The liberal march towards EXTREME fascism

[koshergrl]

fascism
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Oh brother, I hate it when the ignorant pull this crap.

"Many people want to track the Left by a kind of lineage interpretation. So they go back and look at intellectuals (usually quite selectively) and say something like: These people called themselves the Left, the people they hated were “the Right,” they hated the Nazis therefore the Nazis were right-wing."


"...fascism was seen as being to the “right” of Communism....Trotsky considered fascism to be right-wing socialism or middle-class socialism. It seems to me that the key word there is socialism, which is properly understood as a phenomenon of the Left. (The Soviets also considered not only the New Deal fascist and right-wing, but the American Socialist Party, too.)"

So perhaps if you are a Marxist, you consider fascism as a right wing phenom.

"Pseudoerasmus (and many others) notes that the Nazis maintained (limited and often purely rhetorical) respect for private property! The Soviets didn’t! Therefore, the Nazis were not left-wing! Well, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders believe in private property a good deal more than the Nazis did. Does that make them right-wingers?"

"Despite the worker-friendly rhetoric of fascists, they in actual power regimented labour in such a way as to please any strike-breaking capitalist of the 19th century. The Nazis, for example, forced workers into a single state-controlled trades union (DAF), which controlled wage growth and prevented striking and wage arbitration. Businesses (some, not even most), by contrast, were given incentives to consolidate into Morgan-style industrial trusts as shareholers and engage in contractual relations as monopolists or near-monopolists with other trusts and with the state. Here we go again. Yes, Nazis squelched independent labor unions. Yes, yes, Nazis repressed socialists and Communists. Fine, fine. You know who else treated independent labor unions roughly? You know who else repressed socialists and Communists? The Soviet Union. The Soviets surely killed and arrested more domestic socialists, starting with the Mensheviks, than the Nazis did. And how did labor unions fare in the Soviet Union? How were strikes treated? Let’s ask the survivors of the Novocherkassk massacre or the Kengir uprising. "

"The more interesting point, I think, is that most Communist regimes eventually stop erasing traditional society root and branch and move toward a policy of invoking and co-opting useful national traditions and institutions. It turns out that the masses grow weary of doctrinaire socialism and need a little nationalism to get out of bed (and, quite often, nationalist regimes slowly realize they can’t stay in power without becoming ever stricter socialists)...The best example of course is today’s North Korea, which started conventionally Communist but eventually became insanely nationalist (and racist). The economic policies don’t change that much, but the arguments for them do. "

Read more at: Was Fascism Right-Wing (Again)?

 

[koshergrl]

"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist,
since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly
accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously,
"is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not
Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term
and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the
Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German
ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the
common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism.
Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike
Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it
is patriotic."

Great interviews of the 20th century: Adolf Hitler interviewed by George Sylvester Viereck

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh and Goldberg a jew and Trump hater said this

Liberal Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the book, Goldberg argues that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that before World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".

He was right on.....facisim is a form of progressivism

Let's just start right here, Mr. P:

"They engage in massive speech control campaigns. If Donald Trump attempts to hold a political rally - they riot..."

Riot? You mean a handful of people who stand up, shout and then are bodily removed by security is a riot? How old are you?

So a "handful of people" caused Chicago to cancel Trump's political rally? Your'e an idiot and a typical libtard trying to spew left-wing propaganda.

Donald Trump cancels Chicago rally after protesters, supporters clash

Yes, according to your very own link four people were arrested. That's smaller than a handful.
Given Chicago's problems with violence not related to Mr. Trump, it was probably a good call to cancel the rally.

We all know the left set that shit up....and they are extremely violent...conservatives have to work, we don't have time for that bullshit.

Progressivism is a process and philosophy with Big Governments from the left and the right for governmental, political, social, and cultural change.

Glad to see that you are in agreement that we have a one-party big and growing bigger Gov't system. Whether Trump wins or loses the election is not the point, as Trumps' major contribution has been exposing the GOP as really being big-gov't progressives themselves.
That, alone, already makes Trump a winner!!!..........................

Trump, my little friend, as you agree, is a right wing fascist. Yes, the Dems and the Pubs are progressive statist parties. Only far right and libertarian and anarchist weirdos would think, in this day and age, that is necessarily a bad thing. Thank you for admitting you are a weirdo.

