The libertarian view on voluntary Socialism

[Natural Citizen]

Libertarianism gives full permission for voluntary socialism. If people go together and they all agree that they're running their community whether it be a large one, a small one, a medium sized one, or whatever, they should be free to do that, so long as they've rejected the notion of force. But people should be able to opt out.

That's thelibertarian view on voluntary socialism.

With all of the many threads around here debating socialism, I've not ever seen one offered from a libertarian perspective.

So, there we have it.

 

[eagle1462010]

2018 Platform | Libertarian Party

STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLES
We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.

We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life — accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action — accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property — accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation.

Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.



Note: The Statement of Principles was approved at the Convention in Dallas in 1974.

 

[bripat9643]

Libertarianism gives full permission for voluntary socialism. If people go together and they all agree that they're running their community whether it be a large one, a small one, a medium sized one, or whatever, they should be free to do that, so long as they've rejected the notion of force. But people should be able to opt out.

That's thelibertarian view on voluntary socialism.

With all of the many threads around here debating socialism, I've not ever seen one offered from a libertarian perspective.

So, there we have it.

The phrase "voluntary socialism" is an oxymoron.

 

[eagle1462010]

There is a difference between Libertarian and Social Libertarian principles............

Most libertarian want gov't out of their lives..............Small Gov't..............which is constitutional principles............social Libertarians are not the same.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

By its very definition Socialism is not voluntary.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The Libertarian Party isn't a very good representative for libertarianism, in my libertarian view. Heh heh.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Libertarianism gives full permission for voluntary socialism. If people go together and they all agree that they're running their community whether it be a large one, a small one, a medium sized one, or whatever, they should be free to do that, so long as they've rejected the notion of force. But people should be able to opt out.

That's thelibertarian view on voluntary socialism.

With all of the many threads around here debating socialism, I've not ever seen one offered from a libertarian perspective.

So, there we have it.

The phrase "voluntary socialism" is an oxymoron.

Is it really? Are not highways and police and fire service and even the military all examples of voluntary socialism?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

By its very definition Socialism is not voluntary.

Why could this not be voluntary?

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

[eagle1462010]

Libertarianism gives full permission for voluntary socialism. If people go together and they all agree that they're running their community whether it be a large one, a small one, a medium sized one, or whatever, they should be free to do that, so long as they've rejected the notion of force. But people should be able to opt out.

That's thelibertarian view on voluntary socialism.

With all of the many threads around here debating socialism, I've not ever seen one offered from a libertarian perspective.

So, there we have it.

The phrase "voluntary socialism" is an oxymoron.

Is it really? Are not highways and police and fire service and even the military all examples of voluntary socialism?

Enumerated powers outlined the basics of Gov't that are necessary.......and reserved the rest to the states........

As local as possible being the key.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Libertarianism gives full permission for voluntary socialism. If people go together and they all agree that they're running their community whether it be a large one, a small one, a medium sized one, or whatever, they should be free to do that, so long as they've rejected the notion of force. But people should be able to opt out.

That's thelibertarian view on voluntary socialism.

With all of the many threads around here debating socialism, I've not ever seen one offered from a libertarian perspective.

So, there we have it.

The phrase "voluntary socialism" is an oxymoron.

Is it really? Are not highways and police and fire service and even the military all examples of voluntary socialism?

Enumerated powers outlined the basics of Gov't that are necessary.......and reserved the rest to the states........

As local as possible being the key.

I agree, but even states and counties and cities band together to pay for highways and police and fire service as well as education

 

[eagle1462010]

Libertarianism gives full permission for voluntary socialism. If people go together and they all agree that they're running their community whether it be a large one, a small one, a medium sized one, or whatever, they should be free to do that, so long as they've rejected the notion of force. But people should be able to opt out.

That's thelibertarian view on voluntary socialism.

With all of the many threads around here debating socialism, I've not ever seen one offered from a libertarian perspective.

So, there we have it.

The phrase "voluntary socialism" is an oxymoron.

