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Yeah...it also died down a bit when NBC was caught doctoring tapes in favor of trayvon and the race card....of course trayvons family was content with that being covered up for as long as it was. The family isnt fooling anyone, because their attorney is one of the biggest race baiters out there and he is working for them.
If you are black and on the jury, there will be enormous pressure for that person to "send a message" and convict. Im sure the defense will do everything in its power to keep black people off of the jury...I know that sounds bad...but if I was the defense attorney I wouldnt want to put a black person under that pressure.
I can't bring myself to believe that every person that is black is going to feel pressure to convict Z, even if there might be evidence to support his claim of self defense. Just as there as those that eat, sleep, breathe, and worship every word of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the Black Panthers, etc, there are those that despise what those same people stand for and their ways of going about bringing attention to their own causes. It's possible someone, regardless of race, will be on the jury that is dead set on the agenda of being hell-bent on convicting Z. It's also possible that someone that 'tainted' will do and say whatever they have to in order to be on the jury. All we can do is hope and pray that all involved in this trial aren't so full of hate for mankind that they refuse to see and hear the evidence from both sides in order to make an informed and educated decision.
If people bother to look at the evidence, they will see this is not about race. Whatever tendencies GZ had that can be construed as violent were not racially-based. He had a violent personal relationship at one point, and I guess he had resisting arrest or something else - all when he was younger. To me, he's young now. When this happened with TM, what was he? 28? That's very young to me. Not excusing it, just saying.
So the racial aspect has been entirely driven by the Martin family, as far as I see. And that's the coward's way out. Don't look at the facts, blame it on bias. Vigilantism. Racial profiling. Anything but our son who may have been partially culpable in his own death. Sorry, but it's been spun that way. It will be up to the system to find the truth and I'm not sure the people are strong enough to stand up to this all too convenient concept of perceived persecution.
I have my own ideas about this that's not PC so I'll refrain. But the true heroes are the minorities who refuse to be led down this false path and pursue the truth rather than succumbing to the stereotypical branding of issues with labels of "unfairness" and "bigotry". Nothing positive comes from that, ever. It's a constant wonderment why it keeps happening. Haven't these civic leaders learned yet? And, yes, Obama is one of those uninformed, supposedly PC, fools too. Absofuckinglutely.
If people bother to look at the evidence, they will see this is not about race. Whatever tendencies GZ had that can be construed as violent were not racially-based. He had a violent personal relationship at one point, and I guess he had resisting arrest or something else - all when he was younger. To me, he's young now. When this happened with TM, what was he? 28? That's very young to me. Not excusing it, just saying.
So the racial aspect has been entirely driven by the Martin family, as far as I see. And that's the coward's way out. Don't look at the facts, blame it on bias. Vigilantism. Racial profiling. Anything but our son who may have been partially culpable in his own death. Sorry, but it's been spun that way. It will be up to the system to find the truth and I'm not sure the people are strong enough to stand up to this all too convenient concept of perceived persecution.
I have my own ideas about this that's not PC so I'll refrain. But the true heroes are the minorities who refuse to be led down this false path and pursue the truth rather than succumbing to the stereotypical branding of issues with labels of "unfairness" and "bigotry". Nothing positive comes from that, ever. It's a constant wonderment why it keeps happening. Haven't these civic leaders learned yet? And, yes, Obama is one of those uninformed, supposedly PC, fools too. Absofuckinglutely.
Yep and if the jury doesnt vote the way they want...they will riot...if they do vote the way they want, then the intimidation worked and they will do it again. Somewhere the madness has to stop. Why cant we just have the case decided on the merits...as soon as the race card is pulled, I get rebellious...especially in this case where evidence was tampered with/withheld, tapes edited, etc., to MAKE it about race instead of the facts.
Its like we can't win with talent, so we cheat to win. I would be very concerned if I was the defense about getting a fair trial...it will cost Florida millions.
If people bother to look at the evidence, they will see this is not about race. Whatever tendencies GZ had that can be construed as violent were not racially-based. He had a violent personal relationship at one point, and I guess he had resisting arrest or something else - all when he was younger. To me, he's young now. When this happened with TM, what was he? 28? That's very young to me. Not excusing it, just saying.