 

[B. Kidd]

Oh and Goldberg a jew and Trump hater said this

Liberal Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the book, Goldberg argues that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that before World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".

He was right on.....facisim is a form of progressivism

So a "handful of people" caused Chicago to cancel Trump's political rally? Your'e an idiot and a typical libtard trying to spew left-wing propaganda.

Donald Trump cancels Chicago rally after protesters, supporters clash

Yes, according to your very own link four people were arrested. That's smaller than a handful.
Given Chicago's problems with violence not related to Mr. Trump, it was probably a good call to cancel the rally.

We all know the left set that shit up....and they are extremely violent...conservatives have to work, we don't have time for that bullshit.

Progressivism is a process and philosophy with Big Governments from the left and the right for governmental, political, social, and cultural change.

Glad to see that you are in agreement that we have a one-party big and growing bigger Gov't system. Whether Trump wins or loses the election is not the point, as Trumps' major contribution has been exposing the GOP as really being big-gov't progressives themselves.
That, alone, already makes Trump a winner!!!..........................

Trump, my little friend, as you agree, is a right wing fascist. Yes, the Dems and the Pubs are progressive statist parties. Only far right and libertarian and anarchist weirdos would think, in this day and age, that is necessarily a bad thing. Thank you for admitting you are a weirdo.

And thank you for looking completely pawned by me, again..........

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh and Goldberg a jew and Trump hater said this

Liberal Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the book, Goldberg argues that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that before World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".

He was right on.....facisim is a form of progressivism

Yes, according to your very own link four people were arrested. That's smaller than a handful.
Given Chicago's problems with violence not related to Mr. Trump, it was probably a good call to cancel the rally.

We all know the left set that shit up....and they are extremely violent...conservatives have to work, we don't have time for that bullshit.

Progressivism is a process and philosophy with Big Governments from the left and the right for governmental, political, social, and cultural change.

Glad to see that you are in agreement that we have a one-party big and growing bigger Gov't system. Whether Trump wins or loses the election is not the point, as Trumps' major contribution has been exposing the GOP as really being big-gov't progressives themselves.
That, alone, already makes Trump a winner!!!..........................

Trump, my little friend, as you agree, is a right wing fascist. Yes, the Dems and the Pubs are progressive statist parties. Only far right and libertarian and anarchist weirdos would think, in this day and age, that is necessarily a bad thing. Thank you for admitting you are a weirdo.

And thank you for looking completely pawned by me, again..........

Thank you for being pwnd by all of us. It is great fun watching you try to imitate and write like your betters here, but keep trying, and we will keep helping you.

 

[B. Kidd]

Oh and Goldberg a jew and Trump hater said this

Liberal Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the book, Goldberg argues that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that before World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".

He was right on.....facisim is a form of progressivism
We all know the left set that shit up....and they are extremely violent...conservatives have to work, we don't have time for that bullshit.

Progressivism is a process and philosophy with Big Governments from the left and the right for governmental, political, social, and cultural change.

Glad to see that you are in agreement that we have a one-party big and growing bigger Gov't system. Whether Trump wins or loses the election is not the point, as Trumps' major contribution has been exposing the GOP as really being big-gov't progressives themselves.
That, alone, already makes Trump a winner!!!..........................

Trump, my little friend, as you agree, is a right wing fascist. Yes, the Dems and the Pubs are progressive statist parties. Only far right and libertarian and anarchist weirdos would think, in this day and age, that is necessarily a bad thing. Thank you for admitting you are a weirdo.

And thank you for looking completely pawned by me, again..........

Thank you for being pwnd by all of us. It is great fun watching you try to imitate and write like your betters here, but keep trying, and we will keep helping you.

BTW, you are on the left........

 

[P@triot]

How interesting that these scared people have to just create their own definitions when real ones don't suit them. Trumpers.

How sad that you think the side that believes in small, limited government (and whose extremists believe in no government at all) is the side that also consists of totalitarian government (or the exact opposite of what right-wing extremism believes).

You continue to take stupid to unprecedented levels WaitingFor2020.

 

[bripat9643]

The left has always been fascist in nature (obviously - since fascism is a form of government oppression). But in the past few years, the left has made a rapid march towards extreme fascism.