Is it really? Are not highways and police and fire service and even the military all examples of voluntary socialism?

Enumerated powers outlined the basics of Gov't that are necessary.......and reserved the rest to the states........

As local as possible being the key.

I agree, but even states and counties and cities band together to pay for highways and police and fire service as well as education

They are mandatory ............essential forms of governments...........handing your money to others for whatever someone deems necessary is not the same thing...........That would fall under Charity............and that has been abused to the ends of the earth..........and lined politicians pockets for a very long time......

That is not the agenda of a pure libertarian...............

 

[gtopa1]

Libertarianism gives full permission for voluntary socialism. If people go together and they all agree that they're running their community whether it be a large one, a small one, a medium sized one, or whatever, they should be free to do that, so long as they've rejected the notion of force. But people should be able to opt out.

That's thelibertarian view on voluntary socialism.

With all of the many threads around here debating socialism, I've not ever seen one offered from a libertarian perspective.

So, there we have it.

The phrase "voluntary socialism" is an oxymoron.

I think they're talking about a Covenant Community; sorta religious thingies or Kibbutz style things. Usually though Socialists mean Communes..exit by bullet!

Greg

 

[eagle1462010]

Libertarianism gives full permission for voluntary socialism. If people go together and they all agree that they're running their community whether it be a large one, a small one, a medium sized one, or whatever, they should be free to do that, so long as they've rejected the notion of force. But people should be able to opt out.

That's thelibertarian view on voluntary socialism.

With all of the many threads around here debating socialism, I've not ever seen one offered from a libertarian perspective.

So, there we have it.

The phrase "voluntary socialism" is an oxymoron.

I think they're talking about a Covenant Community; sorta religious thingies or Kibbutz style things. Usually though Socialists mean Communes..exit by bullet!

Greg

 

[Flash]

There is no place in Libertarian philosophy to accommodate collectivism. The two are not compatible.

 

[Natural Citizen]

2018 Platform | Libertarian Party

STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLES

We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

This is the very same Libertarian Party who offered Gary Johnson for President. The very same Gary Johnson, btw, who openly professed that he'd send men with guns from the government to force Individuals and groups of Individuals to relinquish their property (cake as it was at the time) to other Individuals and to other groups of Individuals. Effectively a transfer of wealth at the barrel of a government gun.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There is no place in Libertarian philosophy to accommodate collectivism. The two are not compatible.

So, libertarianism rejects the right to freedom of voluntary association? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Libertarianism gives full permission for voluntary socialism. If people go together and they all agree that they're running their community whether it be a large one, a small one, a medium sized one, or whatever, they should be free to do that, so long as they've rejected the notion of force. But people should be able to opt out.

That's thelibertarian view on voluntary socialism.

With all of the many threads around here debating socialism, I've not ever seen one offered from a libertarian perspective.

So, there we have it.

Socialism is HOSTLE to the principles of "freedom" libertarians claim to support. Of course you're free to vote away your rights, and this is why your philosophy is s a failure. Yours is nothing more than democracy. Thank God we have a Constitutionally limited REPUBLIC.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Why could this not be voluntary?

I don't think think they understand what I'm saying here. Dunno how much effort I feel like puttig into explaining the nature of voluntaryism. Ha.

 

[Flash]

There is no place in Libertarian philosophy to accommodate collectivism. The two are not compatible.

So, libertarianism rejects the right to freedom of voluntary association? Is that what you're saying?

Socialism requires mandatory participation. Mandatory collectivism, not to mention the massive authoritative bureaucracy necessary to run it. That is incompatible with Libertarian philosophy.

If you want to be stupid commie then go be one but you aren't a Libertarian.

 

[Natural Citizen]

If you want to be stupid commie then go be one but you aren't a Libertarian.

Well, that's not a very nice thing to say. I'm more of a small l libertarian, though. I'm not a fan if the big L.

But you disregarded my question. I asked if you rejected the notion that people have a right to freeedom of association. It seems so. But I don't want to insinuate anything.