The next Republican President hasn't been born yet

[easyt65]

1. As has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread, these traditional values are rapidly fading away, new world and all of that.

I don't feel comfortable claiming them as White Values today because I don't know how many White Americans today share them.

I wish I could. And if I could, it wouldn't be racist to want my values and cultural perspective to be the foundation of policy. That is what all political speech and action attempts.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State.

1. Traditional values are NOT 'Fading Away'. They are being attacked, assaulted, trampled, and replaced with liberals / socialist ideology and 'values' (or the lack thereof).

The Establishment GOP did not hold the same belief / conviction in the Conservative values with which they were entrusted by their party / constituents to defend, and so they did NOT defend them. Instead they focused solely on not offending anyone and keeping their own jobs. The Conservative values that are under siege and are being replaced have had no 'champion' for several years now but instead 'generals' who were more interested in LOOKING GOOD WHILE SURRENDERING than fighting for their party's core values.

2. Cowardly sucking up to, rolling over for, and refusing to put up a fight against the Liberal Progressive Extremists because of having absolutely NO conviction, NO heart-felt belief in the core values on which their party is SUPPOSED to be based.

 

[Correll]

There will no one-party state, Correll, you are scared of a chimera that does not exist.

The modern GOP is not the repository of all that is good with America. We ended that in 1994 and after.

A new America is coming, and, yes, the America of the 1950s is disappearing quickly. Get used to it.

You claim there will be no One Party State.

Yet you offer no criticism of my reasoning other than to call it racialist.

Do you think that Blacks will suddenly stop being a voting bloc for the dems? If so why and when.

Do you think Hispanics will suddenly stop being a voting bloc for the dems? If so why and when.

Because otherwise, One Party State.

(And don't just say the GOP will "adapt". That's a talking point, not an answer.)

One, it is racist, because you are hiding "traditional" behind actually saying white Christian conservative values: you don't have the stones to say the truth. Two, Saying the GOP must adapt is the truth, not a talking point. Yours are the talking points: what one party state, for instance.

1. As has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread, these traditional values are rapidly fading away, new world and all of that.

I don't feel comfortable claiming them as White Values today because I don't know how many White Americans today share them.

I wish I could. And if I could, it wouldn't be racist to want my values and cultural perspective to be the foundation of policy. That is what all political speech and action attempts.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State

I think Republicans already have it. It is the same thing they have been harping on for decades....Jobs

They claim to be the party that creates jobs and prosperity. If they can show it, minorities will vote for them

Reagan had the longest economic boom in peace time up to that point in time, and it did not help him, nor Bush with the Black vote.

Do you want to try again?

 

[Correll]

I saw a great example in the last Republican debate

Trump had been criticizing Bush for answering a question in spanish. He gave the typical rightwing "This is America, speak English damn it"

Marco Rubio gave an elegant response in telling about his grandfather who was a lifelong Republican. He told how his grandfather struggled to speak and understand english but was more comfortable when getting information in spanish. Rubio told of how he would talk politics with his grandfather in spanish and how proud his grandfather was to be in America.

This needs to be the direction of the Republican party, not pandering to the crowd who screams about "Press 1 for english"

The crowd that screams about "Pressing 1 for English" knows that language is one of the few bonds that hold America together.

Losing that will reduce our social cohesion.

It is right to be against that.

That's fascist.

 

[easyt65]

"We have to realize that the US was and is bad, and needs to be "radially transformed".

1. Thank you for that assessment of the United States, Barak Obama SENIOR (and Junior).

2. 'Radical Transformation' from the nation and established government created by and entrusted to us by the Founding Fathers, ignoring the Constitution, refusing to enforce the Rule of Law and making up new laws as one sees fit as they go, and putting one's political self and party above what is best for the nation even if it means personal sacrifice is required, is EXACTLY what has brought this nation to its knees, unfortunately not in prayer but in subjugation, where it is now.

 

[rightwinger]

There will no one-party state, Correll, you are scared of a chimera that does not exist.

The modern GOP is not the repository of all that is good with America. We ended that in 1994 and after.

A new America is coming, and, yes, the America of the 1950s is disappearing quickly. Get used to it.

You claim there will be no One Party State.

Yet you offer no criticism of my reasoning other than to call it racialist.

Do you think that Blacks will suddenly stop being a voting bloc for the dems? If so why and when.

Do you think Hispanics will suddenly stop being a voting bloc for the dems? If so why and when.

Because otherwise, One Party State.

(And don't just say the GOP will "adapt". That's a talking point, not an answer.)

