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What are your Initial Thoughts on the Guilt or Innocence of George Zimmerman?


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And he was not arrested for domestic violence...he had a restraining order taken out against him by his ex...while she had a similar order taken out against her. Get your facts straight...

Have you ever had a restraining order taken out on you? Have you ever been arrested or charged with resisting arrest? Have you ever been required by the court to take an anger management course and/or get counseling for anger control issues? I haven't. I don't think the average, calm and under self control citizen has either. George Zimmerman has issues of self control, of violent tendencies. He is not your average, law abidding citizen. Have you ever lied to a court, when you are under arrest, lied to a court about your finances? Come on. This is not a regular guy. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
 
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Zimmerman's attorney admitted to lying when he claimed Martin filmed his buddies beating up homeless people. Of course, he had to admit he lied since the evidence clearly showed him to be lying.

What a putz.
 
Getting suspended from school for theft makes him a thief. What part of that is a "stretch"? The assumption that someone who has already committed a crime is more apt to commit another one is simple common sense. But you don't want to admit THAT because that spoils your whole "innocent child" narrative.

Zimmy had already committed a crime, a real crime "felony" when he hit a cop, so how come that is being overlooked? It makes good sense that if Zimmy hit a cop, he would be more apt to commit another crime, not being afraid of the cops, but that would spoil your whole "TM is the only one with a record" narrative, wouldn't it? If TM had a "judge" father to get him out of those charges, he'd be as clean as GZ, wouldn't he?


According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.
George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests

Did you actually read that "article" you cited? Or, just the pieces you wanted to use for a source?
Did you read the post I was responding to? If you had you would have known it didn't matter.

Had you read the entire piece, you would have seen that the 2 resisting an officer were from the same incident.
Of course I did. It doesn't matter that it mentioned the same incident, the fact is that he was charged with a crime that was a felony, that his daddy bailed him out, is why it isn't in his record.

How can a person with felonies get a carry permit?
If your dad is a judge and can get the court to drop the charges, it is no longer a felony. But, that doesn't mean GZ didn't commit the crime.
 
Zimmy had already committed a crime, a real crime "felony" when he hit a cop, so how come that is being overlooked? It makes good sense that if Zimmy hit a cop, he would be more apt to commit another crime, not being afraid of the cops, but that would spoil your whole "TM is the only one with a record" narrative, wouldn't it? If TM had a "judge" father to get him out of those charges, he'd be as clean as GZ, wouldn't he?


According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.
George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests

How exactly does one get arrested for "resisting an officer without violence" AND "resisting an officer with violence"? Duh?

That's the kind of nonsense that you post when you get your information from web sites that have an agenda that doesn't correlate well with the truth.


Because the original arrest for was Felony assault of a police officer in July 2005 and was being processed though August 2005. At that time Zimmerman coped to a plea deal which dropped to original charged from a felony to a misdemeanor which was a separate filing started in August 2005 and went through July 2006 even though the event date remained the same as the original filing. So as part of a Pre-Trial Diversion program, which in this case required anger management counseling/classes, you end up with mulitple charges at different levels for the same offense.

Once he completed the requirements of the diversion program he was not prosecuted.

The two separate charge filings (one felony and one misdemeanor) originated from the same event and reflect it's processing through the courts.




http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428
Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE 843.02 First Degree - Misd 07/14/2005



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Does any of that matter? The fact is that TM was being deemed as a thug with a record by the poster I was responding to, while all the charges against GZ are being ignored.
 
How exactly does one get arrested for "resisting an officer without violence" AND "resisting an officer with violence"? Duh?

That's the kind of nonsense that you post when you get your information from web sites that have an agenda that doesn't correlate well with the truth.


