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WW - your response is exactly my point. We're fighting about facts we simply do know have. Everything is speculation. We DO know what Zimmerman was charged with and that's what the case is ultimately about. I maintain he was overcharged for political reasons. Until I hear the facts presented at trial, that will continue to be my stance. None of us were at the scene so all we're doing is flapping our gums when it comes to the circumstances the jury will consider.
What do you think of the charge??????
Correction - Witness #8 did not testify. But she gave statements and claims to have heard TM ask GZ why he was following him. At that point the phone went dead. According to her.
Correction - Witness #8 did not testify. But she gave statements and claims to have heard TM ask GZ why he was following him. At that point the phone went dead. According to her.
Actually her description continues on describing the mans reply, then she describes a bumping sound and that you could hear someone bump Martin.
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Correction - Witness #8 did not testify. But she gave statements and claims to have heard TM ask GZ why he was following him. At that point the phone went dead. According to her.
Actually her description continues on describing the mans reply, then she describes a bumping sound and that you could hear someone bump Martin.
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WW - your response is exactly my point. We're fighting about facts we simply do know have. Everything is speculation. We DO know what Zimmerman was charged with and that's what the case is ultimately about. I maintain he was overcharged for political reasons. Until I hear the facts presented at trial, that will continue to be my stance. None of us were at the scene so all we're doing is flapping our gums when it comes to the circumstances the jury will consider.
What do you think of the charge??????
You stated that Martin approached Zimmerman like it was a fact, I'm the one that questioned that and said no we don't know for a fact that is what happened.
I think the Murder 2 charge is an over charge, my opinion that it was an attempt to scare Zimmerman into a plea deal to admit quilt to a lesser charge (probably Manslaughter) and a reduced sentence.
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Good afternoon everyone, and Happy Father's Day to all the Dads out there. That means you, too, 25.
Reading back, this case is creating so much venom. I think that's because it is a true mystery in many ways. We do not know what will come into evidence yet. We do not know what happened that night once TM approached GZ. All we know is that an unarmed youth (TM was 16 years + 1 month old) is dead and a seemingly average man has been charged with M2.
If we're all going to get along, we need to cool our jets. Zimmerman will be held accountable for killing Martin, as he should be IMO. At this point, all we can intelligently discuss is the charge of M2 since nothing has come into evidence yet. That's a huge part of this case. It is what the defense is defending against. And there's no way in burning hell the prosecution can prove Zimmerman murdered TM. If not for racial tensions being ignited by the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, and Obama, not to mention the PR firm hired by Martin attorneys, then M2 would have never been charged. That is a travesty of justice just going into this case. And because of that, there are 2 wrongs and no right, just from the get-go. Hence, we have these polarized factions and, honestly, both are justified; both perspectives are valid. Martin was needlessly killed AND Zimmerman has been unjustly made a poster child for racial profiling and stricter gun laws. Both can be true - no need to fight about that. Right?
Martin was needlessly killed AND Zimmerman has been unjustly made a poster child for racial profiling and stricter gun laws.
WW - your response is exactly my point. We're fighting about facts we simply do know have. Everything is speculation. We DO know what Zimmerman was charged with and that's what the case is ultimately about. I maintain he was overcharged for political reasons. Until I hear the facts presented at trial, that will continue to be my stance. None of us were at the scene so all we're doing is flapping our gums when it comes to the circumstances the jury will consider.
What do you think of the charge??????
Can anyone tell me about Zimmerman's wounds?
I just noticed the word LIE is in the name Cecilie.
TM was a high school student not yet 18 = MINOR
TM was followed, reported, and confronted by GZ because of GZ's presumptions of a possible criminal intent on TM's part. Which was an erroneous presumption = INNOCENT
You're welcome.
WW - your response is exactly my point. We're fighting about facts we simply do know have. Everything is speculation. We DO know what Zimmerman was charged with and that's what the case is ultimately about. I maintain he was overcharged for political reasons. Until I hear the facts presented at trial, that will continue to be my stance. None of us were at the scene so all we're doing is flapping our gums when it comes to the circumstances the jury will consider.
What do you think of the charge??????
Well, we should just shut down the thread and go home, then.
Why is it okay for you to have a "stance" while you wait to hear the facts presented? Why can't I have a "stance" also?
Or is it only okay to have a stance that is the same as your stance?
This board is all about opinions and speculation, as well as discussing facts. If we couldn't express our opinions and speculate, this entire board would pretty much be silent.
