ) was found on the sixth floor. The bag he hid the rifle in was found on the sixth floor and on the bag were found fibers which exclusively matched the blanket which he had hidden the rifle under while storing it in Ruth Paine's garage. Shell cases were found and chemically proven to have been fired from his rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle and one had his print on it. All bullets or fragments of bullet recovered from the scene were chemically proven to have been fired from his exact rifle and no other. No other bullets or expended cartridges were found.

That is only some of the evidence and it is overwhelming nor have you challenged it or offered conflicting evidence.

It was actually two minutes after the shooting that he was confronted by other employees and a police officer on the second floor not as you say a matter of seconds. This allows more than ample time to stash the weapon behind some boxes ( where it was found ) and WALK down to the second floor. This fact has been proven by endless tests. MAny people have walked from the snipers nest to the spot where he stashed the rifle, paused and walked down to the second floor in less than two minutes. Your implication that he could not have done it is PROVEN false.

Yes the Warren Commission has researched this honestly as have many others. Like all who attack the Warren COmmission you have not read their report and cannot provide a shred of evidence that they were dishonest you only repeat the assertion WITHOUT evidence.

Much like your repeated claim that the government covered up their own shooting of Kennedy is unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

No matter how many times you repeat it you are only stating a belief WITHOUT evidence.

On the other hand the evidence that Oswald shot Kennedy is more crushing and overwhelming than most murders which are solved and result in conviction.

You are flat out denying fact and reality again
So what you are saying is your's and the government's circumstantial evidence is better than mine and many expert's circumstantial evidence.

The thing is we know the government lies and lies often. Believing them is not smart.

The evidence of a conspiracy is overwhelming. You can chose to ignore it, but again that just means you are not intelligent enough to accept the truth.

you should ask the paid shill to look at my last post.lol

and actually i think you meant his and the governments circumstantial evidence against your hard factual evidence there is no proof oswald fired the shots and there was a conspiracy.
Of the many holes in the government's story, the belief that Oswald shoots JFK, ends up seconds later in the lunch room, sticks around for awhile, takes a bus then a cab to his apartment, then be seen waiting for bus, then kills a cop in board daylight, then goes to a movie theater...is so ludicrous it boggles the mind.

Even the dumbest assassin knows he must get as far away from the shooting as quickly as possible.
 
No one saw Oswald with a gun on the sixth plan and shoot JFK. It is all speculation by the government to cover up its own actions.

Oswald was found on the second floor lunch room just seconds after the shots were fired. The government claims he shot the president, hid the rifle, ran the length of the sixth floor, down four flights of stairs and waltz into the lunch room cool as a cucumber and NO ONE SAW HIM until he was confronted by a cop with gun drawn. Absurd...no one who has researched the event HONESTLY...believes the government's bs.

This is simply not true for several reasons.

Yes no one was actually on the sixth floor with him and no one saw him shoot. That however is irrelevant. No one saw ANYBODY firing a gun from anywhere in Dealey plaza. But we know someone did because two men were shot. It is not uncommon to find cases of premeditated murder with no immediate witnesses who saw the actual murder. This is because premeditated means planned and even a person of below average intelligence may well understand that it is best not to have witnesses.

What we do have is witnesses such as Charlie Givens who worked in the TSBD and saw Oswald on the sixth floor and even spoke to him on the sixth floor shortly before the assassination. He left Oswald there. This places Oswald on the sixth floor. When witnesses see someone in a certain location and then leave the person alone it is reasonable to conclude that said person remained there at least for a while and such is the case with Oswald.

The truly compelling evidence is the physical evidence which you pretend does not exist. His rifle with his prints ( and no other prints ) was found on the sixth floor. The bag he hid the rifle in was found on the sixth floor and on the bag were found fibers which exclusively matched the blanket which he had hidden the rifle under while storing it in Ruth Paine's garage. Shell cases were found and chemically proven to have been fired from his rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle and one had his print on it. All bullets or fragments of bullet recovered from the scene were chemically proven to have been fired from his exact rifle and no other. No other bullets or expended cartridges were found.

That is only some of the evidence and it is overwhelming nor have you challenged it or offered conflicting evidence.

It was actually two minutes after the shooting that he was confronted by other employees and a police officer on the second floor not as you say a matter of seconds. This allows more than ample time to stash the weapon behind some boxes ( where it was found ) and WALK down to the second floor. This fact has been proven by endless tests. MAny people have walked from the snipers nest to the spot where he stashed the rifle, paused and walked down to the second floor in less than two minutes. Your implication that he could not have done it is PROVEN false.

Yes the Warren Commission has researched this honestly as have many others. Like all who attack the Warren COmmission you have not read their report and cannot provide a shred of evidence that they were dishonest you only repeat the assertion WITHOUT evidence.

Much like your repeated claim that the government covered up their own shooting of Kennedy is unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

No matter how many times you repeat it you are only stating a belief WITHOUT evidence.

On the other hand the evidence that Oswald shot Kennedy is more crushing and overwhelming than most murders which are solved and result in conviction.

You are flat out denying fact and reality again
So what you are saying is your's and the government's circumstantial evidence is better than mine and many expert's circumstantial evidence.

The thing is we know the government lies and lies often. Believing them is not smart.

The evidence of a conspiracy is overwhelming. You can chose to ignore it, but again that just means you are not intelligent enough to accept the truth.

you should ask the paid shill to look at my last post.lol

and actually i think you meant his and the governments circumstantial evidence against your hard factual evidence there is no proof oswald fired the shots and there was a conspiracy.
Of the many holes in the government's story, the belief that Oswald shoots JFK, ends up seconds later in the lunch room, sticks around for awhile, takes a bus then a cab to his apartment, then be seen waiting for bus, then kills a cop in board daylight, then goes to a movie theater...is so ludicrous it boggles the mind.

Even the dumbest assassin knows he must get as far away from the shooting as quickly as possible.

what did the shill say before on that other thread when you asked him if he had just shot the president,would he have gone down a flight of stairs into the breakroom and buy a coke? what was the answer his boss told him post to you then?:lmao::rofl:
 

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