The next Republican President hasn't been born yet

[rightwinger]

Obama is doing quite well for himself

The fact that conservatives are outraged over him shows he is doing what he was elected to do

So, how is it that Republicans can't get the same credit.

They were elected to stop Obama. They are doing that on many fronts.

Far left morons on this board piss and moan about that all the time.

Have they quit building Highways ?

Has the entire school (and I use that term loosely) system shut down ?

Do people still get their Social Security checks. ?

It is sad that is what is left of the once Grand Old Party

They get elected to "stop Obama". What happened to balancing the budget, providing jobs, building infrastructure?

Now, obstruction is the best they can hope for

What's sad is the system in general.

What can be said about the GOP can be said about the democrats.

They own 30 statehouses and they seem to be doing pretty good at it. So are democractic governors.

Why is it that only the WH can "provide" jobs. As nears as I can tell, they've never been very good at it (unless you are talking IRS auditors).

That's odd

Republicans run on the theory they are the party that provides jobs, is fiscally responsible and generate wealth

Now all they can offer is "stop Obama"

That is federal republicans. They are no better or worse than the other morons at the federal level.

You seemed to miss the point.....Both republican and democratic governors are creating jobs (or maybe the UE argument has to be revisited).

All levels of government create jobs. All invest in our communities.

 

[rightwinger]

Obama is doing quite well for himself

The fact that conservatives are outraged over him shows he is doing what he was elected to do

Indeed. The ahole community is satisfied. More free stuff is on the way.

What you call "free stuff" is doing things to help the American people

Democrats want to spend money on things like free college and low cost healthcare
Republicans want to spend money on building a wall

Its not free, winger. Unless you can get college profs to work for no pay, janitors and administrators to work for no pay, and the untility companies to provide free gas, water and electricity, college will never be free.

Someone has to pay. What exactly is wrong with the people using something being the ones to pay for it? Do you make your car payments, mortgage payments, etc? Or should the collective be paying them for you?

Where does this socialist bullshit end?

as to your stupid 'wall' comment. the primary duty of the federal government is national security. National security includes enforcing our borders. With no borders we have no country.

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

How exactly would free college "help society" ? Why not free trade school to educate plumbers, electricians, and car mechanics? We need people with those skills and those jobs pay very well.

All of the free college proposals also include trade schools. Having an educated workforce helps us compete globally. It helps society and helps our employers by providing a larger pool of trained employees.





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[Redfish]

Indeed. The ahole community is satisfied. More free stuff is on the way.

What you call "free stuff" is doing things to help the American people

Democrats want to spend money on things like free college and low cost healthcare
Republicans want to spend money on building a wall

Its not free, winger. Unless you can get college profs to work for no pay, janitors and administrators to work for no pay, and the untility companies to provide free gas, water and electricity, college will never be free.

Someone has to pay. What exactly is wrong with the people using something being the ones to pay for it? Do you make your car payments, mortgage payments, etc? Or should the collective be paying them for you?

Where does this socialist bullshit end?

as to your stupid 'wall' comment. the primary duty of the federal government is national security. National security includes enforcing our borders. With no borders we have no country.

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

Yes, we do. 40% of it is borrowed. We are currently spending 140% of what we collect in tax revenue. Our national debt is increasing at the rate of hundreds of millions PER DAY. This is not fiscal responsibility, its fiscal lunacy. But you dems and libs want more of it.

Yes, there is plenty of waste in DOD, as well as every other govt agency. Instead of whining for more giveaways, why not bitch about eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse?

you libs say "tax the rich". We could take 100% of the income and wealth of the top 5% and it wouldn't come close to balancing the budget.

I've spent over 35 years working for the DoD. It is not so much waste fraud and abuse as having a modern military is very very expensive

What costs so much is the global mission we have assumed. We are the worlds policeman, we keep the seas safe, we project power to protect our global markets

We spend 41 cents of every military dollar in the world. We can adjust that without jeopardizing our safety

We agree on the world's police force idea. We cannot and should not assume that role. But, if we reduce our international presense it will be replaced by China and/or Russia and they will become the ones deciding which rulers stay in power and which ones are destroyed. Its a delicate balance.