One, it is racist, because you are hiding "traditional" behind actually saying white Christian conservative values: you don't have the stones to say the truth. Two, Saying the GOP must adapt is the truth, not a talking point. Yours are the talking points: what one party state, for instance.

1. As has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread, these traditional values are rapidly fading away, new world and all of that.

I don't feel comfortable claiming them as White Values today because I don't know how many White Americans today share them.

I wish I could. And if I could, it wouldn't be racist to want my values and cultural perspective to be the foundation of policy. That is what all political speech and action attempts.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State

I think Republicans already have it. It is the same thing they have been harping on for decades....Jobs

They claim to be the party that creates jobs and prosperity. If they can show it, minorities will vote for them

Reagan had the longest economic boom in peace time up to that point in time, and it did not help him, nor Bush with the Black vote.

Do you want to try again?

Reagan gave us short term benefits for long term suffering

Reagans supply side policies were instrumental in the loss of wages and jobs in the lower middle class. I did not see any improvements in jobs or prosperity in lower class neighborhoods

I guess trickle down never got that far

 

[Davros]

I saw a great example in the last Republican debate

Trump had been criticizing Bush for answering a question in spanish. He gave the typical rightwing "This is America, speak English damn it"

Marco Rubio gave an elegant response in telling about his grandfather who was a lifelong Republican. He told how his grandfather struggled to speak and understand english but was more comfortable when getting information in spanish. Rubio told of how he would talk politics with his grandfather in spanish and how proud his grandfather was to be in America.

This needs to be the direction of the Republican party, not pandering to the crowd who screams about "Press 1 for english"

The crowd that screams about "Pressing 1 for English" knows that language is one of the few bonds that hold America together.

Losing that will reduce our social cohesion.

It is right to be against that.

That's fascist.

Your extreme reaction proves how fascist it is.

 

[Correll]

You claim there will be no One Party State.

Yet you offer no criticism of my reasoning other than to call it racialist.

Do you think that Blacks will suddenly stop being a voting bloc for the dems? If so why and when.

Do you think Hispanics will suddenly stop being a voting bloc for the dems? If so why and when.

Because otherwise, One Party State.

(And don't just say the GOP will "adapt". That's a talking point, not an answer.)

One, it is racist, because you are hiding "traditional" behind actually saying white Christian conservative values: you don't have the stones to say the truth. Two, Saying the GOP must adapt is the truth, not a talking point. Yours are the talking points: what one party state, for instance.

1. As has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread, these traditional values are rapidly fading away, new world and all of that.

I don't feel comfortable claiming them as White Values today because I don't know how many White Americans today share them.

I wish I could. And if I could, it wouldn't be racist to want my values and cultural perspective to be the foundation of policy. That is what all political speech and action attempts.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State

I think Republicans already have it. It is the same thing they have been harping on for decades....Jobs

They claim to be the party that creates jobs and prosperity. If they can show it, minorities will vote for them

Reagan had the longest economic boom in peace time up to that point in time, and it did not help him, nor Bush with the Black vote.

Do you want to try again?

Reagan gave us short term benefits for long term suffering

Reagans supply side policies were instrumental in the loss of wages and jobs in the lower middle class. I did not see any improvements in jobs or prosperity in lower class neighborhoods

I guess trickle down never got that far

Your opinion is noted and expected.

It is completely expected that many liberal blacks would agree.

That fact that there was NO SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT in the voting numbers shows that your claim the if the GOP could change policy on "jobs" that that would be an "adaptation" that would make them competitive with the black vote

is wrong.

 

[Correll]

I saw a great example in the last Republican debate

Trump had been criticizing Bush for answering a question in spanish. He gave the typical rightwing "This is America, speak English damn it"

Marco Rubio gave an elegant response in telling about his grandfather who was a lifelong Republican. He told how his grandfather struggled to speak and understand english but was more comfortable when getting information in spanish. Rubio told of how he would talk politics with his grandfather in spanish and how proud his grandfather was to be in America.

This needs to be the direction of the Republican party, not pandering to the crowd who screams about "Press 1 for english"

The crowd that screams about "Pressing 1 for English" knows that language is one of the few bonds that hold America together.

Losing that will reduce our social cohesion.

It is right to be against that.

That's fascist.

Your extreme reaction proves how fascist it is.

Sure it does.



Seeing a value in unity is NOT fascist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The only way you can get cultural unity is through authoritarian force: ie, fascism.

 

[Correll]

The only way you can get cultural unity is through authoritarian force: ie, fascism.

Nonsense. America has been demonstrated plenty of unity in the past without fascism.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The only way you can get cultural unity is through authoritarian force: ie, fascism.

