The Presbyterian Church votes to declare Israel an apartheid state

[surada]

My policy is to keep all religions at arm's length and when they stray out of their lane and into politics I jump in their shit with both feet.....Lots of that goes on at the local level most folks are unaware of.

Religion has always been political... Way back to the old testament.

 

[JGalt]

Religion has always been political... Way back to the old testament.

Far more in other religions. The Egyptian Pharaohs were both the heads of state and the religious leaders of their country. Much like Iran is these days. They do have a Supreme Leader, but their Ayatollah has the final say over all governmental matters in the country.

Or the Vatican, for that matter. The Pope is both the political and spiritual leader.

 

[Batcat]

The church's vote wasn't politically motivated.
It was about pointing out Israel's blatant and ongoing injustice.

So you don’t see the activities of Hamas as terrorism In the least.

How would you feel if you lived in El Paso and the Mexican drug cartels were launching hundreds of rockets into your city?

150 rockets launched into Israel by militant group Hamas

For the first time since the Gaza war in 2014, at least seven rockets targeted the holy city of Jerusalem. Palestinian officials say at least 20 people were killed, including three children.

www.yahoo.com

 

[surada]

Far more in other religions. The Egyptian Pharaohs were both the heads of state and the religious leaders of their country. Much like Iran is these days. They do have a Supreme Leader, but their Ayatollah has the final say over all governmental matters in the country.

Or the Vatican, for that matter. The Pope is both the political and spiritual leader.

I thought we were talking about Judaism and Christianity. They have always been political.

 

[surada]

So you don’t see the activities of Hamas as terrorism In the least.

How would you feel if you lived in El Paso and the Mexican drug cartels were launching hundreds of rockets into your city?

150 rockets launched into Israel by militant group Hamas

For the first time since the Gaza war in 2014, at least seven rockets targeted the holy city of Jerusalem. Palestinian officials say at least 20 people were killed, including three children.

www.yahoo.com

HAMAS wasn't around until the mid 1980s. The Israelis supported them as a foil against the PLO. HAMAS couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

 

[JGalt]

I thought we were talking about Judaism and Christianity. They have always been political.

Jesus is apolitical.

Jesus was Apolitical - Undistracted by partisan affiliations - Fellow Pilgrim.

We are not Jesus and have to live in this world. What does this have to do with the Presbyterian church declaring Israel to be an apartheid state? Any church that believes that is wrong.

 

[surada]

Jesus was apolitical.

Jesus was Apolitical - Undistracted by partisan affiliations - Fellow Pilgrim.

We are not Jesus and have to live in this world. What does this have to do with the Presbyterian church declaring Israel to be an apartheid state? Any church that believes that is wrong.

I agree that Jesus was apolitical. Israel is about Jewish nationalism. Facts are facts.

 

[JGalt]

I agree that Jesus was apolitical. Israel is about Jewish nationalism. Facts are facts.

I have no problem with Jewish nationalism. You guys are girls should consider yourselves lucky that they don't want back what God gave Abram, in Genesis.

 

[Sunni Man]

How would you feel if you lived in El Paso and the Mexican drug cartels were launching hundreds of rockets into your city?

Sorry, but I don't deal in hypotheticals. ...

 

[surada]

I have no problem with Jewish nationalism. You guys are girls should consider yourselves lucky that they don't want back what God gave Abram, in Genesis.

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That's nonsense. Israel never had Sina or Northern Arabia. They never had Lebanon or Syria. They were always a vassal state and later a client province of the Roman empire.

 

[JGalt]

That's nonsense. Israel never had Sina or Northern Arabia. They never had Lebanon or Syria. They were always a vassal state and later a client province of the Roman empire.

I didn't say Israel posessed that already. That was a promise from God. At no point in history has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. This will come to be at some point in the future.

 

[Batcat]

Sorry, but I don't deal in hypotheticals. ...

Nice dodge. Have you ever considered a career in politics?

 

[Sunni Man]

Nice dodge. Have you ever considered a career in politics?

I've found that getting into debates over hypothetical scenarios is a frustrating endeavor which doesn't resolve anything and no has discernible ending.

 

[surada]

I didn't say Israel posessed that already. That was a promise from God. At no point in history has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. This will come to be at some point in the future.

That's not what they were promised.Vy

I didn't say Israel posessed that already. That was a promise from God. At no point in history has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. This will come to be at some point in the future.

It's going to get real crowded.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I think it's disgraceful that any church in this country would have this view.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

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From Pew Research

If they are Conservatives, then they must be Nazis, because I don't know any regular Conservatives that would be in favor of this stance.

 

[surada]

I think it's disgraceful that any church in this country would have this view.

Really? What church do you belong to?

 

[surada]

If they are Conservatives, then they must be Nazis, because I don't know any regular Conservatives that would be in favor of this stance.

German nationalism was called Nazis..

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Really? What church do you belong to?

None.

 

[surada]

None.

That's what I figured.