But we are talking about the entire federal budget. Our entitlement spending, welfare spending, etc are much more budget destroying than the DOD budget.

How much do you think is wasted every day providing benefits for people who entered this country illegally?

Why do you condone illegal entry into our country?

 

[Redfish]

So, how is it that Republicans can't get the same credit.

They were elected to stop Obama. They are doing that on many fronts.

Far left morons on this board piss and moan about that all the time.

Have they quit building Highways ?

Has the entire school (and I use that term loosely) system shut down ?

Do people still get their Social Security checks. ?

It is sad that is what is left of the once Grand Old Party

They get elected to "stop Obama". What happened to balancing the budget, providing jobs, building infrastructure?

Now, obstruction is the best they can hope for

What's sad is the system in general.

What can be said about the GOP can be said about the democrats.

They own 30 statehouses and they seem to be doing pretty good at it. So are democractic governors.

Why is it that only the WH can "provide" jobs. As nears as I can tell, they've never been very good at it (unless you are talking IRS auditors).

That's odd

Republicans run on the theory they are the party that provides jobs, is fiscally responsible and generate wealth

Now all they can offer is "stop Obama"

That is federal republicans. They are no better or worse than the other morons at the federal level.

You seemed to miss the point.....Both republican and democratic governors are creating jobs (or maybe the UE argument has to be revisited).

All levels of government create jobs. All invest in our communities.

Wrong, they spend money collected from citizens. Spending is not investing.

 

[Redfish]

Indeed. The ahole community is satisfied. More free stuff is on the way.

What you call "free stuff" is doing things to help the American people

Democrats want to spend money on things like free college and low cost healthcare
Republicans want to spend money on building a wall

Its not free, winger. Unless you can get college profs to work for no pay, janitors and administrators to work for no pay, and the untility companies to provide free gas, water and electricity, college will never be free.

Someone has to pay. What exactly is wrong with the people using something being the ones to pay for it? Do you make your car payments, mortgage payments, etc? Or should the collective be paying them for you?

Where does this socialist bullshit end?

as to your stupid 'wall' comment. the primary duty of the federal government is national security. National security includes enforcing our borders. With no borders we have no country.

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

How exactly would free college "help society" ? Why not free trade school to educate plumbers, electricians, and car mechanics? We need people with those skills and those jobs pay very well.

All of the free college proposals also include trade schools. Having an educated workforce helps us compete globally. It helps society and helps our employers by providing a larger pool of trained employees.

My issue is with the word "free". Its not free to society.

 

[rightwinger]

What you call "free stuff" is doing things to help the American people

Democrats want to spend money on things like free college and low cost healthcare
Republicans want to spend money on building a wall

Its not free, winger. Unless you can get college profs to work for no pay, janitors and administrators to work for no pay, and the untility companies to provide free gas, water and electricity, college will never be free.

Someone has to pay. What exactly is wrong with the people using something being the ones to pay for it? Do you make your car payments, mortgage payments, etc? Or should the collective be paying them for you?

Where does this socialist bullshit end?

as to your stupid 'wall' comment. the primary duty of the federal government is national security. National security includes enforcing our borders. With no borders we have no country.

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

Yes, we do. 40% of it is borrowed. We are currently spending 140% of what we collect in tax revenue. Our national debt is increasing at the rate of hundreds of millions PER DAY. This is not fiscal responsibility, its fiscal lunacy. But you dems and libs want more of it.

Yes, there is plenty of waste in DOD, as well as every other govt agency. Instead of whining for more giveaways, why not bitch about eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse?

you libs say "tax the rich". We could take 100% of the income and wealth of the top 5% and it wouldn't come close to balancing the budget.