Nonsense. America has been demonstrated plenty of unity in the past without fascism.

The cultural unity to which you refer was in reality a top down unity of white Christian evangelicalism and mainstream Protestant values supposed to be imitated by everyone else.

Those days are gone. Forever.

 

[rightwinger]

One, it is racist, because you are hiding "traditional" behind actually saying white Christian conservative values: you don't have the stones to say the truth. Two, Saying the GOP must adapt is the truth, not a talking point. Yours are the talking points: what one party state, for instance.

1. As has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread, these traditional values are rapidly fading away, new world and all of that.

I don't feel comfortable claiming them as White Values today because I don't know how many White Americans today share them.

I wish I could. And if I could, it wouldn't be racist to want my values and cultural perspective to be the foundation of policy. That is what all political speech and action attempts.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State

I think Republicans already have it. It is the same thing they have been harping on for decades....Jobs

They claim to be the party that creates jobs and prosperity. If they can show it, minorities will vote for them

Reagan had the longest economic boom in peace time up to that point in time, and it did not help him, nor Bush with the Black vote.

Do you want to try again?

Reagan gave us short term benefits for long term suffering

Reagans supply side policies were instrumental in the loss of wages and jobs in the lower middle class. I did not see any improvements in jobs or prosperity in lower class neighborhoods

I guess trickle down never got that far

Your opinion is noted and expected.

It is completely expected that many liberal blacks would agree.

That fact that there was NO SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT in the voting numbers shows that your claim the if the GOP could change policy on "jobs" that that would be an "adaptation" that would make them competitive with the black vote

is wrong.

Show me where the economic situation in poor and minority neighborhoods improved under Reagans policies

Look. if Republicans want the minority vote they need to promote and identify specific employment they have brought to minority neighborhoods. Expecting poor people to buy the Republican "rising tide" and "trickle down" rhetoric is not going to work

 

[Conservative65]

1. As has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread, these traditional values are rapidly fading away, new world and all of that.

I don't feel comfortable claiming them as White Values today because I don't know how many White Americans today share them.

I wish I could. And if I could, it wouldn't be racist to want my values and cultural perspective to be the foundation of policy. That is what all political speech and action attempts.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State

I think Republicans already have it. It is the same thing they have been harping on for decades....Jobs

They claim to be the party that creates jobs and prosperity. If they can show it, minorities will vote for them

Reagan had the longest economic boom in peace time up to that point in time, and it did not help him, nor Bush with the Black vote.

Do you want to try again?

Reagan gave us short term benefits for long term suffering

Reagans supply side policies were instrumental in the loss of wages and jobs in the lower middle class. I did not see any improvements in jobs or prosperity in lower class neighborhoods

I guess trickle down never got that far

Your opinion is noted and expected.

It is completely expected that many liberal blacks would agree.

That fact that there was NO SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT in the voting numbers shows that your claim the if the GOP could change policy on "jobs" that that would be an "adaptation" that would make them competitive with the black vote

is wrong.

Show me where the economic situation in poor and minority neighborhoods improved under Reagans policies

Look. if Republicans want the minority vote they need to promote and identify specific employment they have brought to minority neighborhoods. Expecting poor people to buy the Republican "rising tide" and "trickle down" rhetoric is not going to work

I can show you where minorities haven't improved under Obama policies. Blacks who voted overwhelmingly for someone that is half their kind still suffer on a greater level than other groups.

 

[JakeStarkey]

[I can show you where minorities haven't improved under Obama policies. Blacks who voted overwhelmingly for someone that is half their kind still suffer on a greater level than other groups.

Than offer something the much fuck better!

 

[Conservative65]

[I can show you where minorities haven't improved under Obama policies. Blacks who voted overwhelmingly for someone that is half their kind still suffer on a greater level than other groups.

Than offer something the much fuck better!

Do you mean better than pandering to a bunch of people who would rather have it handed to them than work for it? I have. Either they provide it for themselves like the rest of us, get one of you bleeding hearts to do it with your money, or do without.

 

[Correll]

The only way you can get cultural unity is through authoritarian force: ie, fascism.

Nonsense. America has been demonstrated plenty of unity in the past without fascism.

The cultural unity to which you refer was in reality a top down unity of white Christian evangelicalism and mainstream Protestant values supposed to be imitated by everyone else.

Those days are gone. Forever.

Mmm, most blacks and browns are Christian. That should be an unifying force.

Which Protestant values cannot now or ever be popular beyond the Protestant population?



Strong work ethnic?

Here's a link, tell me what can't work today, please.