So the racial aspect has been entirely driven by the Martin family, as far as I see. And that's the coward's way out. Don't look at the facts, blame it on bias. Vigilantism. Racial profiling. Anything but our son who may have been partially culpable in his own death. Sorry, but it's been spun that way. It will be up to the system to find the truth and I'm not sure the people are strong enough to stand up to this all too convenient concept of perceived persecution.
I have my own ideas about this that's not PC so I'll refrain. But the true heroes are the minorities who refuse to be led down this false path and pursue the truth rather than succumbing to the stereotypical branding of issues with labels of "unfairness" and "bigotry". Nothing positive comes from that, ever. It's a constant wonderment why it keeps happening. Haven't these civic leaders learned yet? And, yes, Obama is one of those uninformed, supposedly PC, fools too. Absofuckinglutely.
Yep and if the jury doesnt vote the way they want...they will riot...if they do vote the way they want, then the intimidation worked and they will do it again. Somewhere the madness has to stop. Why cant we just have the case decided on the merits...as soon as the race card is pulled, I get rebellious...especially in this case where evidence was tampered with/withheld, tapes edited, etc., to MAKE it about race instead of the facts.
Its like we can't win with talent, so we cheat to win. I would be very concerned if I was the defense about getting a fair trial...it will cost Florida millions.
not only evidence tampering such a msnbc pulled off
the state has been caught red handed several times
for withholding evidence
If people bother to look at the evidence, they will see this is not about race. Whatever tendencies GZ had that can be construed as violent were not racially-based. He had a violent personal relationship at one point, and I guess he had resisting arrest or something else - all when he was younger. To me, he's young now. When this happened with TM, what was he? 28? That's very young to me. Not excusing it, just saying.
So the racial aspect has been entirely driven by the Martin family, as far as I see. And that's the coward's way out. Don't look at the facts, blame it on bias. Vigilantism. Racial profiling. Anything but our son who may have been partially culpable in his own death. Sorry, but it's been spun that way. It will be up to the system to find the truth and I'm not sure the people are strong enough to stand up to this all too convenient concept of perceived persecution.
I have my own ideas about this that's not PC so I'll refrain. But the true heroes are the minorities who refuse to be led down this false path and pursue the truth rather than succumbing to the stereotypical branding of issues with labels of "unfairness" and "bigotry". Nothing positive comes from that, ever. It's a constant wonderment why it keeps happening. Haven't these civic leaders learned yet? And, yes, Obama is one of those uninformed, supposedly PC, fools too. Absofuckinglutely.
If people bother to look at the evidence, they will see this is not about race. Whatever tendencies GZ had that can be construed as violent were not racially-based. He had a violent personal relationship at one point, and I guess he had resisting arrest or something else - all when he was younger. To me, he's young now. When this happened with TM, what was he? 28? That's very young to me. Not excusing it, just saying.
So the racial aspect has been entirely driven by the Martin family, as far as I see. And that's the coward's way out. Don't look at the facts, blame it on bias. Vigilantism. Racial profiling. Anything but our son who may have been partially culpable in his own death. Sorry, but it's been spun that way. It will be up to the system to find the truth and I'm not sure the people are strong enough to stand up to this all too convenient concept of perceived persecution.
I have my own ideas about this that's not PC so I'll refrain. But the true heroes are the minorities who refuse to be led down this false path and pursue the truth rather than succumbing to the stereotypical branding of issues with labels of "unfairness" and "bigotry". Nothing positive comes from that, ever. It's a constant wonderment why it keeps happening. Haven't these civic leaders learned yet? And, yes, Obama is one of those uninformed, supposedly PC, fools too. Absofuckinglutely.
Has Zimmerman ever called in a suspicious white guy? Answer thY honestly and come back here and say he didn't suspect martin because of race. If not race why did he think martin was suspicious? It's all about race.
If people bother to look at the evidence, they will see this is not about race. Whatever tendencies GZ had that can be construed as violent were not racially-based. He had a violent personal relationship at one point, and I guess he had resisting arrest or something else - all when he was younger. To me, he's young now. When this happened with TM, what was he? 28? That's very young to me. Not excusing it, just saying.
So the racial aspect has been entirely driven by the Martin family, as far as I see. And that's the coward's way out. Don't look at the facts, blame it on bias. Vigilantism. Racial profiling. Anything but our son who may have been partially culpable in his own death. Sorry, but it's been spun that way. It will be up to the system to find the truth and I'm not sure the people are strong enough to stand up to this all too convenient concept of perceived persecution.
I have my own ideas about this that's not PC so I'll refrain. But the true heroes are the minorities who refuse to be led down this false path and pursue the truth rather than succumbing to the stereotypical branding of issues with labels of "unfairness" and "bigotry". Nothing positive comes from that, ever. It's a constant wonderment why it keeps happening. Haven't these civic leaders learned yet? And, yes, Obama is one of those uninformed, supposedly PC, fools too. Absofuckinglutely.
Has Zimmerman ever called in a suspicious white guy? Answer thY honestly and come back here and say he didn't suspect martin because of race. If not race why did he think martin was suspicious? It's all about race.
It appears you are the one suspicious of race...think about it. You are assuming that because he was suspicious that it must be because he is black...and that must be what GZ was thinking....why would you think that without a predisposition yourself?...lol.
Has Zimmerman ever called in a suspicious white guy? Answer thY honestly and come back here and say he didn't suspect martin because of race. If not race why did he think martin was suspicious? It's all about race.
It appears you are the one suspicious of race...think about it. You are assuming that because he was suspicious that it must be because he is black...and that must be what GZ was thinking....why would you think that without a predisposition yourself?...lol.
the state is going to have a hard time using the race card if they choose that route
a little background
Zimmerman and his wife tutored black (and white) children for free on weekends.
Zimmerman partnered with an African-American to open a business in 2004.
When the white son of a local police lieutenant escaped discipline after beating a black man Zimmerman circulated flyers demanding punishment.
The FBI spent months looking for a racial motivation in this killing, but found no evidence to support such a finding.
It appears you are the one suspicious of race...think about it. You are assuming that because he was suspicious that it must be because he is black...and that must be what GZ was thinking....why would you think that without a predisposition yourself?...lol.
the state is going to have a hard time using the race card if they choose that route
a little background
Zimmerman and his wife tutored black (and white) children for free on weekends.
Zimmerman partnered with an African-American to open a business in 2004.
When the white son of a local police lieutenant escaped discipline after beating a black man Zimmerman circulated flyers demanding punishment.
The FBI spent months looking for a racial motivation in this killing, but found no evidence to support such a finding.
Yep...and this will come out in the trial also. The guy isnt racist...he was asked to be NH Captain and was concerned for neighbors that had seen a barrage of recent robberies. He decided to keep an eye open and do something about it ....for the neighborhood.
Now, I would be curious as to what made GZ so suspicious...it appears the kid was just walking back from the store...was there something that Trayvon did differently that caused suspicion over any other kid walking thru the neighborhood. Its a big complex and there has to be kids walking through there all the time...I am curious as to what Trayvon was doing outside of walking that was suspicious. GZ will have to explain that. I have kids walking through my neighborhood all the time and I dont call on every kid or even most of the kids...the difference would be if a kid unfamiliar to the neighborhood was just loitering around doing suspicious things such as going in back yards, looking through windows, etc.
the state is going to have a hard time using the race card if they choose that route
a little background
Zimmerman and his wife tutored black (and white) children for free on weekends.
Zimmerman partnered with an African-American to open a business in 2004.
When the white son of a local police lieutenant escaped discipline after beating a black man Zimmerman circulated flyers demanding punishment.
The FBI spent months looking for a racial motivation in this killing, but found no evidence to support such a finding.
Yep...and this will come out in the trial also. The guy isnt racist...he was asked to be NH Captain and was concerned for neighbors that had seen a barrage of recent robberies. He decided to keep an eye open and do something about it ....for the neighborhood.
Now, I would be curious as to what made GZ so suspicious...it appears the kid was just walking back from the store...was there something that Trayvon did differently that caused suspicion over any other kid walking thru the neighborhood. Its a big complex and there has to be kids walking through there all the time...I am curious as to what Trayvon was doing outside of walking that was suspicious. GZ will have to explain that. I have kids walking through my neighborhood all the time and I dont call on every kid or even most of the kids...the difference would be if a kid unfamiliar to the neighborhood was just loitering around doing suspicious things such as going in back yards, looking through windows, etc.
if i remember he spotted him hanging out by the clubhouse which was closed
for the night plus it was rainy that night
Yep...and this will come out in the trial also. The guy isnt racist...he was asked to be NH Captain and was concerned for neighbors that had seen a barrage of recent robberies. He decided to keep an eye open and do something about it ....for the neighborhood.
Now, I would be curious as to what made GZ so suspicious...it appears the kid was just walking back from the store...was there something that Trayvon did differently that caused suspicion over any other kid walking thru the neighborhood. Its a big complex and there has to be kids walking through there all the time...I am curious as to what Trayvon was doing outside of walking that was suspicious. GZ will have to explain that. I have kids walking through my neighborhood all the time and I dont call on every kid or even most of the kids...the difference would be if a kid unfamiliar to the neighborhood was just loitering around doing suspicious things such as going in back yards, looking through windows, etc.
if i remember he spotted him hanging out by the clubhouse which was closed
for the night plus it was rainy that night
Do you know what time of day it was?
If we're going to discuss this case, let's stick to the facts and refrain from taking this personally. None of us know what happened but we all have opinions. Let's see what comes in as evidence first before we think we know more than the lawyers, judge, and witnesses. Gheesh! Such venom already and the actual trial hasn't begun yet!
How do you know that TM knew he had a gun?
So, all of you leftists are arguing that Zimmerman was 'menacing.' That would mean Li'l Trayvon had reason to reasonable fear the person who was merely walking behind him ONCE. Since walking behind some is not illegal and it does not rise to the level of menacing, in order for him to have 'reasonable fear' he would have to know about the gun. Of course, if he did then he was a stupid fuck to attack Zimmerman. But then, I'm pretty sure the little gang banger was just a stupid fuck. Period.
He followed him around the complex in a car, then got out..and was following him on foot, and then he gave chase.
This isn't trivial. He was carrying a gun at the time.
Yeah...it also died down a bit when NBC was caught doctoring tapes in favor of trayvon and the race card....of course trayvons family was content with that being covered up for as long as it was. The family isnt fooling anyone, because their attorney is one of the biggest race baiters out there and he is working for them.
If you are black and on the jury, there will be enormous pressure for that person to "send a message" and convict. Im sure the defense will do everything in its power to keep black people off of the jury...I know that sounds bad...but if I was the defense attorney I wouldnt want to put a black person under that pressure.
I can't bring myself to believe that every person that is black is going to feel pressure to convict Z, even if there might be evidence to support his claim of self defense. Just as there as those that eat, sleep, breathe, and worship every word of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the Black Panthers, etc, there are those that despise what those same people stand for and their ways of going about bringing attention to their own causes. It's possible someone, regardless of race, will be on the jury that is dead set on the agenda of being hell-bent on convicting Z. It's also possible that someone that 'tainted' will do and say whatever they have to in order to be on the jury. All we can do is hope and pray that all involved in this trial aren't so full of hate for mankind that they refuse to see and hear the evidence from both sides in order to make an informed and educated decision.
runaway jury is composed of jurors that, for the most part, make their own decisions. The jurors make use of their right to act independently, and don't pay attention to the instructions of the court and prosecutor.
Last week, the California Appellate Court in a lengthy opinion (116 pages) overturned the murder conviction of Michael Pizarro (People v. Pizarro). This is the third time that Mr. Pizarro has had his sentence overturned by the appellate court. In this latest instance, the appellate court overturned the verdict because a juror conducted his own online research. Specifically, the juror learned that Pizarro had not only been convicted in a prior trial, but had also testified.
The trial court deemed the juror's action gross misconduct but not sufficient to overturn the verdict because of overwhelming evidence of Pizarro's guilt. The appellate court saw it differently stating that:
If we're going to discuss this case, let's stick to the facts and refrain from taking this personally. None of us know what happened but we all have opinions. Let's see what comes in as evidence first before we think we know more than the lawyers, judge, and witnesses. Gheesh! Such venom already and the actual trial hasn't begun yet!
That is one of the most self contradictory statements I have ever seen posted on a forum.
If we're going to discuss this case, let's stick to the facts and refrain from taking this personally. None of us know what happened but we all have opinions. Let's see what comes in as evidence first before we think we know more than the lawyers, judge, and witnesses. Gheesh! Such venom already and the actual trial hasn't begun yet!
That is one of the most self contradictory statements I have ever seen posted on a forum.
How's this, Sunshine...As the facts come in we give our opinions on how they will influence the trial. Better? And thanks so much for your critique.