I've spent over 35 years working for the DoD. It is not so much waste fraud and abuse as having a modern military is very very expensive

What costs so much is the global mission we have assumed. We are the worlds policeman, we keep the seas safe, we project power to protect our global markets

We spend 41 cents of every military dollar in the world. We can adjust that without jeopardizing our safety

We agree on the world's police force idea. We cannot and should not assume that role. But, if we reduce our international presense it will be replaced by China and/or Russia and they will become the ones deciding which rulers stay in power and which ones are destroyed. Its a delicate balance.

But we are talking about the entire federal budget. Our entitlement spending, welfare spending, etc are much more budget destroying than the DOD budget.

How much do you think is wasted every day providing benefits for people who entered this country illegally?

Why do you condone illegal entry into our country?

We spend money on our military in response to a global threat. Since the end of the Cold War, that global threat has decreased. Our military spending has not
The same applies to building a wall. I do not think the threat posed to our country justifies the expense of building and policing a wall

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Indeed. The ahole community is satisfied. More free stuff is on the way.

What you call "free stuff" is doing things to help the American people

Democrats want to spend money on things like free college and low cost healthcare
Republicans want to spend money on building a wall

Its not free, winger. Unless you can get college profs to work for no pay, janitors and administrators to work for no pay, and the untility companies to provide free gas, water and electricity, college will never be free.

Someone has to pay. What exactly is wrong with the people using something being the ones to pay for it? Do you make your car payments, mortgage payments, etc? Or should the collective be paying them for you?

Where does this socialist bullshit end?

as to your stupid 'wall' comment. the primary duty of the federal government is national security. National security includes enforcing our borders. With no borders we have no country.

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

Yes, we do. 40% of it is borrowed. We are currently spending 140% of what we collect in tax revenue. Our national debt is increasing at the rate of hundreds of millions PER DAY. This is not fiscal responsibility, its fiscal lunacy. But you dems and libs want more of it.

Yes, there is plenty of waste in DOD, as well as every other govt agency. Instead of whining for more giveaways, why not bitch about eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse?

you libs say "tax the rich". We could take 100% of the income and wealth of the top 5% and it wouldn't come close to balancing the budget.

I've spent over 35 years working for the DoD. It is not so much waste fraud and abuse as having a modern military is very very expensive

What costs so much is the global mission we have assumed. We are the worlds policeman, we keep the seas safe, we project power to protect our global markets

We spend 41 cents of every military dollar in the world. We can adjust that without jeopardizing our safety

I would agree.

It would be great if any candidate from any party would lead a meaningful discussion in this regard.

It's not just about cutting spending. It is about deciding what role we really want to play and how strongly we feel we have to shepherd the rest of the world.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

What you call "free stuff" is doing things to help the American people

Democrats want to spend money on things like free college and low cost healthcare
Republicans want to spend money on building a wall

Its not free, winger. Unless you can get college profs to work for no pay, janitors and administrators to work for no pay, and the untility companies to provide free gas, water and electricity, college will never be free.

Someone has to pay. What exactly is wrong with the people using something being the ones to pay for it? Do you make your car payments, mortgage payments, etc? Or should the collective be paying them for you?

Where does this socialist bullshit end?

as to your stupid 'wall' comment. the primary duty of the federal government is national security. National security includes enforcing our borders. With no borders we have no country.

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

How exactly would free college "help society" ? Why not free trade school to educate plumbers, electricians, and car mechanics? We need people with those skills and those jobs pay very well.

All of the free college proposals also include trade schools. Having an educated workforce helps us compete globally. It helps society and helps our employers by providing a larger pool of trained employees.

My issue is with the word "free". Its not free to society.

Correct.

It is free to those who use it.

What strikes me as strange is that many jobs now require a two year degree from a JC.

Why ?

Because that is what a High School degree used to be.

Why don't we just do a better job with the dollars we spend. We spend an awful lot of them.....on so called education.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Its not free, winger. Unless you can get college profs to work for no pay, janitors and administrators to work for no pay, and the untility companies to provide free gas, water and electricity, college will never be free.

