The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Snookie]

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[Sarah G]

Judge Rules Trayvon Martin’s Drug Use and History of Violence Not Currently Admissible in Court

May 28 2013

George Zimmerman’s defense team last week publicly released the contents of Trayvon Martin’s cell phone. On the phone they found text messages and images relating to street fighting, drug use, illegal gun ownership and problems at school/home.

In a recent ruling the judge for the case, Debra Nelson, said that evidence will not be initially admissible. Zimmerman’s defense team hopes to introduce the evidence to show that Martin had a predisposition to engage in fighting and violent behavior and possibly show him as the aggressor.

According to CBS News,

Nelson ruled Tuesday that George Zimmerman’s defense may not bring up Trayvon Martin’s past marijuana use, school suspensions or fighting at trial without another ruling granting them permission

This likely means that Nelson would only allow information about Martin’s past if the prosecution brings up Zimmerman’s past first.

Also recently released were higher resolution, color photos of George Zimmerman’s injuries, showing more physical damage than initial black and white photos initially released.​

Judge Rules Trayvon Martin?s Drug Use and History of Violence Not Currently Admissible in Court

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Text messages about Martin's smoking marijuana and trouble at school were released by Zimmerman's defense attorneys last week. The photos released by the defense team also show Martin blowing smoke and making an obscene gesture toward the camera.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, told the judge that Martin's marijuana use and past fighting was central to the argument that Zimmerman used self-defense when he confronted Martin last year at a gated community in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder. He has pleaded not guilty.

"We have a lot of evidence that marijuana use had something to do with the event," O'Mara said. "It could have affected his behavior."

Also on Tuesday, Nelson ruled that a toxicology test showing that Martin had marijuana in his system at the time of his death could not be discussed during opening statements.

The judge ruled against a defense request that the pool of jury candidates be sequestered during jury selection. Nelson denied a prosecution request for a gag order that would prohibit attorneys from talking about the case.​

Trayvon Martin Update: Judge denies delay of George Zimmerman's June 10 murder trial - Crimesider - CBS News


So Trayvan's history of violence and drug use isn't admissible. Strange that is the thing that led to this incident in the first place. The judge is desperately trying to make a conviction easy yet the prosecution still is having problems proving their case.

Trayvan's history of violence and drug use should NOT be admissible! Trayvon simply wanted to get home with his Skittles and tea. His mindset was not to attack and beat anyone he came across that night... He did not attack the clerk in the store where he bought his Skittles and tea, did he? Where was that uncontrollable violent beast that some right wing media sources are trying to conjure up with allusions to Martin's youthful misdemeanors?

Has anyone stopped to remember that Martin was confronted by and killed by Zimmerman.
Martin was minding his own business...It was Zimmerman who invaded Martin's space and
behaved in a manner that apparently provoked a confrontation. He made Martin feel threatened. BINGO! If Martin had been armed he would have been justified in shooting and killing Zimmerman... that is, if he was anyone other than a black teenager.

Zimmerman has proven to be a liar, a killer and a con artist! From that perspective it is hard to believe that he has become a cult hero of the right wingers. All it took was for Black people to seek justice on a national appeal when it seemed there would be none locally. That brought the closet racists and freaks out of the woodwork even though Zimmerman looks like a mestizo. The shame of Sandford, Fla. has left a stain in the fabric of American justice that is not fading anytime soon!

Hope the jury remembers all that. Nice post.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

In your face with nancy grapes. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...1.0j7j1.8.0...0.0.0..1ac.1.17.img.AqPbP3IGNf8

 

[Rat in the Hat]

 

[Sarah G]

You DO have the right to shoot another person when that other person is beating you and pounding your head into the pavement if, under those circumstances, you reasonably feel that your life is in peril or your are facing the risk of serious physical injury because of the beat down.

It doesn't matter if the other guy is armed or not. Oh, and that kind of a beat down IS breaking the law.

Quite often, the one who resorts to self defense IS the only surviving witness.

The only problem with that..is that you have to establish that it was the type of beating that warranted the action.

You make thing a few boo boos are life threatening. I don't.

And given that it was Zimmerman that initiated the incident, I think that "self defense" here should require, at the very least, a reasonable fear that death was imminent.

Yup, Zimmerman had no business asking a black man what he was doing wandering out in some strange neighborhood.

He didn't. That was in his training manual for the neighborhood watch program. If he had stayed in his car and reported Trayvon to the police, Trayvon would be alive today. A neighborhood watch person has no right to ask the kid, you, me, anyone what they are doing there.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

And the DD tweet show is still going on, even though she knows she isn't supposed to do this since she's still under oath to be recalled......

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[JQPublic1]

Ummmm, and this is merely a guess...Trayvon was on top of GZ and the last time I checked gravity wants to push things towards the center of the planet...not out into space.
That would explain the cut to the back of his head and the obviously messed up nose in the pictures.

Do you also know that things like hands are movable objects that can defy gravity? The fingers can also reach around behind objects like GZ's head to get a firmer grasp while the thumbs are placed somewhere near the face to facilitate a more secure "hold." Meanwhile, a struggle is ensuing which means GZ was probably turning his head from side to side to avoid blows from at least one of Martin's fists or open hands. You failed the physics test, sir!

Please note I don't approve of what GZ did, but you armchair CSI types are amusing as hell.
You ignore basic physics and believe whatever the CSI BS you watched last night. The real world works different from TV and you should take that into consideration. Real cases are messy and rarely go together easy. In fact good detectives are always suspicious when a case falls together easy because THAT isn't normal.

Well, I guess it takes an armchair CSI type to know one. Welcome to the club! I see that your lack of experience stands out way above the rest of us O' great teacher! You don't have a clue as to what some of us "armchair CSI types know or have experienced." Careful, you might be surprised by the real life expertise some here have in matters like these! BTW, evidence at the crime scene has been poorly handled from the start. I have seen nothing to support the claim that GZ's head was banged against concrete at all... He had injuries to his head but was any of GZ's blood or DNA found on concrete consistent with his story? Did the cops even look?

 

[Ernie S.]

Some of you may see the significance of this. Don't worry Crusader. Rags will be back soon.

FINALLY! The bunny is 'splained.

It's a rabbit thing that not many of you could comprehend.

So far, Rat and maybe Aye have grasped what I was doing.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

And the DD tweet show is still going on, even though she knows she isn't supposed to do this since she's still under oath to be recalled......

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That's because she truly believes that "Rules are for suckers".

 

[testarosa]

And the DD tweet show is still going on, even though she knows she isn't supposed to do this since she's still under oath to be recalled......

Ms.Rachel Jeantel ‏@MsRachel_94 5 Jul
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Ms.Rachel Jeantel ‏@MsRachel_94 5 Jul
I might smile,laugh,drink but its all out of stress,confusion,pain,and sadness all this on a 18yrs old last year wow
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That's because she truly believes that "Rules are for suckers".

Or retards.

Shez b tweetin wi shez homies an don't b knowin theyz b watchin huhself

 

[Rat in the Hat]

And the DD tweet show is still going on, even though she knows she isn't supposed to do this since she's still under oath to be recalled......

Ms.Rachel Jeantel ‏@MsRachel_94 5 Jul
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Ms.Rachel Jeantel ‏@MsRachel_94 5 Jul
I might smile,laugh,drink but its all out of stress,confusion,pain,and sadness all this on a 18yrs old last year wow
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That's because she truly believes that "Rules are for suckers".

Or retards.

Shez b tweetin wi shez homies an don't b knowin theyz b watchin huhself

Sheez gawn be in fo a big suhprizin iffin dey beez aksin hur about hur tweetinin an shit onna stand.

 

[Immanuel]

That's funny. A stupid assertion for sure, but also funny. Amazingly enough one doesn't need to scratch someone to slam their head into the sidewalk. Or to pound them with their fist etc.

Frankly had the DA gone with criminally negligent homicide I think they would have won their case hands down. But charging murder 2 and then with their presentation of the case being such a joke....I think they are in serious trouble.

But, as always, the jury will decide and they can be fickle things.

Actually, they kinda do............................

Especially if the person they are slamming has a broken nose and is spewing blood all over the place (as GZ claimed).

Ever had a broken nose? 95 percent of the time, you spew like a geyser.

The other 5 percent of the time, at least you have a runner (which is a slight nosebleed).

I've never had a broken nose (and I've had at least 3) without some blood coming through.

Why was there none of GZ's DNA on Trayvon?

Ummmm, and this is merely a guess...Trayvon was on top of GZ and the last time I checked gravity wants to push things towards the center of the planet...not out into space.
That would explain the cut to the back of his head and the obviously messed up nose in the pictures.

Please note I don't approve of what GZ did, but you armchair CSI types are amusing as hell.
You ignore basic physics and believe whatever the CSI BS you watched last night. The real world works different from TV and you should take that into consideration. Real cases are messy and rarely go together easy. In fact good detectives are always suspicious when a case falls together easy because THAT isn't normal.

While I think DNA from Z would have been on M, I do not think it would have necessarily been under his nails.

Thank you for pointing out that simply believing that Z did not commit murder does not equate to approving of his actions. I, personally, think Z put himself into a dangerous situation needlessly. He could have easily let the police deal with the problem, if there even was a problem, but I think he was playing hero. That being said, it does not mean he ever expected the tide to turn in the manner it did.

By the way, why has no one mentioned the I-4 shooting from last week? Now that is apparently murder, but it seems to me that since they cannot play the race card everyone ignores it.

Mistaken identity, not road rage, led to I-4 shooting

Besides the fact that Trayvon lost his life, my sympathy resides with his parents and family. They have lost a loved one and if things play out as they could, they will feel as if justice let them down.

Immie

 

[Ernie S.]

And the DD tweet show is still going on, even though she knows she isn't supposed to do this since she's still under oath to be recalled......

Ms.Rachel Jeantel ‏@MsRachel_94 5 Jul
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I might smile,laugh,drink but its all out of stress,confusion,pain,and sadness all this on a 18yrs old last year wow
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That's because she truly believes that "Rules are for suckers".

Rulz beez foe creepy azz crackahs.

 

[testarosa]

Dis he-ah fo um b f'd wi da ji tawkin

 

[paulitician]

Getting really tired of all this race talk. Haven't we intermingled enough that we are all just Americans yet? Sure would be nice.

Pretty much what Morgan Freeman once said. But there are so many who profit from stirring the pot. It's been my experience that people who cry Racism the most, are usually Racists themselves. Or they're just confused misguided White Socialists/Progressives. Pay close attention next time to who's doing the Race-Baiting. Odds are, that particular person is a Racist.

I definitely hear ya on your point. People just need to stop talking about it. It's not nearly the issue so many try make it out to be. Racism exists everywhere in the World, but i would say it's much less a problem here than most other parts of the World. More Americans just need to start calling the Race-Baiters on their Bullshite. Don't allow them to stir the pot.

 

[thanatos144]

Getting really tired of all this race talk. Haven't we intermingled enough that we are all just Americans yet? Sure would be nice.

Pretty much what Morgan Freeman once said. But there are so many who profit from stirring the pot. It's been my experience that people who cry Racism the most, are usually Racists themselves. Or they're just confused misguided White Socialists/Progressives. Pay close attention next time to who's doing the Race-Baiting. Odds are, that particular person is a Racist.

I definitely hear ya on your point. People just need to stop talking about it. It's not nearly the issue so many try make it out to be. Racism exists everywhere in the World, but i would say it's much less a problem here than most other parts of the World. More Americans just need to start calling the Race-Baiters on their Bullshite. Don't allow them to stir the pot.

Morgan Freeman is a race baiting tool.... Ot haven't you seen him talking endlessly about race since Obamas been elected

 

[JQPublic1]

I agree on the drug use but I don't agree with you on the violence aspect. That should be admissible because it establishes a pattern of behavior that supports GZ's side of the story.
Now I understand you don't really want justice to be served but that's how the legal system works.

When you are being stalked by an armed maniac and you try to defend yourself a relatively MILD pattern of violence in your history is immaterial! And with all the mishandling of evidence by the Sanford PD, buttressed by the initial and lingering belief that GZ was the victim, justice probably will NOT be served.
Perhaps the Sandford PD's history with Blacks should be admissible if you are interested in "patterns" of violence and racism. The initial SPD investigation did not benefit the prosecution's case due to extreme bias. The degree in which the SPD was complicit in creating justification for GZ's actions may never be known.

 

[paulitician]

Guilty till proven Innocent. Once our dummy President weighed in, the man was convicted. He has not received a fair trial. That sacred right has been violated. If found guilty, he should win on appeal.

 

[paulitician]

Getting really tired of all this race talk. Haven't we intermingled enough that we are all just Americans yet? Sure would be nice.

Pretty much what Morgan Freeman once said. But there are so many who profit from stirring the pot. It's been my experience that people who cry Racism the most, are usually Racists themselves. Or they're just confused misguided White Socialists/Progressives. Pay close attention next time to who's doing the Race-Baiting. Odds are, that particular person is a Racist.

I definitely hear ya on your point. People just need to stop talking about it. It's not nearly the issue so many try make it out to be. Racism exists everywhere in the World, but i would say it's much less a problem here than most other parts of the World. More Americans just need to start calling the Race-Baiters on their Bullshite. Don't allow them to stir the pot.

Morgan Freeman is a race baiting tool.... Ot haven't you seen him talking in their sleep about race since Obamas been elected

I haven't seen those comments. I've only read his comments on how Americans just need to get over it and stop talking about it. It's not nearly the issue many make it out to be.

 

[Truthseeker420]

I found it...

Are you shitting yourself "Truth"seeker?

Is that rhetorical?