They engage in massive speech control campaigns. If Donald Trump attempts to hold a political rally - they riot (costing a fortune in damage to public and private property). If someone attempts to merely attend a Donald Trump political rally, the left engages in violent assaults. Fascism.

They engage in massive thought control campaigns. If someone wishes to avoid homosexual acts or homosexual celebrations (whether it be for religious reasons, comfort reasons, or just plain old hate), the left attempts to turn that into a crime and advocates for the government to place a gun to the head of those individuals and force them to take part in the homosexual activities. And of course - they've advocated for and manufactured the comical "hate crime" fallacy. Fascism.

This story here is a remarkable indication of the left's embrace of extreme fascism. It revolves around the "Soldiers of Odin". A group rightfully concerned with radical islam. And yet despite being peaceful while liberals engage in violent assaults, the left wants to label these individuals as a "hate" group. So what happened when this group deployed members to a mosque in Denver? Did they brutally attack and bloody muslims like liberals do? Nope. Quite the contrary - the imam of the mosque invited the group in to sit down and talk. They had a peaceful and cordial interaction?

This "incident" is literally the shining example of America at its finest. Concerned citizens form a group of their own free will. The muslims not only continue to engage in their right to religious freedom - but they invite the concerned group into their mosque to see for themselves and to engage in dialect. Everything America was built on and intended to be. And yet the left is angry about this - desperate to falsely label the group a "hate" group and to eliminate them.

A Growing Vigilante Group Is Targeting U.S. Mosques

Let's just start right here, Mr. P:

"They engage in massive speech control campaigns. If Donald Trump attempts to hold a political rally - they riot..."

Riot? You mean a handful of people who stand up, shout and then are bodily removed by security is a riot? How old are you?

""" (costing a fortune in damage to public and private property).""

Because these individuals are escorted outside the building?

"" If someone attempts to merely attend a Donald Trump political rally, the left engages in violent assaults. Fascism.""
fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Mr. P, you are an idiot, sir.

Seems you're a tad bit fascist.....seems to be a proud democrat trait around here....

Seems you don't understand the difference between individual free speech and fascism.

Disrupting private events is fascism.

 

[P@triot]

The primary difference between Fascism and Communism is that one is a dictatorship of the wealthy and the other is a dictatorship of the workers. Both use nationalism and military force to enforce that dictatorship. Liberals are neither fascist or communists. They're Liberals - they believe in democracy, well-regulated capitalism and government programs to mitigate the unfairness and poverty inherent in capitalism.

You do have a point there. And that point really illustrates just how radical the left has become. The Democrat Party has been completely hijacked by socialists/communists/marxists/fascists/etc.

For instance - if the Democrat Party today truly believed in "Democracy" then they would not shred the U.S. Constitution. They would not attempt to strip American's of their 2nd Amendment rights. They wouldn't attempt to strip the American people of their right to choose for their own state whether they accept gay marriage, or government-controlled healthcare, etc.

The left in this country has gone completely bat-shit crazy in a huge way. They are nothing like the true liberals of the JFK-era.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Today's Republicans are nothing like Reagan either. What's your point?

 

[bripat9643]

Here, Mr. P, this is a political riot: Scroll to :26

How about this riot?

 

[P@triot]

Today's Republicans are nothing like Reagan either. What's your point?

That's true! Today's Republican's are 100% JFK-era liberals. However, the Tea Party, the Constitution Party, and the Libertarian Party are exactly like Ronald Reagan. They advocate one thing and one thing only: Constitutional government. Gasp! Oh the horrors of following the law! How will any "liberal" survive?!?!

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Constitutional government? they are much more like fascist regimes than the liberals, who are naturally receptive to other ideas. It is the conservatives that want to tell you what you can do in your bedroom, whom you can marry, and make Christianity the state religion influencing governmental policy, our legal system, and the science we teach in schools. They are very scary and if taken to extremes can easily make some leap to fascism. I mean, considering their intolerance of other people and ideas, their suppression of the vote, their hostility to science, their Orwellian manipulation of the language, etc., it is conceivable they would embrace fascism.

 

[P@triot]

How interesting that these scared people have to just create their own definitions when real ones don't suit them. Trumpers.

