The libertarian view on voluntary Socialism

[bripat9643]

By its very definition Socialism is not voluntary.

Why could this not be voluntary?

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

What if I say "hooey" on your so-called voluntary socialism, create a firm to build flat screen televisions, and sell them to the members of your "voluntary" socialist community?

I assume you would be asked to leave the community.

So you admit it isn't voluntary.

Thanks for playing, hosebag.

 

[Tehon]

Socialism requires mandatory participation. Mandatory collectivism, not to mention the massive authoritative bureaucracy necessary to run it.

You just described capitalism.

You are confused.

You don't have to participate in capitalism. If you don't want the products or services created under capitalism then don't buy them.

However, if you live under socialism you are forced to be a slave of the state. There is no option.

All human beings have natural requirements that need to be met to sustain life. If the capitalist economic system is the one in play then we are naturally compelled to participate.

Nature compels you to eat, not capitalism.

I have to eat food, which is produced and distributed in a capitalist system.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism requires mandatory participation. Mandatory collectivism, not to mention the massive authoritative bureaucracy necessary to run it.

You just described capitalism.

You are confused.

You don't have to participate in capitalism. If you don't want the products or services created under capitalism then don't buy them.

However, if you live under socialism you are forced to be a slave of the state. There is no option.

All human beings have natural requirements that need to be met to sustain life. If the capitalist economic system is the one in play then we are naturally compelled to participate.

Nature compels you to eat, not capitalism.

Which is produced and distributed in a capitalist system.

If you don't want to eat food produced by capitalists, you can grow your own.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

By its very definition Socialism is not voluntary.

Why could this not be voluntary?

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

What if I say "hooey" on your so-called voluntary socialism, create a firm to build flat screen televisions, and sell them to the members of your "voluntary" socialist community?

I assume you would be asked to leave the community.

So you admit it isn't voluntary.

Thanks for playing, hosebag.

Yes, it would be voluntary. You would have the choice of following the group or leaving, either would be your voluntary choice.

 

[Natural Citizen]

You are confused.

You don't have to participate in capitalism. If you don't want the products or services created under capitalism then don't buy them.

However, if you live under socialism you are forced to be a slave of the state. There is no option.

I don't think we have capitalism. We have economic intervention. We have a planned economy. We have protectionism. We have central economic planning by a central bank. We have inflationism. We have a welfare state. We have a belief in deficit financing.

Can I opt out of that without denuncing citizenship? I do not consent.

 

[bripat9643]

Really? When do I voluntarily pay for any of them? The police department and the military are the machinery of compulsion. You have to be joking to say they are examples of VOLUNTARY socialism.

Yeah, you can't opt out of that. Well, unless one is a mormons or a mennonite.

Of course you can opt out, it is called leaving the country. That is the great thing about this country, nobody is forced to stay here.

That is "opting out" only according to the Stalinist conception of the term.

You pretending to be a libertarian is the ultimate farce.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That is "opting out" only according to the Stalinist conception of the term.

You pretending to be a libertarian is the ultimate farce.

Are you being forced to live in this country or do you freely choose to do so?

 

[Flash]

Socialism requires mandatory participation. Mandatory collectivism, not to mention the massive authoritative bureaucracy necessary to run it.

You just described capitalism.

You are confused.

You don't have to participate in capitalism. If you don't want the products or services created under capitalism then don't buy them.

However, if you live under socialism you are forced to be a slave of the state. There is no option.

All human beings have natural requirements that need to be met to sustain life. If the capitalist economic system is the one in play then we are naturally compelled to participate.

If you don't like somebody producing goods and services for a little profit then go to Venezuela.

I have lived under capitalism all my life. Capitalism has provided me with a damn good job and many goods and services. It provided me with good health care and a great retirement.

On the other hand the filthy ass government has robbed me and put me in slavery and used the money that I earned to give to other people.

The government is the oppression not the corporation that sells ice cream for my grandaughter's birthday party.

 

[Tehon]

You just described capitalism.

You are confused.

You don't have to participate in capitalism. If you don't want the products or services created under capitalism then don't buy them.

However, if you live under socialism you are forced to be a slave of the state. There is no option.

All human beings have natural requirements that need to be met to sustain life. If the capitalist economic system is the one in play then we are naturally compelled to participate.

Nature compels you to eat, not capitalism.

Which is produced and distributed in a capitalist system.

If you don't want to eat food produced by capitalists, you can grow your own.

If you want to be an individual in a socialist system you can grow your own food.

 

[bripat9643]

By its very definition Socialism is not voluntary.

Why could this not be voluntary?

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

What if I say "hooey" on your so-called voluntary socialism, create a firm to build flat screen televisions, and sell them to the members of your "voluntary" socialist community?

I assume you would be asked to leave the community.

So you admit it isn't voluntary.

Thanks for playing, hosebag.

Yes, it would be voluntary. You would have the choice of following the group or leaving, either would be your voluntary choice.

