The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[IlarMeilyr]

I have yet to see any evidence of injuries to Trayvon OTHER THAN, of course, the tragic bullet wound. Have you?

You are a funny guy.

Not at all. Well, at least not in this regard.

If there was a fight that caused Zimmerman to feel (reasonably feel) in fear for his life, that fight must have left some evidence behind. And lo and behold, we see Zimmerman's face, he has a broken nose, the back of his head (consistent with his account) has injuries to it. But there are no injuries to the guy Zimmerman said was beating him up (except maybe some knuckle scrapes which actually kind of support Zimmerman's account a bit further).

I cannot say that Trayvon got "no injury" since he died by bullet wound. But that is the thing that ENDED the fight.

The physical evidence supports Zimmerman's account and is consistent with that account.

Such matters as that have actual weight in the minds of jurors who DO try to be fair and reasonable.

most recent photos show grass stains on the back of zimmermans clothes

and grass stains on martins knees

That sounds like evidence favorable to the defense.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Not at all. Well, at least not in this regard.

If there was a fight that caused Zimmerman to feel (reasonably feel) in fear for his life, that fight must have left some evidence behind. And lo and behold, we see Zimmerman's face, he has a broken nose, the back of his head (consistent with his account) has injuries to it. But there are no injuries to the guy Zimmerman said was beating him up (except maybe some knuckle scrapes which actually kind of support Zimmerman's account a bit further).

I cannot say that Trayvon got "no injury" since he died by bullet wound. But that is the thing that ENDED the fight.

The physical evidence supports Zimmerman's account and is consistent with that account.

Such matters as that have actual weight in the minds of jurors who DO try to be fair and reasonable.

most recent photos show grass stains on the back of zimmermans clothes

and grass stains on martins knees

That sounds like evidence favorable to the defense.

I doubt if anyone denies there was an altercation.

How do those stains show who started it?


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[25Caliber]

The witness up there now...black male...the Prosecution wants him bad...the defense will be trying to get him eliminated. He found out about the rallies thru MSNBC....not good...they are the ones that fabricated evidence to incite anger on the side of Trayvon...if I was the prosecution I would want him off the jury...he just referenced al sharpton...another strike.

He just mentioned Stand Your Ground Law being applied correctly to this case....this is not a SYG case...its self defense...this guy is getting all of his info from MSNBC...hes in the martin column pretty soundly and it would be difficult to get him to sway...prosecution will not want him at all...they will strike him.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Okay..................... Now I have to get involved again.

There's an autopsy report that lists his injuries - that isn't even done by the PD, that's the ME's office. Have you read the police report and/or autopsy report and/or witness statements?

Let's try to stay sorta close to the facts. It's great to have an opinion, but for Pete's sake, just saying stuff that isn't even remotely true is silly.

Trayvon Martin Autopsy Report: Killed By Bullet Fired At Intermediate Range

Trayvon Martin Police Report

Soot, Ring Abrasion and Stippling? The only thing missing is a fucking muzzle impression.

It appears to me that to call it "intermediary" is misleading.

It appears to be closer to accurate to call it a (nearly) "close contact" wound.

the lab called it a contact shot

http://cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/FDLE-Lab-report.pdf

http://cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/FDLE-Lab-report.pdf AT pdf page 19 of 21. The analysis report says that the residue and physical effects were "consistent with" a contact shot.

I find that ^ pretty compelling.

Since it only says "consistent with," there is a pretty fair chance that the prosecution will seek to parse that finding. But, I doubt they will press it too far. A pretty good set of underlying scientific bases exist for the scientific conclusion reported; and I suspect that the prosecutor will not want to highlight the essentially inescapable conclusion.

It is highly significant scientific/forensic physical evidence for the defense, though.

It AT LEAST corroborates Zimmerman's account and does nothing to support any other view of the evidence. Zimmerman didn't light the kid up from a distance. With the wound evidence on Zimmerman, the grass evidence on Martin's pants and Zimmerman's jacket, and with the close contact nature of the gunshot, it is really not reasonable to believe anything other than that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman at the moment Zimmerman fired the shot. Plus, it also looks damn likely that Zimmerman was getting a beat down.

The defense of "justification" looks strong.

 

[testarosa]

This was the guy yesterday that went on and on about no opinion and the judge stopped it and said "is this your post?"

