The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Vox]

You claimed they made up the term, they did not.
And when filling out documents like census one lists themselves as either non white Hispanic/ Latino or white Hispanic/Latino. With a white father which box do you think he checks?

They did. It is NOT used in any official documents - like census forms

 

[BreezeWood]

If all the state has to argue is ill will, spite and Zimmerman has bad breath this case has long been lost.
But I still want to hear Zimmerman say he was defending himself and was hit first before I find him not guilty of murder.

i agree, it was because of Zimmerman the confrontation took place .... and his use of a weapon that brought it to a conclusion -

without his testimony against cross examination the jury is ill suited to exonerate his actions.


for the jury, was the ill will and spite enough to cause TM to strike back, first ....


the Assault laws in Florida before NRA stupidity relied greatly on not who started the issue but who caused the greatest damage - for in the long run that was the proof of the criminal.

 

[testarosa]

I'm totally bummed about Pam.

 

[Luissa]

He's listed as Hispanic on legal documents. And that's all that counts. He is not White. Just like Barack Obama is not referred to as a 'White-African American.' He lists himself as Black on all legal documents. And the MSM knows this. They're using their absurd 'White-Hispanic' term to incite racial tension. Otherwise, they would be referring to him accurately as being Hispanic. Our MSM is corrupt. Period, end of story.

You claimed they made up the term, they did not.
And when filling out documents like census one lists themselves as either non white Hispanic/ Latino or white Hispanic/Latino. With a white father which box do you think he checks?

The same as Barack Obama does. Barack Obama lists himself as Black on legal documents. Zimmerman lists himself as Hispanic. What are you not getting?

What are you not getting?
Have you never filled out the census or a job application?

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

All I saw was the school cop found some junk jewelry and a screwdriver in his bag and something about TM saying a friend gave it to him to carry.

If you have time go look some more I think Aye posted links on here too.

Looked some more... all confirms what has been said. He had some junk in his bag. He said someone gave him the junk. The junk in his bag was never tied to any crime. So at best he's guilty of receiving / carrying "potentially" stolen property from someone at school. This identified from the unconstitutional breaking and entering of the school cop without a warrant, based on the school cop seeing TM write WTF on the wall. Stupid maybe. Heading down the wrong path, admittedly. Troubled teen, definitely. Thug? He won't get a chance to become a real thug.

Below is the link I had posted previously, that Testa is more than likely talking about.....

M-DSPD Cover Up ? The Curious Case Of Trayvon Martin?s Backpack With Stolen Jewelry and Burglary Tool? | The Last Refuge

This discusses the cover-up by the school, school district, and local police.

Another about the cover-up:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...affairs-investigation-trayvon-martin-foia-11/

The next link will explain WHY the cover-up began in the first place:

Why Did They Kill Trayvon Martin? He Really Was Profiled, Only Not By George Zimmerman? | The Last Refuge

 

[Vox]

You claimed they made up the term, they did not.
And when filling out documents like census one lists themselves as either non white Hispanic/ Latino or white Hispanic/Latino. With a white father which box do you think he checks?

The same as Barack Obama does. Barack Obama lists himself as Black on legal documents. Zimmerman lists himself as Hispanic. What are you not getting?

What are you not getting?
Have you never filled out the census or a job application?

there is no "white hispanic" category
and even if there would be, Z does not fit one

 

[Luissa]

White Hispanic is 100% racially white( caucasian) and ethnically from Latin America, like Carlos Menem or Giselle Bundchen.
Which is moronic, btw as a term and it is NOT used in official documents or census

It isn't? I have seen the term about hundred times on official documents.

"In the United States, a White Hispanic or White Latino[17] is a citizen or resident who is racially white and of Hispanic descent. White American, itself an official U.S. racial category, refers to people "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa" who reside in the United States.[18]"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans

That's weird, it is a official racial category.
You should look up the difference between race and ethnicity.


"Based on the definitions created by the Office of Management and Budget and the U.S. Census Bureau, the concepts of race and ethnicity are mutually independent, and respondents to the census and other Census Bureau surveys are asked to answer both questions. Hispanicity is independent of race, and constitutes an ethnicity category, as opposed to a racial category, the only one of which that is officially collated by the U.S. Census Bureau"

 

[Luissa]

The same as Barack Obama does. Barack Obama lists himself as Black on legal documents. Zimmerman lists himself as Hispanic. What are you not getting?

