The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Unkotare]

I’m not a turn the other cheek guy

Dont call me names and i wont either

Well then, fuck you. Is that what you're looking for?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Answer a question you say? You mean like you answering a request for a link to ANY supposed surrender offer by Japan prior to the bombs?

 

[Mac-7]

But you are more of a military expert than they were?

I’m not running for president

Remember what great friends Truman and MacArthur were?

 

[Mac-7]

Well then, fuck you. Is that what you're looking for?

You got carried away by your war of personal insults with Dudley and it spilled over onto me

 

[Unkotare]

I’m not running for president

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I didn't ask you anything about running for president.

 

[Unkotare]

You got carried away by your war of personal insults with Dudley and it spilled over onto me

If you're too sensitive, you'll take everything personally.

 

[Mac-7]

you're too sensitive, you'll take everything personally.

Sometimes not sensitive enough when dealing with libs

 

[Mac-7]

I didn't ask you anything about running for president.

You should have remembered that Ike and Mac did have ambitions to replace Truman

 

[Unkotare]

Sometimes not sensitive enough when dealing with libs

Go find a lib and tell him all about it.

 

[Unkotare]

You should have remembered that Ike and Mac did have ambitions to replace Truman

Which has nothing to do with this topic or my comments.

 

[Mac-7]

Go find a lib and tell him all about it.

If it walks like a duck…

 

[Unkotare]

If it walks like a duck…

Go find a duck and tell him all about it.

 

[Mac-7]

Which has nothing to do with this topic or my comments.

A politician cashing in on his military reputation to take potshots at his political rival is germane to the topic

 

[Unkotare]

A politician cashing in on his military reputation to take potshots at his political rival is germane to the topic

How is that germane to the question of the morality of dropping atomic bombs on civilians?

 

[Mac-7]

that germane to the question of the morality of dropping atomic bombs on civilians?

You mean the morality of ending a war

where it fits nicely

 

[Unkotare]

You mean the morality of ending a war
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I mean what I said.

 

[Mac-7]

I mean what I said.

The hangup is what you refuse to say

Hiroshima ended the war

 

[Unkotare]

The hangup is what you refuse to say

Hiroshima ended the war

Do you want to start the whole thing over again from page one? Our top military leadership recognized that the war was rapidly coming to a close anyway, and that the atomic bomb did NOT play a material role in Japan's inevitable defeat.

 

[Unkotare]

"Admiral William Leahy, White House chief of staff and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the war. Leahy wrote in his 1950 memoirs that "the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender." Moreover, Leahy continued, "in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

President Dwight Eisenhower, the Allied commander in Europe during World War II, recalled in 1963, as he did on several other occasions, that he had opposed using the atomic bomb on Japan during a July 1945 meeting with Secretary of War Henry Stimson: "I told him I was against it on two counts. First, the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Second, I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon."

Admiral William "Bull" Halsey, the tough and outspoken commander of the U.S. Third Fleet, which participated in the American offensive against the Japanese home islands in the final months of the war, publicly stated in 1946 that "the first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment." The Japanese, he noted, had "put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before" the bomb was used. "

Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins

Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...

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[Unkotare]

"Joseph O'Donnell, a retired marine corps sergeant who served in the Pacific, answered that "we should have went after the military in Japan. They were bad. But to drop a bomb on women and children and the elderly, I draw a line there, and I still hold it."

Doug Dowd, a Pacific-theater rescue pilot who was slated to take an early part in the invasion of Japan if it had come to that, recently stated that it was clear in the final months of the war that the Japanese "had lost the ability to defend themselves." American planes "met little, and then virtually no resistance," Dowd recalled. He added, "It is well-known [now] that the Japanese were seeking to make a peace agreement well before Hiroshima."

Or take Ed Everts, a major in the 7th weather squadron of the Army Air Corps. Everts, who received an air medal for surviving a crash at sea during the battle at Iwo Jima, told us that America's use of atomic bombs was "a war crime" for which "our leaders should have been put on trial as were the German and Japanese leaders."