Since we know that the right believes in limited government and maximum freedom for the individual, it's very easy to understand that the further right you go, government continues to get smaller and less powerful (the complete opposite of fascism, stupid).

As you start to go further right, you reach the libertarian. The libertarian believes that a person should have total freedom unto themselves. You want to smoke crack-cocaine? Go for it! You want to commit suicide? Have at it!

As you continue, you start to hit the radical fringe - the Sovereign Citizen. This is a person who believes they are "sovereign" unto themselves. They answer to nobody, under any circumstances. They do not recognize the U.S. government. They believe they do not have to pay taxes, they do not have to obey traffic laws, etc.

The farthest fringe and the very end is the Anarchist. Unlike the Sovereign Citizen who believes in an ideology that only applies to them (you're welcome to follow the laws - they choose not to), the anarchist believes in no government and no laws at all for anyone. It's not just a personal choice for them - it's something they want to see forced on all of society.

This radical fringe element of the right is downright scary. They are a menace to society. They will, and often do, commit murder. They are violent, unhinged, pose a real threat to anyone around them. I do not, under any circumstances, condone their actions or agree with their ideology. A Constitutional government is the backbone of a civilized and peaceful society. Nobody has the right to ignore the laws of a Constitutional government (you do have the right to leave anytime you want if you don't like the laws, but you do not have the right to violate them). I have had heated debates with Sovereign Citizens on this board (most of them posing as "libertarians") who have actually stated that you do not have to stop if an officer attempts to pull you over (no, I'm not joking - they have actually stated that right here on this board), you do not have to provide ID, and you can drive away any time you want. Here are a few examples of the violent and despicable Sovereign Citizen:

• Convicted Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols was a member of the sovereign citizen movement
  
• In May 2010, two police officers in West Memphis, Arkansas were shot and killed by Joseph T. Kane after Kane and his father were the subject of a traffic stop. Kane and his father were later identified as members of the sovereign citizen movement.
  
• On June 18, 2012, Francis August Schaeffer Cox, who had asserted that he was a sovereign citizen, was found guilty in the United States District Court in Anchorage, Alaska, of several felony charges including conspiracy to commit murder
  
• On June 20, 2012, Anson Chi was arrested by federal authorities for allegedly trying to blow up a natural gas pipe line in a residential area of Plano, Texas.
  
• On July 19, 2012, Martin Jonassen, who had described himself as a sovereign citizen, was found guilty by a jury in a federal court of kidnapping his 21 year old daughter, who he allegedly had sexually abused, and of obstruction of justice. During the incident, the daughter escaped from a hotel room where Jonassen had been holding her, ran naked into a store and begged for help. Jonassen was caught on surveillance footage chasing her, dragging her out of the store and pushing her into his car. The daughter reportedly "had never been to school and only read books about religion, history and the government approved by her father." She had seen a doctor only once in her life. On February 19, 2013, Jonassen was sentenced to forty years in federal prison
  
• On August 27, 2012, Lonnie G. Vernon and Karen Vernon, an Alaska couple who were described as "followers of Schaeffer Cox", pled guilty to conspiracy to commit murder of U.S. District Judge Ralph Beistline, who presided over a federal income tax case based on sovereign-citizen theories which had cost the Vernons their house

However, the right-wing extremists pose a very small threat to society because they are generally "lone wolf" individuals and no more than small groups and they have very limited resources. Generally speaking, so long as you leave them alone, they will leave you alone. They are really only a threat to law enforcement who are tasked with enforcing laws upon them which they believe should not be posed against them.

Sovereign citizen movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P@triot]

How interesting that these scared people have to just create their own definitions when real ones don't suit them. Trumpers.

Since we know that the left believes in unlimited government with maximum power, it's very easy to understand that the further left you go, government continues to get larger and more powerful. As you start to go further left, you reach the socialist. As you continue, you start to hit the radical fringe - the Marxists. Finally, the farthest fringe and the very end is the Communist, Fascist, or Totalitarianism . These groups believes in in total government control. A person has no freedoms or rights - they do as instructed by the government for the "good" of the entire nation.

