The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

What are your Initial Thoughts on the Guilt or Innocence of George Zimmerman?


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The person who was on top was the person who got up. Eos.

If you recall, Zimmerman was on top after he got out from under Martin. Sorry, argument invalid.

He was on top and he got up while Travon was laying there dead. The boy was the one yelling for help.. Next witness..

Sorry, you are interpreting it based on bias.

I forget which witness, but they said he was underneath Martin, and when they looked back around he was standing over the top of him.

Keep trying.
 
The pre trial propaganda continually showing Martin as a 12 year old boy has had a real affect on this trial.
 
If you recall, Zimmerman was on top after he got out from under Martin. Sorry, argument invalid.

He was on top and he got up while Travon was laying there dead. The boy was the one yelling for help.. Next witness..

Sorry, you are interpreting it based on bias.

I forget which witness, but they said he was underneath Martin, and when they looked back around he was standing over the top of him.

Keep trying.

And you still hold that Travon beat Zimmerman up as well?
 
He was on top and he got up while Travon was laying there dead. The boy was the one yelling for help.. Next witness..

Sorry, you are interpreting it based on bias.

I forget which witness, but they said he was underneath Martin, and when they looked back around he was standing over the top of him.

Keep trying.

And you still hold that Travon beat Zimmerman up as well?

The evidence shows it.
 
Bahadoor was a little iffy but you are not being fair about the two today. Simple as that. Once they got their opinions out, the jury will not be able to unhear it.

You are the one who is unfair and without clues here.

How am I being unfair? The prosecution has already shown that they can only call witnesses who have little to no definitive eyewitness testimony as to who was on top of who, who was yelling for help, or who instigated the altercation. So forgive me, Sarah, you are the clueless one, that is how you shall remain.

The jury will remember certain things, and nothing the judge says can prevent that.

Yes. They'll remember that the witness was discredited so all his other testimony, true or not, will go out the window.
 
Sorry, you are interpreting it based on bias.

I forget which witness, but they said he was underneath Martin, and when they looked back around he was standing over the top of him.

Keep trying.

And you still hold that Travon beat Zimmerman up as well?

The evidence shows it.

Not really, no blood (from Zimmerman's bloody nose) on TM's hands or anywhere. No bruises on TM's hands, not even Zimmerman blood on TM at all. They swabbed under TM's nails. TM's blood IS on Zimmerman though.

The jury knows this. They aren't hearing your crazy stories.
 
So far all that has been proved his how powerful pretrial publicity is. The witnesses are testifying as to what they saw on television and how those perceptions have colored their personal eye witness observations.
 
Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion, by Andrew Branca

Today can only be characterized as an utter debacle for the prosecution in Florida v. Zimmerman. Besides the testimony of a couple of highly professional law enforcement witnesses, the testimony of the the other State witnesses ranged from signing George Zimmerman’s praises, to acknowledging the utility of following a suspicious person from a distance, to being utterly discredited by razor sharp cross-examination of the defense.

Before we even get to the disaster that was the State’s witnesses, however, we first have to discuss this morning’s hearing and the extent to which it evanescent is the State’s case against George Zimmerman.

Read more @ Zimmerman Trial | Live video | Prosecution Witnesses

With a know-nothing jury and a fumbling prosecution, the riots should start in a week or two. :eusa_whistle:
 
And you still hold that Travon beat Zimmerman up as well?

The evidence shows it.

Not really, no blood (from Zimmerman's bloody nose) on TM's hands or anywhere. No bruises on TM's hands, not even Zimmerman blood on TM at all. They swabbed under TM's nails. TM's blood IS on Zimmerman though.

The jury knows this. They aren't hearing your crazy stories.

Next fallacy.

You don't necessarily have to have bruises on your hands after you beat the shit out of someone. Are you saying Zimmerman did that to himself? You really are looney aren't you?
 
And you still hold that Travon beat Zimmerman up as well?

The evidence shows it.

Not really, no blood (from Zimmerman's bloody nose) on TM's hands or anywhere. No bruises on TM's hands, not even Zimmerman blood on TM at all. They swabbed under TM's nails. TM's blood IS on Zimmerman though.

The jury knows this. They aren't hearing your crazy stories.

That's not true.

Autopsy Reveals Trayvon Martin Had Bloody Knuckles When He Died (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

The information could support George Zimmerman’s claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.

Autopsy shows Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles: report - NY Daily News

Autopsy results confirm that Trayvon Martin sustained injuries to his knuckles before he was gunned down in a Florida gated community.
The medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: the fatal gunshot wound on his chest and broken skin on his knuckles, according to WFTV....


Read more: Autopsy shows Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles: report - NY Daily News

The jury knows this. They won't listen to crazy stories.
 
People who aren't in the jury box know about the trial from what is filtered through the snippets coming from the media that they pay attention to. We know from Sarah G, that people not charged with considering all the evidence won't. They will pick out what supports their opinions and disregard what doesn't.
 
That is not what the witnesses said, and Zimmerman's jacket did not have any grass stains, Martian grass stains came from being shot and falling face first on the ground and then Zimmerman jumping on top of him as he was dying.

Zimmerman jumped on top of him as Martin was dying? I'm not sure I've heard that one yet.

Not in the trial yet, no, but that's what Zimmerman told the investigators.

Not quite as there was no claim that Zimmerman "jumped" on top of Martin. What he told investigators was that after Martin was shot, Martin sat up allowing Zimmerman to slide out from underneath him and that Zimmerman then got on top of Martin, holding Martin's hands away from his body.
 
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