WHOOPSIE!!

Escorted out by a deputy.

Deputies escort dismissed George Zimmerman juror from courthouse | News - Home

 

[testarosa]

Mr Zs side likes this lady is the vibe I get.

WTH happened with her? I got on a conf call, she was doing good and they went to sidebar and took her out - did she say something for cause or did she go through?

 

[testarosa]

Tony Pipitone:
Dismissed juror was being confrontational with media and may have wanted to confront defense about its uncovering his posting, according to a Local 6 producer.

Juror who was previously dismissed from #GeorgeZimmerman case for Facebook posts returns to courthouse, trespassed by deputies.

That regarding the escorted out juror (above).

Let the trial drama begin!

 

[SantaFeWay]

Like this guy. Very thoughtful and honest. May have an agenda but I like him.

 

[testarosa]

That's his photo.

http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201306/phpr31aguimage.jpg

Note to self: If juror notice comes in mail, crumple in ball, set on fire, pretend like I never saw it.

 

[testarosa]

Like this guy. Very thoughtful and honest. May have an agenda but I like him.

Me too. So far, so good.

 

[SantaFeWay]

Whoa! 25 and I have mostly opposite impressions of these potentials. Love to hear other's thoughts. See, I like this guy. At least he's saying he listen to the evidence. Knowing my gut reaction on things sometimes, he's probably a Black Panther on weekends! LOL

 

[testarosa]

The witness up there now...black male...the Prosecution wants him bad...the defense will be trying to get him eliminated. He found out about the rallies thru MSNBC....not good...they are the ones that fabricated evidence to incite anger on the side of Trayvon...if I was the prosecution I would want him off the jury...he just referenced al sharpton...another strike.

He just mentioned Stand Your Ground Law being applied correctly to this case....this is not a SYG case...its self defense...this guy is getting all of his info from MSNBC...hes in the martin column pretty soundly and it would be difficult to get him to sway...prosecution will not want him at all...they will strike him.

Yes, but he's very thoughtful and he's very consistent with his answers.

He's good. So far, so good, unless he slips. The longer they talk the better the chance of a slip.

KEEPER.

 

[SantaFeWay]

Oopsie...Jim Crow and African-American male death population.

AXE

 

[testarosa]

Whoa! 25 and I have mostly opposite impressions of these potentials. Love to hear other's thoughts. See, I like this guy. At least he's saying he listen to the evidence. Knowing my gut reaction on things sometimes, he's probably a Black Panther on weekends! LOL

I've been pretty much with you. As soon as they start with the "don't know nothing", contradictions and slippery thing, they lose me.

This guy has been consistent, very bright. I like him.

 

[SantaFeWay]

I should be watching, except just listening, because I can't tell whether they're keepers or not based on the after-questioning sidebars. I'll just listen to Tess' report.

 

[testarosa]

Oopsie...Jim Crow and African-American male death population.

AXE

Shit! I was on the phone what did he say? I left right before when he was talking about AA deaths higher - which is true, goes to show he's thoughtful and very honest.

I don't believe the vote will/has to go down race lines. More about brain lines. lol.

 

[testarosa]

I should be watching, except just listening, because I can't tell whether they're keepers or not based on the after-questioning sidebars. I'll just listen to Tess' report.

I'm in and out watching Tony (local reporter in the courtroom) on the Tweeter, he gives physical descriptions, etc.

 

[testarosa]

Did he say "injustice that people were protesting"

is that how he said that?

Possible red flag.

 

[Kooshdakhaa]

In this day and age of e communications it is riddiculious to assume that there are people who have not heard about this case.

Actually, if they do happen to pick a jury of people who know nothing about it, then they would have to be the dumbest morons on the planet.

Oh, I don't know. During the whole OJ debacle, I made a concerted effort to avoid all coverage and discussion of the damned thing, and to know nothing about it, because I didn't WANT to know.

So it's possible to do, if you work at it.

It is certainly possible. I once had a psychologist friend who told me she did not read newspapers or keep up with current events. She said if there was anything important she needed to know, she would hear about it and could then research and educate herself about it if needed. But the everyday crimes and bullshit going on, she just didn't want to know.

She was the most serene person I've ever met. : )

 

[testarosa]

I think he made it through to the next round.