Because the original arrest for was Felony assault of a police officer in July 2005 and was being processed though August 2005. At that time Zimmerman coped to a plea deal which dropped to original charged from a felony to a misdemeanor which was a separate filing started in August 2005 and went through July 2006 even though the event date remained the same as the original filing. So as part of a Pre-Trial Diversion program, which in this case required anger management counseling/classes, you end up with mulitple charges at different levels for the same offense.

Once he completed the requirements of the diversion program he was not prosecuted.

The two separate charge filings (one felony and one misdemeanor) originated from the same event and reflect it's processing through the courts.




http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428
Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE 843.02 First Degree - Misd 07/14/2005



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Does any of that matter? The fact is that TM was being deemed as a thug with a record by the poster I was responding to, while all the charges against GZ are being ignored.


I was responding to "How exactly does one get arrested for "resisting an officer without violence" AND "resisting an officer with violence"? Duh?"


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How exactly does one get arrested for "resisting an officer without violence" AND "resisting an officer with violence"? Duh?

That's the kind of nonsense that you post when you get your information from web sites that have an agenda that doesn't correlate well with the truth.


Because the original arrest for was Felony assault of a police officer in July 2005 and was being processed though August 2005. At that time Zimmerman coped to a plea deal which dropped to original charged from a felony to a misdemeanor which was a separate filing started in August 2005 and went through July 2006 even though the event date remained the same as the original filing. So as part of a Pre-Trial Diversion program, which in this case required anger management counseling/classes, you end up with mulitple charges at different levels for the same offense.

Once he completed the requirements of the diversion program he was not prosecuted.

The two separate charge filings (one felony and one misdemeanor) originated from the same event and reflect it's processing through the courts.




http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428
Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE 843.02 First Degree - Misd 07/14/2005



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Does any of that matter? The fact is that TM was being deemed as a thug with a record by the poster I was responding to, while all the charges against GZ are being ignored.
Yep, it's pretty ironic. The real thug in the case is Zimmerman, not Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman has had several incidents of violence, arrests, restraining orders, and lying to the courts. He is not your average law abiding citizen, and yet it's someone who has never been in trouble with the law that is being painted as a thug, while the real thug is being painted as a paragon of virtue. Ludicrous.
 
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Because the original arrest for was Felony assault of a police officer in July 2005 and was being processed though August 2005. At that time Zimmerman coped to a plea deal which dropped to original charged from a felony to a misdemeanor which was a separate filing started in August 2005 and went through July 2006 even though the event date remained the same as the original filing. So as part of a Pre-Trial Diversion program, which in this case required anger management counseling/classes, you end up with mulitple charges at different levels for the same offense.

Once he completed the requirements of the diversion program he was not prosecuted.

The two separate charge filings (one felony and one misdemeanor) originated from the same event and reflect it's processing through the courts.




http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428
Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE 843.02 First Degree - Misd 07/14/2005



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Does any of that matter? The fact is that TM was being deemed as a thug with a record by the poster I was responding to, while all the charges against GZ are being ignored.


I was responding to "How exactly does one get arrested for "resisting an officer without violence" AND "resisting an officer with violence"? Duh?"


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Right, but the other poster was insinuating that I was counting the same offense twice, when it doesn't really matter, it was just the fact that GZ would have a record if his dad hadn't bailed him.
 
How exactly does one get arrested for "resisting an officer without violence" AND "resisting an officer with violence"? Duh?

That's the kind of nonsense that you post when you get your information from web sites that have an agenda that doesn't correlate well with the truth.

Because the original arrest for was Felony assault of a police officer in July 2005 and was being processed though August 2005. At that time Zimmerman coped to a plea deal which dropped to original charged from a felony to a misdemeanor which was a separate filing started in August 2005 and went through July 2006 even though the event date remained the same as the original filing. So as part of a Pre-Trial Diversion program, which in this case required anger management counseling/classes, you end up with mulitple charges at different levels for the same offense.

Once he completed the requirements of the diversion program he was not prosecuted.

The two separate charge filings (one felony and one misdemeanor) originated from the same event and reflect it's processing through the courts.