Someone has to pay. What exactly is wrong with the people using something being the ones to pay for it? Do you make your car payments, mortgage payments, etc? Or should the collective be paying them for you?

Where does this socialist bullshit end?

as to your stupid 'wall' comment. the primary duty of the federal government is national security. National security includes enforcing our borders. With no borders we have no country.

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

Yes, we do. 40% of it is borrowed. We are currently spending 140% of what we collect in tax revenue. Our national debt is increasing at the rate of hundreds of millions PER DAY. This is not fiscal responsibility, its fiscal lunacy. But you dems and libs want more of it.

Yes, there is plenty of waste in DOD, as well as every other govt agency. Instead of whining for more giveaways, why not bitch about eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse?

you libs say "tax the rich". We could take 100% of the income and wealth of the top 5% and it wouldn't come close to balancing the budget.

I've spent over 35 years working for the DoD. It is not so much waste fraud and abuse as having a modern military is very very expensive

What costs so much is the global mission we have assumed. We are the worlds policeman, we keep the seas safe, we project power to protect our global markets

We spend 41 cents of every military dollar in the world. We can adjust that without jeopardizing our safety

We agree on the world's police force idea. We cannot and should not assume that role. But, if we reduce our international presense it will be replaced by China and/or Russia and they will become the ones deciding which rulers stay in power and which ones are destroyed. Its a delicate balance.

But we are talking about the entire federal budget. Our entitlement spending, welfare spending, etc are much more budget destroying than the DOD budget.

How much do you think is wasted every day providing benefits for people who entered this country illegally?

Why do you condone illegal entry into our country?

We spend money on our military in response to a global threat. Since the end of the Cold War, that global threat has decreased. Our military spending has not
The same applies to building a wall. I do not think the threat posed to our country justifies the expense of building and policing a wall

And hence my contention that government just continues to feed fat cats.

Does anyone think the defense industry does not lobby the government ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

So, how is it that Republicans can't get the same credit.

They were elected to stop Obama. They are doing that on many fronts.

Far left morons on this board piss and moan about that all the time.

Have they quit building Highways ?

Has the entire school (and I use that term loosely) system shut down ?

Do people still get their Social Security checks. ?

It is sad that is what is left of the once Grand Old Party

They get elected to "stop Obama". What happened to balancing the budget, providing jobs, building infrastructure?

Now, obstruction is the best they can hope for

What's sad is the system in general.

What can be said about the GOP can be said about the democrats.

They own 30 statehouses and they seem to be doing pretty good at it. So are democractic governors.

Why is it that only the WH can "provide" jobs. As nears as I can tell, they've never been very good at it (unless you are talking IRS auditors).

That's odd

Republicans run on the theory they are the party that provides jobs, is fiscally responsible and generate wealth

Now all they can offer is "stop Obama"

That is federal republicans. They are no better or worse than the other morons at the federal level.

You seemed to miss the point.....Both republican and democratic governors are creating jobs (or maybe the UE argument has to be revisited).

don't make the mistake of thinking that you can carry on an intelligent debate with RW. He is nothing but a dem/lib parrot whose job is to post the latest talking points on this message board.

The best we can do is point out the falacies of the liberal bullshit that he posts. So, keep it up

Please don't confuse liberals with left wingers...they are not he same things.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

So, how is it that Republicans can't get the same credit.

They were elected to stop Obama. They are doing that on many fronts.

Far left morons on this board piss and moan about that all the time.

Have they quit building Highways ?

Has the entire school (and I use that term loosely) system shut down ?

Do people still get their Social Security checks. ?

It is sad that is what is left of the once Grand Old Party

They get elected to "stop Obama". What happened to balancing the budget, providing jobs, building infrastructure?

Now, obstruction is the best they can hope for

What's sad is the system in general.

What can be said about the GOP can be said about the democrats.

They own 30 statehouses and they seem to be doing pretty good at it. So are democractic governors.

