The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[P F Tinmore]

Nothing will help your deep, deep Christian learned hatred of Jews.

Stay hateful of Jews.

Because the aren't any.

 

[rylah]

If it isn't Palestinian, it is foreign.

Exactly why Arab sovereignty is illegal.

There was not to be any country but Palestine. The "Jewish National Home" was Jewish citizenship in Palestine.

This is a self-contradictory statement- "there was not to be a fruit, but an apple"...
Indeed citizenship, in a country defined for Jewish national re-constitution.

Do you want to explain how citizenship
defies national sovereignty?

 

[rylah]

Where does it say that?

Link?

Palestine's borders were defined for Jewish re-constitution

The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations)...The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22...within such boundaries, as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers.

The mandates for Mesopotamia, Syria and Palestine were assigned by the Supreme Court of the League of Nations at its San Remo meeting in April 1920. Negotiations between Great Britain and the United States with regard to the Palestine mandate were successfully concluded in May 1922, and approved by the Council of the League of Nations in July 1922. The mandates for Palestine and Syria came into force simultaneously on September 29, 1922. In this document, the League of Nations recognized the "historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine" and the "grounds for re-constituting their national home in that country."

https://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/guide/pages/the mandate for palestine.aspx
Syria, Mesopotamia, Palestine mandates - San Remo conference (UK, France, Italy, Japan) - Resolution (Non-UN document) (25 April 1920)

(QUESTION)

Do you see any reference in law to Arab sovereignty?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine's borders were defined for Jewish re-constitution

The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations)...The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22...within such boundaries, as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers.

The mandates for Mesopotamia, Syria and Palestine were assigned by the Supreme Court of the League of Nations at its San Remo meeting in April 1920. Negotiations between Great Britain and the United States with regard to the Palestine mandate were successfully concluded in May 1922, and approved by the Council of the League of Nations in July 1922. The mandates for Palestine and Syria came into force simultaneously on September 29, 1922. In this document, the League of Nations recognized the "historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine" and the "grounds for re-constituting their national home in that country."

https://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/guide/pages/the mandate for palestine.aspx
Syria, Mesopotamia, Palestine mandates - San Remo conference (UK, France, Italy, Japan) - Resolution (Non-UN document) (25 April 1920)

(QUESTION)

Do you see any reference in law to Arab sovereignty?

In this document, the League of Nations recognized the "historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine" and the "grounds for re-constituting their national home in that country."

By citizenship in Palestine.

No mention of sovereignty, land transfers, or Jewish state.

 

[rylah]

By citizenship in Palestine.

No mention of sovereignty, land transfers, or Jewish state.

Citizenship in a country defined for Jewish national re-constitution.
with the recognition of the historic title in international law vesting sovereignty.

Now, besides a name Arabs can't even pronounce,
what title do they have to any of the above?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Citizenship in a country defined for Jewish national re-constitution.
with the recognition of the historic title in international law vesting sovereignty.

Now, besides a name Arabs can't even pronounce,
what title do they have to any of the above?

Jewish citizens have sovereignty. The same as the other citizens.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jewish citizens have sovereignty. The same as the other citizens.

Is this an end of the year distraction ploy?

Why are you spreading the question of citizenship on various threads?

Question:

What has happened to the State of Palestine citizenship of all the Christians expelled from the PA territories? Did they even have citizenship to begin with?

You are playing this citizenship card against Israel, except that the proof of the pudding is nowhere to be found.

There was no "State of Palestine" ever. The League of Nations did not create a "State of Palestine" after the Ottomans lost WWI. There has never been a citizen of the State of Palestine, or country of Falestine, and you do know that.

You do know that the Arabs of the Mandate for Palestine wanted to become part of Greater Syria. That is history and you are not going change.

Never, did they dream of creating a country named Palestine, and they never called themselves Palestinians until the Mandate happened and ALL, and I do mean ALL who came to live in that Mandate until 1948, all of them were called Palestinians.
And only because the Jew hating British decided on the name as they meant to keep most of the Mandate for themselves.

Dream on, invent whatever you like. History is stronger than maniacal Jew haters who absolutely MUST change and reverse history in order to destroy Israel.


You fail again.

 

[rylah]

Jewish citizens have sovereignty. The same as the other citizens.

Yes citizenship, individual rights in a Jewish nation state.

For example, as Arabs are citizens of Greece,
where Greek is the national language,
education, naturalization process.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Albert Antebi, forgotten Ottoman Zionist – Point of No Return

www.jewishrefugees.org.uk

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

Unlike the Holocaust, this earlier wave of antisemitic violence has largely been forgotten by history. Yet at the time, it was front-page news. From 1918 to 1921, more than 1,100 pogroms killed over 100,000 Jews in an area that is part of present-day Ukraine. Such large-scale violence led to fears that six million Jewish lives across Europe were at risk from antisemitic hate. Those who made such dire predictions included writer Anatole France; less than 20 years later, these fears were realized.