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428
Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE 843.02 First Degree - Misd 07/14/2005

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Does any of that matter? The fact is that TM was being deemed as a thug with a record by the poster I was responding to, while all the charges against GZ are being ignored.

Since it was brought it up, yes, it does matter to get ALL facts straight.
 
Because the original arrest for was Felony assault of a police officer in July 2005 and was being processed though August 2005. At that time Zimmerman coped to a plea deal which dropped to original charged from a felony to a misdemeanor which was a separate filing started in August 2005 and went through July 2006 even though the event date remained the same as the original filing. So as part of a Pre-Trial Diversion program, which in this case required anger management counseling/classes, you end up with mulitple charges at different levels for the same offense.

Once he completed the requirements of the diversion program he was not prosecuted.

The two separate charge filings (one felony and one misdemeanor) originated from the same event and reflect it's processing through the courts.

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428
Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE 843.02 First Degree - Misd 07/14/2005

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Does any of that matter? The fact is that TM was being deemed as a thug with a record by the poster I was responding to, while all the charges against GZ are being ignored.

Since it was brought it up, yes, it does matter to get ALL facts straight.

First of all, the trial has not even started, so anything brought up in the media is not necessarily pertinent just because it has been brought up. In a rape case, a woman's sexual history might be brought up, that doesn't make it pertinent to the trial or mean she deserved to be raped. Just anything brought up before or even during the trial does not mean it is pertinent or should have any influence on the outcome of the trial.
 
Right, but the other poster was insinuating that I was counting the same offense twice, when it doesn't really matter, it was just the fact that GZ would have a record if his dad hadn't bailed him.

GZ does have a record, obviously.
As for the underlined part, that's an assumption, unless you have proof.
 
First of all, the trial has not even started, so anything brought up in the media is not necessarily pertinent just because it has been brought up. Just anything brought up before or even during the trial does not mean it is pertinent or should have any influence on the outcome of the trial.

Are you saying GZ doesn't have a record?
 
Zimmy had already committed a crime, a real crime "felony" when he hit a cop, so how come that is being overlooked? It makes good sense that if Zimmy hit a cop, he would be more apt to commit another crime, not being afraid of the cops, but that would spoil your whole "TM is the only one with a record" narrative, wouldn't it? If TM had a "judge" father to get him out of those charges, he'd be as clean as GZ, wouldn't he?


According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.
George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests

How exactly does one get arrested for "resisting an officer without violence" AND "resisting an officer with violence"? Duh?

That's the kind of nonsense that you post when you get your information from web sites that have an agenda that doesn't correlate well with the truth.


Because the original arrest for was Felony assault of a police officer in July 2005 and was being processed though August 2005. At that time Zimmerman coped to a plea deal which dropped to original charged from a felony to a misdemeanor which was a separate filing started in August 2005 and went through July 2006 even though the event date remained the same as the original filing. So as part of a Pre-Trial Diversion program, which in this case required anger management counseling/classes, you end up with mulitple charges at different levels for the same offense.

Once he completed the requirements of the diversion program he was not prosecuted.

The two separate charge filings (one felony and one misdemeanor) originated from the same event and reflect it's processing through the courts.




http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428
Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE 843.02 First Degree - Misd 07/14/2005



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So instead of trying to make George Zimmerman look like a "hardened criminal" with TWO charges of battery on a law enforcement officer let's be honest about what happened. He pushed an undercover officer's arm away because he didn't know who the guy was. For that Zimmerman was originally charged with resisting an officer with violence (which would lead one to believe that the arresting officer was a world class DICK to even make such a charge) and when cooler heads prevailed that charge was changed to resisting an officer without violence.

I'd be interested to know why there is a discrepancy in the dates there, WW. For some reason he's charged with the lesser charge two days before he was charged with the greater charge that was reduced. Either that's a clerical error or someone's research is off.
 