If a mugger pulls a gun on you, he gives you the choice of handing over your wallet or taking a bullet in the stomach.

That's your conception of voluntary.

You're a Stalinist douchebag.

No one is fooled.

 

[Natural Citizen]

That is "opting out" only according to the Stalinist conception of the term.

So, we don't have the right to freedom of voluntary association? Why not? What's so bad about that? What's so bad about legalizing freedom? What's wrong with legalizing the Constitution?

 

[bripat9643]

You are confused.

You don't have to participate in capitalism. If you don't want the products or services created under capitalism then don't buy them.

However, if you live under socialism you are forced to be a slave of the state. There is no option.

All human beings have natural requirements that need to be met to sustain life. If the capitalist economic system is the one in play then we are naturally compelled to participate.

Nature compels you to eat, not capitalism.

Which is produced and distributed in a capitalist system.

If you don't want to eat food produced by capitalists, you can grow your own.

If you want to be an individual in a socialist system you can grow your own food.

On what piece of land?

 

[bripat9643]

That is "opting out" only according to the Stalinist conception of the term.

So, we don't have the right to freedom of voluntary association? Why not? What's so bad about that? What's so bad about legalizing freedom? What's wrong with legalizing the Constitution?

I agree we have the right to voluntary association. Golfing Gator doesn't.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

If a mugger pulls a gun on you, he gives you the choice of handing over your wallet or taking a bullet in the stomach.

That's your conception of voluntary.

You're a Stalinist douchebag.

No one is fooled.

So, you compare living in America to being mugged? That is a new one.

Why not grow a pair of balls and stand up for your values and beliefs. If you really think that it is wrong for you to pay for highway and roads and police and fire protection and the military...then act on those views.

Or, you can just whine about it on an internet forum...

 

[Flash]

You are confused.

You don't have to participate in capitalism. If you don't want the products or services created under capitalism then don't buy them.

However, if you live under socialism you are forced to be a slave of the state. There is no option.

I donlt think we have capitalism. We have economic intervention. We have a planned economy. We have protectionism. We have central economic planning by a central bank. We have inflationism. We have a welfare state. We have a belief in deficit financing.

Can I opt out of that without denuncing citizenship? I do not consent.

If your point is that the filthy government has screwed everything up with interference in the free market then I will agree with you.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That is "opting out" only according to the Stalinist conception of the term.

So, we don't have the right to freedom of voluntary association? Why not? What's so bad about that? What's so bad about legalizing freedom? What's wrong with legalizing the Constitution?

I agree we have the right to voluntary association. Golfing Gator doesn't.

Of course I do, that is what I have been talking about. Fuck you not a very smart person.

 

[Tehon]

Socialism requires mandatory participation. Mandatory collectivism, not to mention the massive authoritative bureaucracy necessary to run it.

You just described capitalism.

You are confused.

You don't have to participate in capitalism. If you don't want the products or services created under capitalism then don't buy them.

However, if you live under socialism you are forced to be a slave of the state. There is no option.

All human beings have natural requirements that need to be met to sustain life. If the capitalist economic system is the one in play then we are naturally compelled to participate.

If you don't like somebody producing goods and products for a little profit then go to Venezuela.

I have lived under capitalism all my life. Capitalism has provided me with a damn good job and many goods and services. It provided me with good health care and a great retirement.

On the other hand the filthy ass government has robbed me and put me in slavery and used the money that I earned to give to other people.

The government is the oppression not the corporation that sells ice cream for my grandaughter's brithday party.

You're not seeing the big picture.

The government that you loath is the handmaid of the ruling class.

You are being robbed blind by the corporations, dipshit. They have you convinced it is the government.

 

[Flash]

You are confused.

You don't have to participate in capitalism. If you don't want the products or services created under capitalism then don't buy them.

However, if you live under socialism you are forced to be a slave of the state. There is no option.

All human beings have natural requirements that need to be met to sustain life. If the capitalist economic system is the one in play then we are naturally compelled to participate.

Nature compels you to eat, not capitalism.

Which is produced and distributed in a capitalist system.

If you don't want to eat food produced by capitalists, you can grow your own.

If you want to be an individual in a socialist system you can grow your own food.

Tell that to the millions of Russian farmers that died of starvation back in the 1920s when the state took all of their food.

 

[Tehon]

All human beings have natural requirements that need to be met to sustain life. If the capitalist economic system is the one in play then we are naturally compelled to participate.

Nature compels you to eat, not capitalism.

Which is produced and distributed in a capitalist system.

If you don't want to eat food produced by capitalists, you can grow your own.

If you want to be an individual in a socialist system you can grow your own food.

On what piece of land?

On the land that you inhabit.

 

[bripat9643]

That is "opting out" only according to the Stalinist conception of the term.

You pretending to be a libertarian is the ultimate farce.

Are you being forced to live in this country or do you freely choose to do so?

Your attempt to claim I agree to government compulsion is reaching into the arena of the absurd. I've encountered this line of argument 1000 times. I'm not going to waste my time on this idiocy