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[Sixties Fan]

The 1948 Arab peace plan: First destroy Israel, then we'll talk ​

From AP/Palestine Post, June 17, 1948:




This is exactly what the Palestinian leaders have been proposing as well, many decades later. They just couch the destruction of the Jewish state in terms of "right to return" and releasing thousands of terrorists from prison, two of the unwavering demands by the Palestinian Authority leadership since 2000.

The intent has not changed one bit since 1948: their aim remains to abolish the Jewish state. They just learned that if they call the planned ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region "human rights" then they can attract many latent "progressive" antisemites to their position.

Notice there is no hint of compromise for peace.

Also note that they don't say that they want an Arab state there, or anything about the "rights of Palestinians." The number one demand is no Israel, and everything else is secondary.

Those haven't changed in 75 years, either.

The 1948 Arab peace plan: First destroy Israel, then we'll talk

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

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[P F Tinmore]

The 1948 Arab peace plan: First destroy Israel, then we'll talk​

From AP/Palestine Post, June 17, 1948:




This is exactly what the Palestinian leaders have been proposing as well, many decades later. They just couch the destruction of the Jewish state in terms of "right to return" and releasing thousands of terrorists from prison, two of the unwavering demands by the Palestinian Authority leadership since 2000.

The intent has not changed one bit since 1948: their aim remains to abolish the Jewish state. They just learned that if they call the planned ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region "human rights" then they can attract many latent "progressive" antisemites to their position.

Notice there is no hint of compromise for peace.

Also note that they don't say that they want an Arab state there, or anything about the "rights of Palestinians." The number one demand is no Israel, and everything else is secondary.

Those haven't changed in 75 years, either.

The 1948 Arab peace plan: First destroy Israel, then we'll talk

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

What other people would agree to give half of their country to colonial settlers?

Give me some names.

 

[MartyNYC]

What other people would agree to give half of their country to colonial settlers?

Give me some names.

Whose country? You still don’t know since first posting the same stupid shit in 2009?

 

[MartyNYC]

What other people would agree to give half of their country to colonial settlers?

Give me some names.

Even the Islamic world knows whose country it really is?

 

[MartyNYC]

What other people would agree to give half of their country to colonial settlers?

Give me some names.

Who are the settlers? Bosnians aren’t even Arabs. Bosnia isn’t even in the Middle East, it’s in Europe. And, Bushnak isn’t really an Arabic name…

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the settlers? Bosnians aren’t even Arabs. Bosnia isn’t even in the Middle East, it’s in Europe. And, Bushnak isn’t really an Arabic name…


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Is deflection all you got?

 

[MartyNYC]

Is deflection all you got?

Bosnian Palestinians, named Bushnak. Not very indigenous.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Palestinian media today celebrating the murderous 1929 Arab pogroms against Jews​

Palestinian media are celebrating the murderous pogroms that targeted unarmed and innocent Jews in Jerusalem, Hebron, Safed and elsewhere in 1929.

June 17th was the anniversary of the 1930 British execution of three Arabs who were convicted of murdering Jewish civilians during the pogroms.

Originally, the British court found 25 Arabs guilty and deserving of the death penalty; 22 of them had their sentences commuted to life imprisonment. The three who remained were clearly found guilty of multiple murders and premeditation, two of them in Hebron and one in Safed.

The three murderers are being hailed as heroes in Palestinian media, in print and on video, and the murders of Jews are being called the beginning of the "Al Buraq Revolution."

The Palestine Bulletin in 1930 noted that they were hailed as heroes then, too, with an Arab Execuitve Committee notice that looks strikingly like those of Hamas and Islamic Jihad today.

Strikingly, many prominent Jews - including Einstein - lobbied against the death penalty for the murderers, on principle against the death penalty altogether.

Palestinian media today celebrating the murderous 1929 Arab pogroms against Jews

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

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[P F Tinmore]

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”

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Virtually all of Palestine's cities and villages predate the Ottoman Empire. Many have histories going back thousands of years. All of the previous citizens (Muslims, Christians, Jews, and others) became Palestinians. The nationality was territorial not religious.

 

[rylah]

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

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Virtually all of Palestine's cities and villages predate the Ottoman Empire. Many have histories going back thousands of years. All of the previous citizens (Muslims, Christians, Jews, and others) became Palestinians. The nationality was territorial not religious.

Do you mean dumping the same copy-paste for 13 years,
makes now the Treaty of Lausanne magically mention 'Palestine'?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do you mean dumping the same copy-paste for 13 years,
makes now the Treaty of Lausanne magically mention 'Palestine'?

It didn't name any of the new states.

Do you have a point?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do you mean dumping the same copy-paste for 13 years,
makes now the Treaty of Lausanne magically mention 'Palestine'?

I follow documentation and international law.

You follow Israeli bullshit.

The fact is that Palestine was created as a state.
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Article 4​

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one does not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

Montevideo Convention - Wikisource, the free online library

en.wikisource.org

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Palestinian rights according to the UN.

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

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Israel illegally violates all of these rights. That is why the Palestinians call for Israel to follow international law.

 

[Hollie]

What other people would agree to give half of their country to colonial settlers?

Give me some names.

Give the name of the country occupied by the Arabs-Moslems.

 

[Hollie]

I follow documentation and international law.

You follow Israeli bullshit.

The fact is that Palestine was created as a state.
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Article 4​

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one does not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

Montevideo Convention - Wikisource, the free online library

en.wikisource.org

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Palestinian rights according to the UN.

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

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Israel illegally violates all of these rights. That is why the Palestinians call for Israel to follow international law.

There is no fact that a country called Pal’istan ever existed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How Colonialism Created Israel w/ Prof. Nazia Kazi​

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no fact that a country called Pal’istan ever existed.

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is said:

• That five Arab armies attacked Israel in the 1948 war. Not true.
• That the 1948 war was the cause of the Palestinian refugees. Not true.
• That the Arabs lost the 1948 war. Not true.

The Nakba and the 1948 war were two separate events.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I follow documentation and international law.

You follow Israeli bullshit.

The fact is that Palestine was created as a state.
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Article 4​

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one does not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

Montevideo Convention - Wikisource, the free online library

en.wikisource.org

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Palestinian rights according to the UN.

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

------------------
Israel illegally violates all of these rights. That is why the Palestinians call for Israel to follow international law.

Palestine is a state. No foreign power has the authority to change that.

 

[MartyNYC]

Palestine is a state. No foreign power has the authority to change that.

US does not recognize any state of palestine.