Why is it that only the WH can "provide" jobs. As nears as I can tell, they've never been very good at it (unless you are talking IRS auditors).

That's odd

Republicans run on the theory they are the party that provides jobs, is fiscally responsible and generate wealth

Now all they can offer is "stop Obama"

That is federal republicans. They are no better or worse than the other morons at the federal level.

You seemed to miss the point.....Both republican and democratic governors are creating jobs (or maybe the UE argument has to be revisited).

All levels of government create jobs. All invest in our communities.

So, just because the federal republicans block jobs....does not mean all republicans block jobs.

Despite the whole "lets blame the red states (former blue states) for having such high welfare rates" argument, you'll find plenty of right wingers who like to work.

 

[Redfish]

Its not free, winger. Unless you can get college profs to work for no pay, janitors and administrators to work for no pay, and the untility companies to provide free gas, water and electricity, college will never be free.

Someone has to pay. What exactly is wrong with the people using something being the ones to pay for it? Do you make your car payments, mortgage payments, etc? Or should the collective be paying them for you?

Where does this socialist bullshit end?

as to your stupid 'wall' comment. the primary duty of the federal government is national security. National security includes enforcing our borders. With no borders we have no country.

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

Yes, we do. 40% of it is borrowed. We are currently spending 140% of what we collect in tax revenue. Our national debt is increasing at the rate of hundreds of millions PER DAY. This is not fiscal responsibility, its fiscal lunacy. But you dems and libs want more of it.

Yes, there is plenty of waste in DOD, as well as every other govt agency. Instead of whining for more giveaways, why not bitch about eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse?

you libs say "tax the rich". We could take 100% of the income and wealth of the top 5% and it wouldn't come close to balancing the budget.

I've spent over 35 years working for the DoD. It is not so much waste fraud and abuse as having a modern military is very very expensive

What costs so much is the global mission we have assumed. We are the worlds policeman, we keep the seas safe, we project power to protect our global markets

We spend 41 cents of every military dollar in the world. We can adjust that without jeopardizing our safety

We agree on the world's police force idea. We cannot and should not assume that role. But, if we reduce our international presense it will be replaced by China and/or Russia and they will become the ones deciding which rulers stay in power and which ones are destroyed. Its a delicate balance.

But we are talking about the entire federal budget. Our entitlement spending, welfare spending, etc are much more budget destroying than the DOD budget.

How much do you think is wasted every day providing benefits for people who entered this country illegally?

Why do you condone illegal entry into our country?

We spend money on our military in response to a global threat. Since the end of the Cold War, that global threat has decreased. Our military spending has not
The same applies to building a wall. I do not think the threat posed to our country justifies the expense of building and policing a wall

you are wrong on both, but thats no surprise

 

[Redfish]

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

Yes, we do. 40% of it is borrowed. We are currently spending 140% of what we collect in tax revenue. Our national debt is increasing at the rate of hundreds of millions PER DAY. This is not fiscal responsibility, its fiscal lunacy. But you dems and libs want more of it.

Yes, there is plenty of waste in DOD, as well as every other govt agency. Instead of whining for more giveaways, why not bitch about eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse?

you libs say "tax the rich". We could take 100% of the income and wealth of the top 5% and it wouldn't come close to balancing the budget.

I've spent over 35 years working for the DoD. It is not so much waste fraud and abuse as having a modern military is very very expensive

What costs so much is the global mission we have assumed. We are the worlds policeman, we keep the seas safe, we project power to protect our global markets

We spend 41 cents of every military dollar in the world. We can adjust that without jeopardizing our safety

We agree on the world's police force idea. We cannot and should not assume that role. But, if we reduce our international presense it will be replaced by China and/or Russia and they will become the ones deciding which rulers stay in power and which ones are destroyed. Its a delicate balance.

But we are talking about the entire federal budget. Our entitlement spending, welfare spending, etc are much more budget destroying than the DOD budget.

How much do you think is wasted every day providing benefits for people who entered this country illegally?

Why do you condone illegal entry into our country?