The story of these fateful pogroms is chronicled in a new book, “In the Midst of Civilized Europe: The Pogroms of 1918-1921 and the Onset of the Holocaust,” by University of Michigan history and Judaic studies professor Jeffrey Veidlinger.

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“It’s terrifying and horrifying,” Veidlinger said. “It takes a toll on you to write [down] that testimony. I’m sure it takes a toll on the reader… It was difficult for me to hear, and probably difficult for them to tell.”

The title phrase comes from France’s fears for the future of European Jewry. The French poet and journalist noted that some of the pogroms occurred at the same time as the peace talks at Versailles tasked with ending World War I. One was perhaps the largest single mass murder of Jews in modern history up to that point — the pogrom of Proskuriv on February 14, 1919, with 911 listed deaths, which Veidlinger estimates is one-third of the actual total.

“I think it was almost genocidal,” Veidlinger said of the Proskuriv pogrom. “It shows how the violence escalated during the very short period of time between November 1918 to February 1919.”

(full article online)

20 years before the Holocaust, pogroms killed 100,000 Jews – then were forgotten

'In the Midst of Civilized Europe' by Jeffrey Veidlinger revisits the brutal violence in 1918-1921 that portended a genocide of Europe's Jews, and was soon overshadowed by it

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

Unlike the Holocaust, this earlier wave of antisemitic violence has largely been forgotten by history. Yet at the time, it was front-page news. From 1918 to 1921, more than 1,100 pogroms killed over 100,000 Jews in an area that is part of present-day Ukraine. Such large-scale violence led to fears that six million Jewish lives across Europe were at risk from antisemitic hate. Those who made such dire predictions included writer Anatole France; less than 20 years later, these fears were realized.

The story of these fateful pogroms is chronicled in a new book, “In the Midst of Civilized Europe: The Pogroms of 1918-1921 and the Onset of the Holocaust,” by University of Michigan history and Judaic studies professor Jeffrey Veidlinger.

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“It’s terrifying and horrifying,” Veidlinger said. “It takes a toll on you to write [down] that testimony. I’m sure it takes a toll on the reader… It was difficult for me to hear, and probably difficult for them to tell.”

The title phrase comes from France’s fears for the future of European Jewry. The French poet and journalist noted that some of the pogroms occurred at the same time as the peace talks at Versailles tasked with ending World War I. One was perhaps the largest single mass murder of Jews in modern history up to that point — the pogrom of Proskuriv on February 14, 1919, with 911 listed deaths, which Veidlinger estimates is one-third of the actual total.

“I think it was almost genocidal,” Veidlinger said of the Proskuriv pogrom. “It shows how the violence escalated during the very short period of time between November 1918 to February 1919.”

(full article online)

20 years before the Holocaust, pogroms killed 100,000 Jews – then were forgotten

'In the Midst of Civilized Europe' by Jeffrey Veidlinger revisits the brutal violence in 1918-1921 that portended a genocide of Europe's Jews, and was soon overshadowed by it

www.timesofisrael.com

What does that have to do with Israel/Palestine?

 

[Sixties Fan]

What does that have to do with Israel/Palestine?

People are endlessly saying that Israel only exists because of the Holocaust .

This more than proves that Israel came to exist because
of massacres like these ones.

1,100 pogroms in 3 years. Are those enough for you?

 

[P F Tinmore]

People are endlessly saying that Israel only exists because of the Holocaust .

This more than proves that Israel came to exist because
of massacres like these ones.

1,100 pogroms in 3 years. Are those enough for you?

Palestine had nothing to with that.

 

[rylah]

What does that have to do with Israel/Palestine?

The Arab pogroms that earlier initiated Zionism,
were following a very similar ideology
against the minorities.

Damascus affair - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arab pogroms that initiated the Zionist response, were no different.

Uhhh, the Zionists went to Palestine.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Uhhh, the Zionists went to Palestine.

Yes. They went to the only place they had an indigenous right to go to and reconstruct their nation. The Jewish Nation ON the Jewish homeland.

See how it worked out?

Jewish People of the Jewish Nation on their Jewish Homeland

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes. They went to the only place they had an indigenous right to go to and reconstruct their nation. The Jewish Nation ON the Jewish homeland.

See how it worked out?

Jewish People of the Jewish Nation on their Jewish Homeland

You are a hoot.

And start a war that continues for over a hundred years.

Good plan.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are a hoot.

And start a war that continues for over a hundred years.

Good plan.

They've been kicking Arab ass for a long time.
Is it 100 years already?

 

[P F Tinmore]

They've been kicking Arab ass for a long time.
Is it 100 years already?

So, do you think Israel should prematurely claim victory when they have not won yet?