The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[QuickHitCurepon]

they are NOT.
you can't be serious

You could also say anyone in the government AND in law enforcement is an authority.

Although, what's important is that they can direct the police in many different directions and and have a tremendous power all their own.

I can understand why people are negging you - either you are INCREDIBLY stupid or you are provoking that by pretending you are.

911 dispatchers are NOT authorities in any way. Deal with that

Are you retarded? 911 are the authorities and work with the police. Does anyone else here believe 911 are not the authorities?

Do you realize they can threaten arrest or instruct the police to arrest you just by what you say to them if it's suspicious?

 

[testarosa]

The Verdict has theme music now. Awesome.

 

[pioneerpete]

Jurors during O'Mara's closing--B29 laughed when he was making fun of the prosecutors screaming. The one Hispanic juror was nodding along with O'Mara and looked at the Martin's after the four minute silence. She is the same juror that wouldn't make eye contact with the prosecutor yesterday.

 

[OODA_Loop]

So martin turned back? Why was zimmerman so far from his truck then?

Yes and he wasn't far.

It is how you know Martin doubled back

 

[SantaFeWay]

Why are police urging calm after the verdict is read?

I don't understand this.

Are police anticipating a Not Guilty verdict or are they suggesting Hispanics and Whites will riot if Zimmerman is found Guilty?

I actually think the jury has reached a verdict and told the judge that they have, but the judge told them to wait until morning to read it since people started to gather at the courthouse.

Prep for this.

OMG...that was AWFUL!

That was so so wrong - and will NEVER happen again. People now have carry permits.

 

[Pheonixops]

I certainly wouldn't end up dead less than 100 yards from my initial encounter over 4 minutes later when I was shot.

and my house was less than 200 yards down the same sidewalk I seem to have doubled back on toward my follower.

You don't really know how it would have turned out.

You don't think that Martin had the right to stand his ground? "In the United States of America, stand-your-ground law states that a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first. "
If someone is pursuing me in their vehicle and then leaves vehicle to continue that pursuit, I see that as a REAL THREAT. zimmerman didn't have to leave his vehicle at all to continue his pursuit.

I think with the facts that are present you can't say that GZ did anything unlawful to allow for that law to apply to TM. You can debate the morality of him following and profiling (even with a CCW), but neither of those things are illegal for a private citizen. The unlawful threat would have to be proven in this case that GZ threw the first punch, and there just isn't anyway of knowing that.

If Martin felt threatened by someone following him for no reason and following him after he tried to avoid him, and then left his vehicle to follow him on foot, I can see any reasonable and HONEST person agreeing that he most likely felt pretty threatened.
I walk my dogs @ 4:50am, if some asshole started following me while i am walking my dogs, I would feel like there is some trouble about to happen from that person. My awareness and threat level would be pretty elevated. If i tried to avoid him and he kept on pursuing me, that "threat level" would definitely escalate. If the son of a bitch then got out of his vehicle to pursue me and we came into close quarters, I would DEFINITELY feel the need to be pro-active and defend myself.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Lol. That didn't happen.

The sheriff is just prepared..

It isn't the morning yet----how do you know ?

I know how to surf and water ski, I know how to type 130 wpm, I know how to write marketing campaigns, I know how to blow really big bubbles, I know how to tie shoes, I know lots of things.

I know how to blow really big bubbles

we break open a night glow stick and mix it into soapy water

for glow in the dark bubbles

 

[PredFan]

Not what would YOU do, not what do you think is the RIGHT decision, but what do you think they will do.

Hung jury. This is turning out to be yet another OJ debacle where an incompetent prosecution fails to convict a guilty man so he will walk away to commit another crime some other day.

I don't think there's much chance of that.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Are you retarded? 911 are the authorities and work with the police. Does anyone else here believe 911 are not the authorities?

Do you realize they can instruct the police to arrest you just by what you say to them if it's suspicious?

911 operators are not sworn LE. They are civilians.

A 911 operator will tell a woman do not attack or shoot her "man" who is beating her.

 

[OODA_Loop]

If i tried to avoid him and he kept on pursuing me, that "threat level" would definitely escalate. If the son of a bitch then got out of his vehicle to pursue me and we came into close quarters, I would DEFINITELY feel the need to be pro-active and defend myself.

If you had over 4 minutes to avoid him how would he gain close quarters ?

Would you call 911 or a friend in Miami ?

 

[Amelia]

You don't really know how it would have turned out.

You don't think that Martin had the right to stand his ground? "In the United States of America, stand-your-ground law states that a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first. "
If someone is pursuing me in their vehicle and then leaves vehicle to continue that pursuit, I see that as a REAL THREAT. zimmerman didn't have to leave his vehicle at all to continue his pursuit.

I think with the facts that are present you can't say that GZ did anything unlawful to allow for that law to apply to TM. You can debate the morality of him following and profiling (even with a CCW), but neither of those things are illegal for a private citizen. The unlawful threat would have to be proven in this case that GZ threw the first punch, and there just isn't anyway of knowing that.

If Martin felt threatened by someone following him for no reason and following him after he tried to avoid him, and then left his vehicle to follow him on foot, I can see any reasonable and HONEST person agreeing that he most likely felt pretty threatened.
I walk my dogs @ 4:50am, if some asshole started following me while i am walking my dogs, I would feel like there is some trouble about to happen from that person. My awareness and threat level would be pretty elevated. If i tried to avoid him and he kept on pursuing me, that "threat level" would definitely escalate. If the son of a bitch then got out of his vehicle to pursue me and we came into close quarters, I would DEFINITELY feel the need to be pro-active and defend myself.