What are you not getting?
Have you never filled out the census or a job application?

there is no "white hispanic" category
and even if there would be, Z does not fit one

Just filled out two applications and a state form that asked if I was non white hispanic or white hispanic.

 

[Luissa]

You claimed they made up the term, they did not.
And when filling out documents like census one lists themselves as either non white Hispanic/ Latino or white Hispanic/Latino. With a white father which box do you think he checks?

They did. It is NOT used in any official documents - like census forms

No they didn't, and already proved they didn't.
And yes it is.

 

[Vox]

You claimed they made up the term, they did not.
And when filling out documents like census one lists themselves as either non white Hispanic/ Latino or white Hispanic/Latino. With a white father which box do you think he checks?

They did. It is NOT used in any official documents - like census forms

No they didn't, and already proved they didn't.
And yes it is.

yes, they did. He is NOT white hispanic and they invented the term.

It is not used on any official forms, like census.

 

[depotoo]

What term is that? White Hispanics?
They didn't invent that.

They invented it to stir up racial tensions. The man is Hispanic. Nowhere in legal documents is he listed as being White. He has always been listed as Hispanic. Does the MSM refer to Barack Obama as being a 'White-African American'? No, of course not. Barack Obama considers himself an African American, and is listed as such on legal documents. Zimmerman has always referred to himself as being Hispanic. The MSM has simply lied again. It is what it is.

No they didn't.

"In the United States, a White Hispanic or White Latino[17] is a citizen or resident who is racially white and of Hispanic descent. White American, itself an official U.S. racial category, refers to people "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa" who reside in the United States.[18]"
White Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Zimmerman is a white Hispanic, MSM didn't make that up or the term.

from the 2000 census -

• White;
• Black or African American;
• American Indian or Alaska Native;
• Asian; and
• Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific
Islander.
For respondents unable to identify
with any of these five race categories,
the OMB approved including a
sixth category — “Some other race”
— on the Census 2000 questionnaire.
The category Some other race
is used in Census 2000 and a few
other federal data collection activities.
As discussed later, most respondents
who reported Some other race
are Hispanic. For definitions of the
race categories used in Census
2000, see the box on page 2.
Table 1.
Population by Race and Hispanic Origin for the United
States: 2000
Race and Hispanic or Latino Number
Percent of total
population
RACE
Total population . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 281,421,906 100.0
One race . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 274,595,678 97.6
White . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 211,460,626 75.1
Black or African American . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 34,658,190 12.3
American Indian and Alaska Native . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2,475,956 0.9
Asian. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,242,998 3.6
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander . . . . . . . . . 398,835 0.1
Some other race. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15,359,073 5.5
Two or more races. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6,826,228 2.4
HISPANIC OR LATINO
Total population . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 281,421,906 100.0
Hispanic or Latino . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35,305,818 12.5
Not Hispanic or Latino. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 246,116,088 87.5

http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/cenbr01-1.pdf

 

[Vox]

What are you not getting?
Have you never filled out the census or a job application?

there is no "white hispanic" category
and even if there would be, Z does not fit one

Just filled out two applications and a state form that asked if I was non white hispanic or white hispanic.

just filled some myself and there were none of "white hispanic" categories and I live in a state with abundant Hispanic population

 

[Luissa]

They invented it to stir up racial tensions. The man is Hispanic. Nowhere in legal documents is he listed as being White. He has always been listed as Hispanic. Does the MSM refer to Barack Obama as being a 'White-African American'? No, of course not. Barack Obama considers himself an African American, and is listed as such on legal documents. Zimmerman has always referred to himself as being Hispanic. The MSM has simply lied again. It is what it is.

No they didn't.

