The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[AyeCantSeeYou]

Z - 5'-7" and obese - from medical records

Has head trauma.

 

[A_LittleFeisty]

[MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION] wears pants?

Point taken. A guy who calls himself "Snookie" probably wears skirts.

Only during my Braveheart personna.

I am glad you did not say Greenback Mountain personna.

 

[MeBelle]

Let's see what is relevant from Z's medical records.

Difficulty sleeping - using MMA training 3 days a week to help with sleep - not working.

Which is why an MD doesn't 'help' regarding this issue. They just want to med a pt up!

Insomnia sux!
Meds don't help unless one likes the morning after side effects.

Melatonin, valerian root, L-Tryptophan (or eat lots of turkey!)
DO help with insomnia. Valerian root, to me when I used to use it, smells nasty and tastes like 'lavender'.

 

[RKMBrown]

FB Coach says Trayvon was a great kid. Non-confrontational.

 

[MeBelle]

I resemble that remark.

[MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION] wears pants?

Point taken. A guy who calls himself "Snookie" probably wears skirts.

Kilt you mean...and he goes commando [MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION]

 

[Snookie]

His duty was not to confront but to call 911 according to the neighborhood watch rules and what the 911 guy told him.

And according to Zimmerman's sworn testimony, that's exactly what he did. Zimmerman claimed it was Martin that came back and assaulted him.

I'm not saying that's the truth (how could I know?), but I wonder how you're so damn sure it isn't. Care to explain?

TM's dead body.

 

[Missourian]

I think where Jake conflates principles is when it comes to the standard of actual life-threatening attack and FEAR of life-threatening attack.

The way the statute is written, the attack does not actual be life-threatening...only that the recipient of the attack BELIEVES they are in danger of death or grave bodily harm.

There is a lot of subjectivity in that definition.

 

[Snookie]

Let's see what is relevant from Z's medical records.

Difficulty sleeping - using MMA training 3 days a week to help with sleep - not working.

Which is why an MD doesn't 'help' regarding this issue. They just want to med a pt up!

Insomnia sux!
Meds don't help unless one likes the morning after side effects.

Melatonin, valerian root, L-Tryptophan (or eat lots of turkey!)
DO help with insomnia. Valerian root, to me when I used to use it, smells nasty and tastes like 'lavender'.

Crown Royal and Coke [cola].

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

Z's medical record - nose appeared to be broken

Recommendation was to see an ENT for his broken nose.

 

[Edgetho]

i agree. it is really impossible to say the defense is doing well when they have not even started their case yet.

just another example of jake showing his appalling ignorance.

I haven't paid a lot of attention to the thread until the last few minutes, but he's been remarkably lucid for a libtard.

I think you're arguing about two different things but if Z started the fight, he's got problems.

At the end of the Trial, either side can ask for 'Lesser Charges' to be considered by the Jury. I suspect the prosecution will do just that

explain to me then how jake can't grasp the concept that just because you start the fight, means you have no right to self defense.

i believe you understand that concept. why doesn't he?

You have the right to self-defense to the extent that you may not be eligible for a Murder I conviction. But Man II or Man I is a strong possibility.

You can't have a CCW in Florida and go around starting fights. You're going to jail if you do.

If it's ancillary, if you're defending another person.... It's called "Stand In Shoes" down here, then that's not starting a fight. Different ballgame. If you're chasing a bad guy that ran off with your personal property, that's also allowed. If you're defedning your porperty, your family, etc. Okay.

But if you just decide you don't like somebody's looks and start an altercation with him? Regardless of who escalates what, you got a problem.

I can't envision a man like Z doing that. Most of us with a CCW are very aware of the rules.

 

[Sarah G]

I agree the prosecution is having a hard time getting any proof to that effect into the record.

They can't get a break. Somebody on HLN just said Bernie de la Rionda should be fired after this case.

 

[R.D.]

His duty was not to confront but to call 911 according to the neighborhood watch rules and what the 911 guy told him.

And according to Zimmerman's sworn testimony, that's exactly what he did. Zimmerman claimed it was Martin that came back and assaulted him.

I'm not saying that's the truth (how could I know?), but I wonder how you're so damn sure it isn't. Care to explain?

TM's dead body.

...you're joking, right?

 

[RKMBrown]

Zimmerman was "obeese".

Not as obeese at the time of the fight... additionally Zim was the one getting MMA training. The fight we saw of TM showed TM slapping hardly a trained fighter.

 

[MeBelle]

[MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION] wears pants?

Point taken. A guy who calls himself "Snookie" probably wears skirts.

Kilt you mean...and he goes commando

[MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION] wears pants?

Do you want me to show you what I wear, among other things?

Show us the kilt!!!

GMTA [MENTION=43888]AyeCantSeeYou[/MENTION]!!

 

[Missourian]

So now we have two people who believe they are defending themselves against the other person.

There are a great many subtle points of law in this case.

The prosecutions witness yesterday testified that Martin had reached his Dad's condo.

If that is true, he has no justification for self defense against a "creepy ass Cracka" who was following him.

At this point, both parties have made a decision to engage actively in confrontation.

 

[R.D.]

Zimmerman was "obeese".

Not as obeese at the time of the fight... additionally Zim was the one getting MMA training. The fight we saw of TM showed TM slapping hardly a trained fighter.

That was at the time of the fight. He's obeeser now

 

[Edgetho]

I agree the prosecution is having a hard time getting any proof to that effect into the record.

They can't get a break. Somebody on HLN just said Bernie de la Rionda should be fired after this case.

I'm watching it online here --

Zimmerman Trial | Live video | Prosecution Witnesses

Pretty fair and it doesn't take me away from here

 

[KissMy]

Do you have a witness that saw TM was slamming GZs head on the concrete?

Yes. John Good.

I thought Good said straddling in the MMA style. I did not hear him say slamming, pounding.. nothing more than on top. But I might have missed it had to do some work.

He said Martin was punching downward towards Zimmerman's head. He said Martin was on top of Zimmerman who was on the bottom flat on his back. He could not hear the strikes or see the strikes. He said it appeared to be Martin "ground & pounding" Zimmerman on the concrete.

 

[asterism]

Sarah, with respect I don't think you're considering this issue fairly. On your picture, it's not just two pinholes, but there's also a cut on the upper bridge of his nose. Also, he may have damage on the inside parts of his nose that can't easily be seen from the outside.

Please consider this picture of Zimmerman's bloody nose, which points to there being trauma which would cause the bleeding in the first place:

Forget it, she is blind. Blinded with emotion, and prevaricated assumptions.

Ever had a broken nose or seen anyone with a broken nose? You can tell when it is broken, it bleeds a lot, the blood would not have been just at the scratch on the tip. Look closley at the picture you posted, if you are fair and not biased, you will see blood is only coming from the tip of his nose..

That's not true. I broke my nose 22 years ago and it didn't bleed externally at all until I sneezed out the blood clot a few hours later.

 

[MeBelle]

Let's see what is relevant from Z's medical records.

Difficulty sleeping - using MMA training 3 days a week to help with sleep - not working.

Which is why an MD doesn't 'help' regarding this issue. They just want to med a pt up!

Insomnia sux!
Meds don't help unless one likes the morning after side effects.

Melatonin, valerian root, L-Tryptophan (or eat lots of turkey!)
DO help with insomnia. Valerian root, to me when I used to use it, smells nasty and tastes like 'lavender'.

Crown Royal and Coke [Pepsi].

[MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION]