The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Ernie S.]

Guilty till proven Innocent. Once our dummy President weighed in, the man was convicted. He has not received a fair trial. That sacred right has been violated. If found guilty, he should win on appeal.

Some Law Professor, that barack, huh?

 

[RKMBrown]

Guilty till proven Innocent. Once our dummy President weighed in, the man was convicted. He has not received a fair trial. That sacred right has been violated. If found guilty, he should win on appeal.

Yawn

 

[thanatos144]

Pretty much what Morgan Freeman once said. But there are so many who profit from stirring the pot. It's been my experience that people who cry Racism the most, are usually Racists themselves. Or they're just confused misguided White Socialists/Progressives. Pay close attention next time to who's doing the Race-Baiting. Odds are, that particular person is a Racist.

I definitely hear ya on your point. People just need to stop talking about it. It's not nearly the issue so many try make it out to be. Racism exists everywhere in the World, but i would say it's much less a problem here than most other parts of the World. More Americans just need to start calling the Race-Baiters on their Bullshite. Don't allow them to stir the pot.

Morgan Freeman is a race baiting tool.... Ot haven't you seen him talking in their sleep about race since Obamas been elected

I haven't seen those comments. I've only read his comments on how Americans just need to get over it and stop talking about it. It's not nearly the issue many make it out to be.

He changed that tune mighty quick after Obama got elected

 

[paulitician]

Guilty till proven Innocent. Once our dummy President weighed in, the man was convicted. He has not received a fair trial. That sacred right has been violated. If found guilty, he should win on appeal.

Yawn

Aw, still upset Zimmerman's not an 'Evil White Man' ay? That whole Hispanic thing's still got you down. So sorry to disappoint.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Truthseeker! The truth you seek...is right here. vvv

Zimmerman was concerned
for the boys safety!
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I don't see any other question but If you are suggesting because Zimmerman implies he was concerned for a black child you are not convincing me. The only purpose of Zimmerman calling the police was to harass blacks. How many white kids did he call the police on for walking down the street?

 

[paulitician]

Morgan Freeman is a race baiting tool.... Ot haven't you seen him talking in their sleep about race since Obamas been elected

I haven't seen those comments. I've only read his comments on how Americans just need to get over it and stop talking about it. It's not nearly the issue many make it out to be.

He changed that tune mighty quick after Obama got elected

That could be. I might not be up on things. I'll look into it. But his original point was a wise & valid one.

 

[testarosa]

Guilty till proven Innocent. Once our dummy President weighed in, the man was convicted. He has not received a fair trial. That sacred right has been violated. If found guilty, he should win on appeal.

Yawn

Dropped your soap pardner.

 

[RKMBrown]

Guilty till proven Innocent. Once our dummy President weighed in, the man was convicted. He has not received a fair trial. That sacred right has been violated. If found guilty, he should win on appeal.

Yawn

Aw, still upset Zimmerman's not an 'Evil White Man' ay? That whole Hispanic thing's still got you down. So sorry to disappoint.

Hey I hate our President as much as the next guy... but, it's a bit of a stretch to blame this trial on him.

 

[RKMBrown]

Guilty till proven Innocent. Once our dummy President weighed in, the man was convicted. He has not received a fair trial. That sacred right has been violated. If found guilty, he should win on appeal.

Yawn

Dropped your soap pardner.

It's a co-ed shower...

 

[paulitician]

Yawn

Aw, still upset Zimmerman's not an 'Evil White Man' ay? That whole Hispanic thing's still got you down. So sorry to disappoint.

Hey I hate our President as much as the next guy... but, it's a bit of a stretch to blame this trial on him.

No stretch at all. He made it virtually impossible for him to receive a fair trial. His comments early on were just plain stupid. The man has already been convicted. If he is found guilty, he'll have a good chance on appeal. All American Citizens are entitled to a fair trial.

 

[westwall]

Ummmm, and this is merely a guess...Trayvon was on top of GZ and the last time I checked gravity wants to push things towards the center of the planet...not out into space.
That would explain the cut to the back of his head and the obviously messed up nose in the pictures.

Do you also know that things like hands are movable objects that can defy gravity? The fingers can also reach around behind objects like GZ's head to get a firmer grasp while the thumbs are placed somewhere near the face to facilitate a more secure "hold." Meanwhile, a struggle is ensuing which means GZ was probably turning his head from side to side to avoid blows from at least one of Martin's fists or open hands. You failed the physics test, sir!

Please note I don't approve of what GZ did, but you armchair CSI types are amusing as hell.
You ignore basic physics and believe whatever the CSI BS you watched last night. The real world works different from TV and you should take that into consideration. Real cases are messy and rarely go together easy. In fact good detectives are always suspicious when a case falls together easy because THAT isn't normal.

Well, I guess it takes an armchair CSI type to know one. Welcome to the club! I see that your lack of experience stands out way above the rest of us O' great teacher! You don't have a clue as to what some of us "armchair CSI types know or have experienced." Careful, you might be surprised by the real life expertise some here have in matters like these! BTW, evidence at the crime scene has been poorly handled from the start. I have seen nothing to support the claim that GZ's head was banged against concrete at all... He had injuries to his head but was any of GZ's blood or DNA found on concrete consistent with his story? Did the cops even look?

Oh yes I know all of that. You still are making up a lot of assumptions. I don't know what the cops did or didn't do in their investigation. Based on how little the DA presented my assumption is the cops did little on the scene investigation otherwise there would have been a better presentation.

I have considerable real world experience sonny....I am a officer of the court myself and have testified in over 75 court cases over a period of 35 years as an expert witness so you may take your assertions and do with them what you please....but your knowledge of the legal system is severly lacking.....like most CSI wannabe's

 

[westwall]

I agree on the drug use but I don't agree with you on the violence aspect. That should be admissible because it establishes a pattern of behavior that supports GZ's side of the story.
Now I understand you don't really want justice to be served but that's how the legal system works.

When you are being stalked by an armed maniac and you try to defend yourself a relatively MILD pattern of violence in your history is immaterial! And with all the mishandling of evidence by the Sanford PD, buttressed by the initial and lingering belief that GZ was the victim, justice probably will NOT be served.
Perhaps the Sandford PD's history with Blacks should be admissible if you are interested in "patterns" of violence and racism. The initial SPD investigation did not benefit the prosecution's case due to extreme bias. The degree in which the SPD was complicit in creating justification for GZ's actions may never be known.

Armed maniac? Hyperbole much?

 

[testarosa]

Yawn

Dropped your soap pardner.

It's a co-ed shower...

Pick up your own soap.

 

[RKMBrown]

Aw, still upset Zimmerman's not an 'Evil White Man' ay? That whole Hispanic thing's still got you down. So sorry to disappoint.

Hey I hate our President as much as the next guy... but, it's a bit of a stretch to blame this trial on him.

No stretch at all. He made it virtually impossible for him to receive a fair trial. His comments early on were just plain stupid. The man has already been convicted. If he is found guilty, he'll have a good chance on appeal. All American Citizens are entitled to a fair trial.

Project much? Just because you follow everything the President says and found GZ guilty in your heart based on the Presidents speech, does not mean everyone else did.

 

[RKMBrown]

Dropped your soap pardner.

It's a co-ed shower...

Pick up your own soap.

Rat tail towel snap time!

 

[paulitician]

Hey I hate our President as much as the next guy... but, it's a bit of a stretch to blame this trial on him.

No stretch at all. He made it virtually impossible for him to receive a fair trial. His comments early on were just plain stupid. The man has already been convicted. If he is found guilty, he'll have a good chance on appeal. All American Citizens are entitled to a fair trial.

Project much? Just because you follow everything the President says and found GZ guilty in your heart based on the Presidents speech, does not mean everyone else did.

Many do. Too many do. It was very unwise. His comments made it very difficult for Zimmerman to receive a fair trial. But that's not the only reason. The MSM declaring him "Evil White Man" was the final nail. We're all entitled to a fair trial.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The only problem with that..is that you have to establish that it was the type of beating that warranted the action.

You make thing a few boo boos are life threatening. I don't.

And given that it was Zimmerman that initiated the incident, I think that "self defense" here should require, at the very least, a reasonable fear that death was imminent.

GZ and his defense team DID establish that he got the kind of beating that warrants raising the claim of justification. NOW it is up to the STATE to DISPROVE it.

It is not the degree of injury suffered that justifies the action.

It is the kind of injury one reasonably feels, under the circumstances, that he is confronted with.

And no. I don't think a few boo boos are life threatening. But I DO think that if you have a guy on top of you pounding your noggin onto the pavement after you have had your nose broken by that guy, you MIGHT very well think that it is going to END badly for you. REAL badly. You might think you are about to have your skull busted or that you are about to die. (I also don't think a broken nose is anywhere near akin to a mere boo boo.)

YOU seem to think that such a thought process is unreasonable unless the injuries are already severe. I think you are simply and totally wrong on that point.

Who actually saw the "head bashing?" Anyone? We know the head hit the pavement because there is some blood. We also know Z was hit in the nose which would force the head back onto the cement which would result in one of those lumps and lacerations. Maybe hit twice in the nose and two lacerations and that's it. No DNA under his nails.

Then Z could have got his gun and shot M.

Would Z fear for his life after being hit in the nose? Maybe. Never experienced it. M was on top and didn't know what was next. Could Z could have announced, "Get up..I have a gun."
Maybe. M would be stupid to fight then, all Z would have to do is pull the trigger. Then he could say, M was warned.

Who cares if anybody saw it?

GZ spoke of it and has some injuries to the back of his head that tends to corroborate his account.

And I have no idea why anybody even pretends to care about no DNA under the nails. Completely irrelevant. Who would even EXPECT to find GZ's skin under TM's nails? That wouldn't be consistent with the account given by GZ, in fact.

There is not a thing in the evidence that undermines GZ's account that TM was on top and that TM was doing the old pound and ground. That is just a fact: not a thing in the record. And that's a problem for the State since the State has the obligation to disprove justification beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[JQPublic1]

Oh yes I know all of that. You still are making up a lot of assumptions. I don't know what the cops did or didn't do in their investigation. Based on how little the DA presented my assumption is the cops did little on the scene investigation otherwise there would have been a better presentation.

That's the nature of message boards, especially in cases like this. People who are not present in court can only speculate even if they have vast experience in similar cases! Did you come here to tell us that?

I have considerable real world experience sonny....I am a officer of the court myself and have testified in over 75 court cases over a period of 35 years as an expert witness so you may take your assertions and do with them what you please....but your knowledge of the legal system is severly lacking.....like most CSI wannabe's

I don't know you but I'll take your word that you are an officer of the court... sunny! Are you the court jester?
BTW, knowledge of the legal system is not the issue at present... The discussion is about physics: a discipline you seem to have a poor grasp of! Please don't tell me you are an expert in forensics after failing your own physics test right here on this thread!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That's almost the shootin' match.


There's little evidence now that Martin "grabbed" Zimmerman head and slammed it into the concrete.

Hence the dispelling of one of the major Zimmerman's lies.

That's funny. A stupid assertion for sure, but also funny. Amazingly enough one doesn't need to scratch someone to slam their head into the sidewalk. Or to pound them with their fist etc.

Frankly had the DA gone with criminally negligent homicide I think they would have won their case hands down. But charging murder 2 and then with their presentation of the case being such a joke....I think they are in serious trouble.

But, as always, the jury will decide and they can be fickle things.

Actually, they kinda do............................

Especially if the person they are slamming has a broken nose and is spewing blood all over the place (as GZ claimed).

Ever had a broken nose? 95 percent of the time, you spew like a geyser.

The other 5 percent of the time, at least you have a runner (which is a slight nosebleed).

I've never had a broken nose (and I've had at least 3) without some blood coming through.

Why was there none of GZ's DNA on Trayvon?

Zimmerman claimed he was spewing blood? When?

 

[RKMBrown]

No stretch at all. He made it virtually impossible for him to receive a fair trial. His comments early on were just plain stupid. The man has already been convicted. If he is found guilty, he'll have a good chance on appeal. All American Citizens are entitled to a fair trial.

Project much? Just because you follow everything the President says and found GZ guilty in your heart based on the Presidents speech, does not mean everyone else did.

Many do. Too many do. It was very unwise. His comments made it very difficult for Zimmerman to receive a fair trial. But that's not the only reason. The MSM declaring him "Evil White Man" was the final nail. We're all entitled to a fair trial.

Who are these many that do?

Again, project much? Why do you believe anything the msm makes up?