"In the United States, a White Hispanic or White Latino[17] is a citizen or resident who is racially white and of Hispanic descent. White American, itself an official U.S. racial category, refers to people "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa" who reside in the United States.[18]"
White Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Zimmerman is a white Hispanic, MSM didn't make that up or the term.

from the 2000 census -

• White;
• Black or African American;
• American Indian or Alaska Native;
• Asian; and
• Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific
Islander.
For respondents unable to identify
with any of these five race categories,
the OMB approved including a
sixth category — “Some other race”
— on the Census 2000 questionnaire.
The category Some other race
is used in Census 2000 and a few
other federal data collection activities.
As discussed later, most respondents
who reported Some other race
are Hispanic. For definitions of the
race categories used in Census
2000, see the box on page 2.
Table 1.
Population by Race and Hispanic Origin for the United
States: 2000
Race and Hispanic or Latino Number
Percent of total
population
RACE
Total population . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 281,421,906 100.0
One race . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 274,595,678 97.6
White . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 211,460,626 75.1
Black or African American . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 34,658,190 12.3
American Indian and Alaska Native . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2,475,956 0.9
Asian. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,242,998 3.6
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander . . . . . . . . . 398,835 0.1
Some other race. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15,359,073 5.5
Two or more races. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6,826,228 2.4
HISPANIC OR LATINO
Total population . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 281,421,906 100.0
Hispanic or Latino . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35,305,818 12.5
Not Hispanic or Latino. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 246,116,088 87.5

http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/cenbr01-1.pdf

Try looking up the 2010 census.

 

[Vox]

They invented it to stir up racial tensions. The man is Hispanic. Nowhere in legal documents is he listed as being White. He has always been listed as Hispanic. Does the MSM refer to Barack Obama as being a 'White-African American'? No, of course not. Barack Obama considers himself an African American, and is listed as such on legal documents. Zimmerman has always referred to himself as being Hispanic. The MSM has simply lied again. It is what it is.

No they didn't.

"In the United States, a White Hispanic or White Latino[17] is a citizen or resident who is racially white and of Hispanic descent. White American, itself an official U.S. racial category, refers to people "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa" who reside in the United States.[18]"
White Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Zimmerman is a white Hispanic, MSM didn't make that up or the term.

from the 2000 census -

• White;
• Black or African American;
• American Indian or Alaska Native;
• Asian; and
• Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific
Islander.
For respondents unable to identify
with any of these five race categories,
the OMB approved including a
sixth category — “Some other race”
— on the Census 2000 questionnaire.
The category Some other race
is used in Census 2000 and a few
other federal data collection activities.
As discussed later, most respondents
who reported Some other race
are Hispanic. For definitions of the
race categories used in Census
2000, see the box on page 2.
Table 1.
Population by Race and Hispanic Origin for the United
States: 2000
Race and Hispanic or Latino Number
Percent of total
population
RACE
Total population . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 281,421,906 100.0
One race . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 274,595,678 97.6
White . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 211,460,626 75.1
Black or African American . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 34,658,190 12.3
American Indian and Alaska Native . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2,475,956 0.9
Asian. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,242,998 3.6
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander . . . . . . . . . 398,835 0.1
Some other race. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15,359,073 5.5
Two or more races. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6,826,228 2.4
HISPANIC OR LATINO
Total population . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 281,421,906 100.0
Hispanic or Latino . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35,305,818 12.5
Not Hispanic or Latino. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 246,116,088 87.5

http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/cenbr01-1.pdf

EXACTLY.

There is no of a category "white hispanic" on the census forms.
They use the category of more than one race for multiracial origin people

 

[Rinata]

We all know how the altercation "went down". The injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head prove that when he was knocked to the ground, his head landed on the concrete. He was sucker punched. Then as Zimmerman lie there helpless to blows, he has his nose broken. Next, he has his head repeatedly driven into the dog-walk, which results in the two lacerations you see. At some point during the fight Zimmerman tries to slide out from under Martin, but in doing so reveals his holster with the weapon inside. Martin reaches for (doesn't touch) Zimmerman's firearm, and utters the words "you're going to die tonight motherfucker!" at that point after hearing such a threat, Zimmerman acted in genuine fear for his life, pulled the gun out and fatally wounds the teenager.

It can't be any more precise than that (to this point).

Do you REALLY believe that?? You poor thing!!! I'm guessing you still believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and The Tooth Fairy!!!

Had GZ been black and TM a white, the libatards would be accusing TM of being a racist from birth, a juvenile delinquent, and a hateful thug attacking poor innocent Zimmerman!

Identity politics is the last form of racism left in this country that is given legal preference and protection.

It is time to end racism starting by bleaching all racial references from the legal code and bureaucratic regulations, and then kick all the race baiting thugs from office.

I've never said GZ is a racist. He is a typical ignorant gun nut wannabe cop. He was looking for trouble and could not wait to shoot somebody. There are a lot more Zimmerman's out there too. This is not the last time we will hear this story. The night of the murder GZ was going to Target and had a loaded gun on his person. Idiot.