Protestant culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[rightwinger]

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State

I think Republicans already have it. It is the same thing they have been harping on for decades....Jobs

They claim to be the party that creates jobs and prosperity. If they can show it, minorities will vote for them

Reagan had the longest economic boom in peace time up to that point in time, and it did not help him, nor Bush with the Black vote.

Do you want to try again?

Reagan gave us short term benefits for long term suffering

Reagans supply side policies were instrumental in the loss of wages and jobs in the lower middle class. I did not see any improvements in jobs or prosperity in lower class neighborhoods

I guess trickle down never got that far

Your opinion is noted and expected.

It is completely expected that many liberal blacks would agree.

That fact that there was NO SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT in the voting numbers shows that your claim the if the GOP could change policy on "jobs" that that would be an "adaptation" that would make them competitive with the black vote

is wrong.

Show me where the economic situation in poor and minority neighborhoods improved under Reagans policies

Look. if Republicans want the minority vote they need to promote and identify specific employment they have brought to minority neighborhoods. Expecting poor people to buy the Republican "rising tide" and "trickle down" rhetoric is not going to work

I can show you where minorities haven't improved under Obama policies. Blacks who voted overwhelmingly for someone that is half their kind still suffer on a greater level than other groups.

How does that improve the chances of a black voting for Republican?

If Republicans want the black or Hispanic vote they need to give specific examples of how their policies will improve their lives

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most black and browns are not white evangelical or apostolic or fundamentalist Christians, and they normally do not attend such congregations if they do share those sects' beliefs. How many minorities are in your congregation? We have about 15 to 20 %, and that is a very high % for the social con Christians in this area. Understand that mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism do not think of social con Christians as being mainstream.

They are not going to come to you: you will have to go to them.

 

[Correll]

1. As has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread, these traditional values are rapidly fading away, new world and all of that.

I don't feel comfortable claiming them as White Values today because I don't know how many White Americans today share them.

I wish I could. And if I could, it wouldn't be racist to want my values and cultural perspective to be the foundation of policy. That is what all political speech and action attempts.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State.

2. So, give me the biggest single policy the GOP needs to shit can to, <ahem> adapt, that will make us competitive with minority votes. That will prevent the One Party State

I think Republicans already have it. It is the same thing they have been harping on for decades....Jobs

They claim to be the party that creates jobs and prosperity. If they can show it, minorities will vote for them

Reagan had the longest economic boom in peace time up to that point in time, and it did not help him, nor Bush with the Black vote.

Do you want to try again?

Reagan gave us short term benefits for long term suffering

Reagans supply side policies were instrumental in the loss of wages and jobs in the lower middle class. I did not see any improvements in jobs or prosperity in lower class neighborhoods

I guess trickle down never got that far

Your opinion is noted and expected.

It is completely expected that many liberal blacks would agree.

That fact that there was NO SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT in the voting numbers shows that your claim the if the GOP could change policy on "jobs" that that would be an "adaptation" that would make them competitive with the black vote

is wrong.

Show me where the economic situation in poor and minority neighborhoods improved under Reagans policies

Look. if Republicans want the minority vote they need to promote and identify specific employment they have brought to minority neighborhoods. Expecting poor people to buy the Republican "rising tide" and "trickle down" rhetoric is not going to work

Why?

If we had seen some movement on the votes of the Black Middle Class, which grew nicely under Reagan, I would accept that as evidence that your idea that the Republicans could compete for black votes if they offered "jobs".

But nothing.

HUGE economic boom with vast improvements for the nation as a whole that led to a record re-election landslide and nothing from the Black community.


Why was the black community so out of step?

It's not like they weren't benefiting.

The good that Reagan did for black America | The San Diego Union-Tribune


"n fact, black social scientist Bart Landry estimated that that upwardly mobile cohort grew by a third under Reagan's watch, from 3.6 million in 1980 to 4.8 million in 1988. His definition was based on employment in white-collar jobs as well as on income levels."


"All told, the middle class constituted more than 40 percent of black households by the end of Reagan's presidency, which was larger than the size of black working class, or the black poor."

 

[Correll]

Most black and browns are not white evangelical or apostolic or fundamentalist Christians, and they normally do not attend such congregations if they do share those sects' beliefs. How many minorities are in your congregation? We have about 15 to 20 %, and that is a very high % for the social con Christians in this area. Understand that mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism do not think of social con Christians as being mainstream.

They are not going to come to you: you will have to go to them.

NOt sure what you mean, go to them.

What issues are evangelicals are so out of the mainstream on that you think that the US cannot be united.