We spend money on our military in response to a global threat. Since the end of the Cold War, that global threat has decreased. Our military spending has not
The same applies to building a wall. I do not think the threat posed to our country justifies the expense of building and policing a wall

And hence my contention that government just continues to feed fat cats.

Does anyone think the defense industry does not lobby the government ?

Does anyone think that the people who work in the defense industry do not have good jobs and pay federal, state, and local taxes? If you cut DOD spending many of those people will be out of jobs. Would it be better to have them on the welfare rolls?

 

[Redfish]

It is sad that is what is left of the once Grand Old Party

They get elected to "stop Obama". What happened to balancing the budget, providing jobs, building infrastructure?

Now, obstruction is the best they can hope for

What's sad is the system in general.

What can be said about the GOP can be said about the democrats.

They own 30 statehouses and they seem to be doing pretty good at it. So are democractic governors.

Why is it that only the WH can "provide" jobs. As nears as I can tell, they've never been very good at it (unless you are talking IRS auditors).

That's odd

Republicans run on the theory they are the party that provides jobs, is fiscally responsible and generate wealth

Now all they can offer is "stop Obama"

That is federal republicans. They are no better or worse than the other morons at the federal level.

You seemed to miss the point.....Both republican and democratic governors are creating jobs (or maybe the UE argument has to be revisited).

don't make the mistake of thinking that you can carry on an intelligent debate with RW. He is nothing but a dem/lib parrot whose job is to post the latest talking points on this message board.

The best we can do is point out the falacies of the liberal bullshit that he posts. So, keep it up

Please don't confuse liberals with left wingers...they are not he same things.

as they are described in today's parlance, they are one and the same. If you are not one of them, great.

 

[Redfish]

It is sad that is what is left of the once Grand Old Party

They get elected to "stop Obama". What happened to balancing the budget, providing jobs, building infrastructure?

Now, obstruction is the best they can hope for

What's sad is the system in general.

What can be said about the GOP can be said about the democrats.

They own 30 statehouses and they seem to be doing pretty good at it. So are democractic governors.

Why is it that only the WH can "provide" jobs. As nears as I can tell, they've never been very good at it (unless you are talking IRS auditors).

That's odd

Republicans run on the theory they are the party that provides jobs, is fiscally responsible and generate wealth

Now all they can offer is "stop Obama"

That is federal republicans. They are no better or worse than the other morons at the federal level.

You seemed to miss the point.....Both republican and democratic governors are creating jobs (or maybe the UE argument has to be revisited).

All levels of government create jobs. All invest in our communities.

So, just because the federal republicans block jobs....does not mean all republicans block jobs.

Despite the whole "lets blame the red states (former blue states) for having such high welfare rates" argument, you'll find plenty of right wingers who like to work.

for the federal government to give someone a job, the government must first take the salary of that person from the taxpayers.

 

[rightwinger]

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

Yes, we do. 40% of it is borrowed. We are currently spending 140% of what we collect in tax revenue. Our national debt is increasing at the rate of hundreds of millions PER DAY. This is not fiscal responsibility, its fiscal lunacy. But you dems and libs want more of it.

Yes, there is plenty of waste in DOD, as well as every other govt agency. Instead of whining for more giveaways, why not bitch about eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse?

you libs say "tax the rich". We could take 100% of the income and wealth of the top 5% and it wouldn't come close to balancing the budget.

I've spent over 35 years working for the DoD. It is not so much waste fraud and abuse as having a modern military is very very expensive

What costs so much is the global mission we have assumed. We are the worlds policeman, we keep the seas safe, we project power to protect our global markets

We spend 41 cents of every military dollar in the world. We can adjust that without jeopardizing our safety

We agree on the world's police force idea. We cannot and should not assume that role. But, if we reduce our international presense it will be replaced by China and/or Russia and they will become the ones deciding which rulers stay in power and which ones are destroyed. Its a delicate balance.