 

[Luissa]

there is no "white hispanic" category
and even if there would be, Z does not fit one

Just filled out two applications and a state form that asked if I was non white hispanic or white hispanic.

just filled some myself and there were none of "white hispanic" categories and I live in a state with abundant Hispanic population

So?
MSM did not make up the term, the US government did.
Paulitician is full of it.

 

[Foxfyre]

This judge has certainly given all the breaks to the prosecution and almost none to the defense. That has become increasingly obvious. Deliberate or due to bias? Who knows. But if appearances count for anything, then yes, she is favoring the Martin side, perhaps to protect herself from the predictable public reaction if there is an acquittal? Or I can also accept Ilar's take on it.

The Defense is not really that good. You all would like to think they are but West for instance will stand and object to something giving some rambling reason and not a law.

He rambles on a lot as a matter of fact. His opening went on and on, he asks things over and over. It isn't the fault of the witness if he can't form a direct question. O'Mara is just an asshole. If Zimmerman goes to jail, it's partially their fault.

I rather think you are either watching a different trial or you long ago gave up any objectivity whatsoever re this one. I have not only been watching the trial and, while I claim no expertise whatsoever in criminal law, I have spent a LOT of hours watching trials. And in my opinion, despite a shaky start that nobody thought smart, the defense has since done a great job. And the lawyer types who are also watching and commenting on the process also agree that the defense has done superbly.

Yeah, they screwed up a few minutes of the opening remarks, but ended them effectively. They kept Trayvon's mother on the stand too long. But otherwise, I haven't seen much to gig them on.

The prosecution, on the other hand, day after day seemed to be making the defense's case for them.

 

[Rinata]

Trayvon Martin Supporters Planning To Riot & Loot If Zimmerman Walks // Mr. Conservative

Thugs- I'm ready, are you?

-Geaux

Keep it up. You'll end up in a cell next to Zimmerman.

 

[Luissa]

No they didn't.

"In the United States, a White Hispanic or White Latino[17] is a citizen or resident who is racially white and of Hispanic descent. White American, itself an official U.S. racial category, refers to people "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa" who reside in the United States.[18]"
White Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Zimmerman is a white Hispanic, MSM didn't make that up or the term.

from the 2000 census -

• White;
• Black or African American;
• American Indian or Alaska Native;
• Asian; and
• Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific
Islander.
For respondents unable to identify
with any of these five race categories,
the OMB approved including a
sixth category — “Some other race”
— on the Census 2000 questionnaire.
The category Some other race
is used in Census 2000 and a few
other federal data collection activities.
As discussed later, most respondents
who reported Some other race
are Hispanic. For definitions of the
race categories used in Census
2000, see the box on page 2.
Table 1.
Population by Race and Hispanic Origin for the United
States: 2000
Race and Hispanic or Latino Number
Percent of total
population
RACE
Total population . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 281,421,906 100.0
One race . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 274,595,678 97.6
White . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 211,460,626 75.1
Black or African American . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 34,658,190 12.3
American Indian and Alaska Native . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2,475,956 0.9
Asian. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,242,998 3.6
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander . . . . . . . . . 398,835 0.1
Some other race. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15,359,073 5.5
Two or more races. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6,826,228 2.4
HISPANIC OR LATINO
Total population . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 281,421,906 100.0
Hispanic or Latino . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35,305,818 12.5
Not Hispanic or Latino. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 246,116,088 87.5

http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/cenbr01-1.pdf

EXACTLY.

There is no of a category "white hispanic" on the census forms.

In 2000 there wasn't. What year is it now?

 

[TemplarKormac]

You claimed they made up the term, they did not.
And when filling out documents like census one lists themselves as either non white Hispanic/ Latino or white Hispanic/Latino. With a white father which box do you think he checks?

The same as Barack Obama does. Barack Obama lists himself as Black on legal documents. Zimmerman lists himself as Hispanic. What are you not getting?

What are you not getting?
Have you never filled out the census or a job application?

Although I still see Zimmerman as innocent, there is such a thing as "White Hispanic"

White Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I do not take well to disinformation. At any rate, Liberals still should be ashamed of themselves for inserting race into this case.

If Zimmerman were black and Trayvon were white...

"Oh well, shit happens. Trayvon was racist for attacking a black guy anyway."