Because the original arrest for was Felony assault of a police officer in July 2005 and was being processed though August 2005. At that time Zimmerman coped to a plea deal which dropped to original charged from a felony to a misdemeanor which was a separate filing started in August 2005 and went through July 2006 even though the event date remained the same as the original filing. So as part of a Pre-Trial Diversion program, which in this case required anger management counseling/classes, you end up with mulitple charges at different levels for the same offense.

Once he completed the requirements of the diversion program he was not prosecuted.

The two separate charge filings (one felony and one misdemeanor) originated from the same event and reflect it's processing through the courts.

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428
Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE 843.02 First Degree - Misd 07/14/2005

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Does any of that matter? The fact is that TM was being deemed as a thug with a record by the poster I was responding to, while all the charges against GZ are being ignored.

Since it was brought it up, yes, it does matter to get ALL facts straight.

Sorry, the point I was trying to make doesn't matter that it was the same incident.
 
Because the original arrest for was Felony assault of a police officer in July 2005 and was being processed though August 2005. At that time Zimmerman coped to a plea deal which dropped to original charged from a felony to a misdemeanor which was a separate filing started in August 2005 and went through July 2006 even though the event date remained the same as the original filing. So as part of a Pre-Trial Diversion program, which in this case required anger management counseling/classes, you end up with mulitple charges at different levels for the same offense.

Once he completed the requirements of the diversion program he was not prosecuted.

The two separate charge filings (one felony and one misdemeanor) originated from the same event and reflect it's processing through the courts.




http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428
Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Statute Level Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE 843.02 First Degree - Misd 07/14/2005



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Does any of that matter? The fact is that TM was being deemed as a thug with a record by the poster I was responding to, while all the charges against GZ are being ignored.
Yep, it's pretty ironic. The real thug in the case is Zimmerman, not Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman has had several incidents of violence, arrests, restraining orders, and lying to the courts. He is not your average law abiding citizen, and yet it's someone who has never been in trouble with the law that is being painted as a thug, while the real thug is being painted as a paragon of virtue. Ludicrous.

What's "ludicrous" is for you to make the claim that Trayvon Martin has never been in trouble with the law. He's a minor. His court records are sealed. He could very well have had numerous brushes with the law that you and I will never be privy to.

It's also amusing to watch you repeatedly try to paint George Zimmerman as a "thug" when his worst transgressions against society were to push an undercover officer's arm away and get into a trading of restraining orders with an ex girlfriend. You're right...he's NOT the average citizen because the average citizen has MORE infractions of the law on their record than Zimmerman.
 
Right, but the other poster was insinuating that I was counting the same offense twice, when it doesn't really matter, it was just the fact that GZ would have a record if his dad hadn't bailed him.

GZ does have a record, obviously.
As for the underlined part, that's an assumption, unless you have proof.

Oh yeah, like I'm sure his dad and the court submitted an article about it to the newspapers! :badgrin:
 
Does any of that matter? The fact is that TM was being deemed as a thug with a record by the poster I was responding to, while all the charges against GZ are being ignored.
Yep, it's pretty ironic. The real thug in the case is Zimmerman, not Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman has had several incidents of violence, arrests, restraining orders, and lying to the courts. He is not your average law abiding citizen, and yet it's someone who has never been in trouble with the law that is being painted as a thug, while the real thug is being painted as a paragon of virtue. Ludicrous.

What's "ludicrous" is for you to make the claim that Trayvon Martin has never been in trouble with the law. He's a minor. His court records are sealed. He could very well have had numerous brushes with the law that you and I will never be privy to.

It's also amusing to watch you repeatedly try to paint George Zimmerman as a "thug" when his worst transgressions against society were to push an undercover officer's arm away and get into a trading of restraining orders with an ex girlfriend. You're right...he's NOT the average citizen because the average citizen has MORE infractions of the law on their record than Zimmerman.