Martin had gotten away. Martin was fleet of foot. The clearly winded, out-of-shape Zimmerman who had already lost Martin couldn't have had the encounter with Martin if Martin had not returned. Zimmerman couldn't have closed the gap between them in the very short time between the end of the 911 call and the attack.

 

[pioneerpete]

You don't really know how it would have turned out.

You don't think that Martin had the right to stand his ground? "In the United States of America, stand-your-ground law states that a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first. "
If someone is pursuing me in their vehicle and then leaves vehicle to continue that pursuit, I see that as a REAL THREAT. zimmerman didn't have to leave his vehicle at all to continue his pursuit.

I think with the facts that are present you can't say that GZ did anything unlawful to allow for that law to apply to TM. You can debate the morality of him following and profiling (even with a CCW), but neither of those things are illegal for a private citizen. The unlawful threat would have to be proven in this case that GZ threw the first punch, and there just isn't anyway of knowing that.

If Martin felt threatened by someone following him for no reason and following him after he tried to avoid him, and then left his vehicle to follow him on foot, I can see any reasonable and HONEST person agreeing that he most likely felt pretty threatened.
I walk my dogs @ 4:50am, if some asshole started following me while i am walking my dogs, I would feel like there is some trouble about to happen from that person. My awareness and threat level would be pretty elevated. If i tried to avoid him and he kept on pursuing me, that "threat level" would definitely escalate. If the son of a bitch then got out of his vehicle to pursue me and we came into close quarters, I would DEFINITELY feel the need to be pro-active and defend myself.

I'm not talking about how you or I would feel. I understand he isn't here to tell his side of the story, but no one can prove that he did feel threatened. If they could prove it this whole case would have been a slam dunk from the get go. At best the stories for this point of the incident are contradicting.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

I'm talking about his case. Not other "often" cases. GZ has definitive injuries, but he's having to prove relevance and extent. Regardless, how are you going to prove "appearance" of anything that GZ did in that moment. Even with Rachel Jeantel's account you can't prove an unlawful act by GZ.

GZ doe not have to prove anything. he has injuries. he was defending himself.
it is the prosecution who had to prove that he did not.

I know that, but everyone is attacking him over the depth of his injuries. Including the poster I was responding to. Then he tells me of people getting convicted on appearance. I was just pointing out his contradiction.

You seem to be willfully misquoting me badly. When I used the word "appearance," it obviously didn't refer in anyway to GZ's injuries.

 

[Pheonixops]

I certainly wouldn't end up dead less than 100 yards from my initial encounter over 4 minutes later when I was shot.

and my house was less than 200 yards down the same sidewalk I seem to have doubled back on toward my follower.

You don't really know how it would have turned out.

You don't think that Martin had the right to stand his ground? "In the United States of America, stand-your-ground law states that a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first. "
If someone is pursuing me in their vehicle and then leaves vehicle to continue that pursuit, I see that as a REAL THREAT. zimmerman didn't have to leave his vehicle at all to continue his pursuit.

Why didn't Trayvon call 911 instead of jaking himself up to take out a crazy ass cracker?

His woman said he was talking about that man.

Because he did not have the wisdom of an adult.

As far as "jaking himself up" (whatever that is), that's just your assertion.

Why didn't that "crazy ass cracker" who was armed with a weapon, just keep a safe distance and wait for the police to arrive like ANY SANE AND REASONABLE PERSON WOULD DO?

 

[Caroljo]

Lifelong Democrat and big Dear Leader supporter. Explains her awful unjust behavior throughout this farce. Zimmerman has not received a fair trial. Period, end of story.

HAHAHA her campaign manager is one of the heads of the Republican Party in Florida.
Try again with some facts.

Another miserable Bush failure. Ala John Roberts. Still can't figure out why the rabid Socialists/Progressives hate the Bush's so much. The Bush's aren't Conservatives. They never were. All the hysterical hate from the Left towards them, really is perplexing. They should be amongst the Bush Family's biggest supporters. This Judge should be removed. Her behavior has been unjust. Zimmerman has not received a fair trial. And this dunce is a big reason.

They hate the bush's because they have an R by their name. That's the ONLY reason. If they all changed it to a D, the libs would absolutely love them!!! Lol!

 

[RoadVirus]

I tried watching the closing arguments yesterday and today, and i have to say this: Boredom City!!!!! It was like watching a Congressional filibuster.

Are closing arguments usually that f-ing long? If so, we need to amend it so that they are limited to 5 or 10 minutes.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Are you retarded? 911 are the authorities and work with the police. Does anyone else here believe 911 are not the authorities?

Do you realize they can instruct the police to arrest you just by what you say to them if it's suspicious?

911 operators are not sworn LE. They are civilians.

A 911 operator will tell a woman do not attack or shoot her "man" who is beating her.

The question was is 911 the authorities. I didn't ask if they are LE and of course, 911 isn't LE. They are two different things.

 

[Pheonixops]

He left his car to give the directions to the cops. Has everyone just gone bye bye on the truth here?

Why did he have to leave his car and get off of the street to "give directions to the cops"?

 

[HomeInspect]

Regardless of what happens, the media has been absolutely the pits. They have hyped this case to the highest level of national attention, for no other reason, but to push an agenda (that being racism)

 

[Plasmaball]

why is this thread five pages? it should have been a max of 5 posts maybe.