The radical fringe of the left, believe it or not, is actually more scary and dangerous than the radical fringe of the right. While the radical fringe of the right has murderous tendencies, these are almost always limited to individuals or very small groups. The radical fringe of the left, through out history, are responsible for the murder of HUNDREDS of MILLIONS. The well known, notorious examples below:

• Joseph Stalin - estimates are he was responsible for orchestrating the death of anywhere from 40 to 60 million people
  
• Adolf Hitler - responsible for orchestrating the death of over 11 million people
  
• Vladimir Lenin - estimates are he was responsible for orchestrating the death of nearly 3.5 million people.
  
• Benito Mussolini - estimates are he was responsible for orchestrating the death of many thousands
  
• Saddam Hussein - estimates are he was responsible for orchestrating the death of many thousands

As you can see, the radical left is far more dangerous than the radical right because of the power handed to them by the people. While the fringe right is limited in the havoc they can wreak because they are extremely limited in their resources, the radical left has nearly unlimited resources because of their control over the government, and hence, the people.

 

[bripat9643]

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fascism
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

You seem to be one of the prouder stupid liberal fucktards.....

Your reference is from a blog by a guy named Woody. Note the credit it in the lower right hand corner. Are you so easily duped all the time or just this one?
Don't take my word for it, just learn how to use a dictionary.

fascism: definition of fascism in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
"The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, aninsistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.""

Any definition that contains the term "right wing" is bullshit, automatically. Whether it's "right wing" is an opinion. First you have to define the term "right wing," and supporting socialism doesn't fit the definition.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

How interesting that these scared people have to just create their own definitions when real ones don't suit them. Trumpers.

Since we know that the left believes in unlimited government with maximum power, it's very easy to understand that the further left you go, government continues to get larger and more powerful. As you start to go further left, you reach the socialist. As you continue, you start to hit the radical fringe - the Marxists. Finally, the farthest fringe and the very end is the Communist, Fascist, or Totalitarianism . These groups believes in in total government control. A person has no freedoms or rights - they do as instructed by the government for the "good" of the entire nation.

The radical fringe of the left, believe it or not, is actually more scary and dangerous than the radical fringe of the right. While the radical fringe of the right has murderous tendencies, these are almost always limited to individuals or very small groups. The radical fringe of the left, through out history, are responsible for the murder of HUNDREDS of MILLIONS. The well known, notorious examples below:

• Joseph Stalin - estimates are he was responsible for orchestrating the death of anywhere from 40 to 60 million people
  
• Adolf Hitler - responsible for orchestrating the death of over 11 million people
  
• Vladimir Lenin - estimates are he was responsible for orchestrating the death of nearly 3.5 million people.
  
• Benito Mussolini - estimates are he was responsible for orchestrating the death of many thousands
  
• Saddam Hussein - estimates are he was responsible for orchestrating the death of many thousands

As you can see, the radical left is far more dangerous than the radical right because of the power handed to them by the people. While the fringe right is limited in the havoc they can wreak because they are extremely limited in their resources, the radical left has nearly unlimited resources because of their control over the government, and hence, the people.

I think I would enjoy this thread more without the cut and paste, it makes me feel like I'm arguing against a book. Do you think you could put your own thoughts into your answers?

 

[bripat9643]

How interesting that these scared people have to just create their own definitions when real ones don't suit them. Trumpers.

You mean the leftwing definitions don't suit us. Yes, that's correct. Leftwing definitions are bullshit.

 

[owebo]

Yanno.................conservatives are proving that they really don't know what most political terms actually mean.

Sad, really.

And then there is you....

 

[Juan de Fuca]

From the Far Left to the Far Right....


4R) ANARCHISM


3R) COMMUNISM


2R) SOCIALISM


1R) LIBERALISM/PROGRESSIVISM


============================


1L) CONSERVATIVISM


2L) REACTIONARIANISM


3L) MONARCHISM


4L) FASCISM/NAZISM


Hitler and the Nazis were right wing. This is how they considered themselves, this is how their current neo-nazi successors consider themselves. Its how everyone considered them in their heyday: The Russian Communists, the US Capitalists, the various European and Asian nations: All knew the Nazis were the voice of the far right. This is how history has always considered them. It was never a question when they were in power. Hitler CLEARLY situated ANTI-COMMUNISM as a core facet of his political vision.