Ha,ha, I can't believe you are actually saying that......he was ordered to take anger management - that ought to tell you what kind of temper Mr. DoNoWrong has.
 
Yep, it's pretty ironic. The real thug in the case is Zimmerman, not Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman has had several incidents of violence, arrests, restraining orders, and lying to the courts. He is not your average law abiding citizen, and yet it's someone who has never been in trouble with the law that is being painted as a thug, while the real thug is being painted as a paragon of virtue. Ludicrous.

What's "ludicrous" is for you to make the claim that Trayvon Martin has never been in trouble with the law. He's a minor. His court records are sealed. He could very well have had numerous brushes with the law that you and I will never be privy to.

It's also amusing to watch you repeatedly try to paint George Zimmerman as a "thug" when his worst transgressions against society were to push an undercover officer's arm away and get into a trading of restraining orders with an ex girlfriend. You're right...he's NOT the average citizen because the average citizen has MORE infractions of the law on their record than Zimmerman.

Ha,ha, I can't believe you are actually saying that......he was ordered to take anger management - that ought to tell you what kind of temper Mr. DoNoWrong has.

If George Zimmerman really DOES have this explosive temper...as you now maintain? Kindly point out some examples of it in his life? You do realize that the liberal media has crawled up his ass with a microscope looking for ANYTHING they can use to portray him as the "angry racist gun owner turned vigilante" and basically come up with NADA?

The anger management class he was ordered to take is the game that our court systems play. Get a speeding ticket...go to traffic school and pay a couple hundred bucks and they don't put points on your license. Get a DUI...go to substance abuse classes and pay a couple hundred buck and they'll give you a lighter sentence. Get arrested on a bogus assaulting a police officer charge...go to anger management class and pay a couple hundred dollars and they drop it down to a misdemeanor. George Zimmerman doesn't HAVE a history of violence! I know you'd LIKE him to but that fact is he really doesn't.
 
Them niggs got bigger dix, all & all ................ you must admit .............. this is why he got shot.
Personally I don't think an individual should have the power to end someones life in the heat of the moment .......
eg. You just get your ass kicked by a child ......... extremely humiliating, and you think to yourself ...... a young strapping black man kicked my as with little effort, it won't be long before he is fuckin a hot looking white girl with his much bigger & preferred anatomy, and ill be hugging my pillow tonight as I cry myself to sleep .......... the rage caused the small dicked Mexican to shoot .......... this is why guns must be confiscated.
 
Right, but the other poster was insinuating that I was counting the same offense twice, when it doesn't really matter, it was just the fact that GZ would have a record if his dad hadn't bailed him.

GZ does have a record, obviously.
As for the underlined part, that's an assumption, unless you have proof.

Oh yeah, like I'm sure his dad and the court submitted an article about it to the newspapers!

So, you have no proof that GZs father intervened.

Got it!
 
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And he was not arrested for domestic violence...he had a restraining order taken out against him by his ex...while she had a similar order taken out against her. Get your facts straight...

Have you ever had a restraining order taken out on you? Have you ever been arrested or charged with resisting arrest? Have you ever been required by the court to take an anger management course and/or get counseling for anger control issues? I haven't. I don't think the average, calm and under self control citizen has either. George Zimmerman has issues of self control, of violent tendencies. He is not your average, law abidding citizen. Have you ever lied to a court, when you are under arrest, lied to a court about your finances? Come on. This is not a regular guy. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

I've been arrested three times. Once for "Indecent Exposure" for streaking the UMass campus back when that was all the rage, once for fighting in Aspen, Colorado when I threw some drunk college kids out of a bar and ended up getting into a brawl with them and once for speeding on my motorcycle in Utah. What I find laughable, Esmeralda is that you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's more "calm and under self control" than I yet under your definition of who is "regular"...I'd flunk. By the way ALL of those charges were either reduced or dropped because I am a law abiding citizen and the courts realized that.
 
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