But we are talking about the entire federal budget. Our entitlement spending, welfare spending, etc are much more budget destroying than the DOD budget.

How much do you think is wasted every day providing benefits for people who entered this country illegally?

Why do you condone illegal entry into our country?

We spend money on our military in response to a global threat. Since the end of the Cold War, that global threat has decreased. Our military spending has not
The same applies to building a wall. I do not think the threat posed to our country justifies the expense of building and policing a wall

And hence my contention that government just continues to feed fat cats.

Does anyone think the defense industry does not lobby the government ?

Of course they do. That is why we have to continually trump up imaginary threats to justify our spending

After the Soviet Union collapsed, it was obvious that their military capabilities were nowhere close to what we claimed they were

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, we do. 40% of it is borrowed. We are currently spending 140% of what we collect in tax revenue. Our national debt is increasing at the rate of hundreds of millions PER DAY. This is not fiscal responsibility, its fiscal lunacy. But you dems and libs want more of it.

Yes, there is plenty of waste in DOD, as well as every other govt agency. Instead of whining for more giveaways, why not bitch about eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse?

you libs say "tax the rich". We could take 100% of the income and wealth of the top 5% and it wouldn't come close to balancing the budget.

I've spent over 35 years working for the DoD. It is not so much waste fraud and abuse as having a modern military is very very expensive

What costs so much is the global mission we have assumed. We are the worlds policeman, we keep the seas safe, we project power to protect our global markets

We spend 41 cents of every military dollar in the world. We can adjust that without jeopardizing our safety

We agree on the world's police force idea. We cannot and should not assume that role. But, if we reduce our international presense it will be replaced by China and/or Russia and they will become the ones deciding which rulers stay in power and which ones are destroyed. Its a delicate balance.

But we are talking about the entire federal budget. Our entitlement spending, welfare spending, etc are much more budget destroying than the DOD budget.

How much do you think is wasted every day providing benefits for people who entered this country illegally?

Why do you condone illegal entry into our country?

We spend money on our military in response to a global threat. Since the end of the Cold War, that global threat has decreased. Our military spending has not
The same applies to building a wall. I do not think the threat posed to our country justifies the expense of building and policing a wall

And hence my contention that government just continues to feed fat cats.

Does anyone think the defense industry does not lobby the government ?

Does anyone think that the people who work in the defense industry do not have good jobs and pay federal, state, and local taxes? If you cut DOD spending many of those people will be out of jobs. Would it be better to have them on the welfare rolls?

The money spent in the defense industry would be spent somewhere else and would generate jobs in another sector.

For instance, defense money could go to build and maintain roads. That money would generate more jobs in that sector

 

[rightwinger]

Who said it was free?
I say it is something that will help society and is worth spending money on

The largest military in the world is not free. Keeping 2.5 million Americans in jail is not free. Building a two thousand mile wall is not free

Yet, we find the money to pay for it

Yes, we do. 40% of it is borrowed. We are currently spending 140% of what we collect in tax revenue. Our national debt is increasing at the rate of hundreds of millions PER DAY. This is not fiscal responsibility, its fiscal lunacy. But you dems and libs want more of it.

Yes, there is plenty of waste in DOD, as well as every other govt agency. Instead of whining for more giveaways, why not bitch about eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse?

you libs say "tax the rich". We could take 100% of the income and wealth of the top 5% and it wouldn't come close to balancing the budget.

I've spent over 35 years working for the DoD. It is not so much waste fraud and abuse as having a modern military is very very expensive

What costs so much is the global mission we have assumed. We are the worlds policeman, we keep the seas safe, we project power to protect our global markets

We spend 41 cents of every military dollar in the world. We can adjust that without jeopardizing our safety

We agree on the world's police force idea. We cannot and should not assume that role. But, if we reduce our international presense it will be replaced by China and/or Russia and they will become the ones deciding which rulers stay in power and which ones are destroyed. Its a delicate balance.

But we are talking about the entire federal budget. Our entitlement spending, welfare spending, etc are much more budget destroying than the DOD budget.

How much do you think is wasted every day providing benefits for people who entered this country illegally?

Why do you condone illegal entry into our country?

We spend money on our military in response to a global threat. Since the end of the Cold War, that global threat has decreased. Our military spending has not
The same applies to building a wall. I do not think the threat posed to our country justifies the expense of building and policing a wall

you are wrong on both, but thats no surprise

Explain your reasoning

 

[Correll]

I think most republicans do NOT think that.

We have seen plenty of examples of black or hispanic republicans being ignored.


When we support black or hispanic candidates we do it because we like them as candidates, not because of skin color.

Can you point to a black or hispanic Republican who has advocated helping minority communities? They all embrace the callous Republican views of....Get a job, your struggles are not my problem

Soooo, wait. Are you agreeing that Republicans do NOT expect to win black and brown votes with running black and brown candidates?

Because that was what you just claimed and now you seemed to have dropped that and move on.

As to their policies, they are based on the same various ideologies and economic theories of the rest of the GOP, that is why they have been the gop.

The fact that you disagree is not really relevant.

Which does nothing to help Republicans to retake the White House in the next 50 years

They have maneuvered themselves into irrelevance

COrrect.

We do not nominate or run black or hispanic candidates because we think that it will help ups retake the White House, we do it because those black and hispanic candidates are the best candidates, in our opinion.

They were not referenced as a strategy to pander to minority votes but to point out to you that your accusation of the GOP being "anti-hispanic" was incorrect.

It is telling that you seem actually incapable of imagining picking black or hispanic candidate because they are the best, and not to pander.

PLEASE do not waste my time pointing out to me your opinion that the candidates in question are not the best. We are talking about Republican opinions and selections, not yours.

So, do you have a response that addresses this evidence that your accusation of an "anti-hispanic" bias is incorrect?

I have pointed out that bias throughout this thread

It includes...

Show me you papers laws, English only laws, blocking the Dream act, blocking a path to citizenship, characterizing immigrants as murderers and rapists and allowing anti Hispanic hate speech in their ranks

1. Voter ID is just common sense.

2. English only laws is an attempt at assimilation. YOu know, that thing that occurred in the past that you keep siting as "Evidence" that this change must be for the good, even while you are fighting any attempts at repeating the successes of the past.

3. Dream Act? Amnesty for millions of Third World citizens is not in the interests of America or American citizens.

4. Our prisons are full of immigrant criminals. Once again you libs race bait when republicans try to discuss real issues. And it works. In that it wins elections at the cost of the problems going unchecked and the nation being torn apart. Good job.

5. "Hate speech" my ass.

 

[Correll]

Whoops didn't see Fakey's post (he's on ignore).

The problem with JakeTheFake is that I wasn't pointing fingers.

I was just pointing out that the party that whines about the GOP demographic had old white guys and an old white woman on stage.

Was I lying.....?

Who is on stage doesn't matter. Lincoln Chafee was on stage doesn't mean he has a chance

Same goes with so called Republican "diversity" that shows up when anyone can appear in the debate but disappears come convention time

In the end, Democrats will run the first woman in history for President while Republicans will once again run the White, Christian guy

the black guy is #2in the field right now. you seem to enjoy making a fool of yourself.
an old white corrupt woman, total insider, is your idea of an exciting first female president?

you guys are jokes

Yes, the Herman Cain of 2016

Herman was leading too. But by the time the first primary came up, Herman was nowhere to be found and the rich white guy won

Cain was destroyed by the lib media and moderates republicans who are dumb enough to trust anything the media says.

Cain was destroyed when the GOP leadership saw he had a chance to win

The liberals wanted Cain to win just like they want Trump to win

Bull. The liberals are terrified of minority conservatives, because it completely demolishes your myth of the Racist GOP. And that is why the media attacked him so aggressively.

I sure the GOP establishment was almost as terrified of a Cain victory. But they don't control the media which dog piled Cain.

And moderate republicans actually believed that crap.