The price of going green

[bripat9643]

I'm looking to the future, trusting our abilities to bring prices down, and hoping for the best.

You don't have to join me.

You bring prices down by increasing the supply. That's the last thing that prog morons like you want to do.

 

[bripat9643]

22lcidw Excessive building has been the capitalistic way forever--fuck the environment. Now there is an effort to make long-overdue changes.

Tell someone who can't afford to buy a house that we suffer from excessive building.

Hey, and let's bring in millions of low wage labor from mexico and buy them all a house!

 

[Mac1958]

You bring prices down by increasing the supply. That's the last thing that prog morons like you want to do.

Or by reducing demand. Or by increasing efficiency. Or by improving systems. Or some combination therein.

Holy crap.

On no topic does the arrogant ignorance of Trumpism display itself more than economics.

 

[bripat9643]

Or by reducing demand. Or by increasing efficiency. Or by improving systems. Or some combination therein.

Holy crap.

On no topic does the arrogant ignorance of Trumpism display itself more than economics.

"Reducing demand" means forcing everyone to accept a lower standard of living.

Only prog idiots believe we haven't already done everything possible to increase efficiency. I have no idea what the fuck "improve systems" is supposed to mean other than "improve efficiency."

One thing we can do easily is increase the supply because Biden's artificial choking of the supply is the only reason it's a problem now.

Look at the prog imbecile whine about "the ignorance of Trumpism."

 

[bendog]

Does anyone else wonder how Calif can't get all it's elec from wind?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They think that Putin is the man.

Is that why they were handing out reset buttons and promising flexibility?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Or by reducing demand. Or by increasing efficiency. Or by improving systems. Or some combination therein.

Or by wasting...err...investing trillions to Build Back Better, eh?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Does anyone else wonder how Calif can't get all it's elec from wind?

Because they suck more than they blow?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Or by reducing demand. Or by increasing efficiency. Or by improving systems. Or some combination therein.

Holy crap.

On no topic does the arrogant ignorance of Trumpism display itself more than economics.

So how do reduce demand? Public transportation that most people don't want.

Increasing efficiency? Isn't that what CAFE standards did?

How much more can we improve systems? My Toyota Camry got 22 mph highway and city.

 

[Bobob]

Is that why they were handing out reset buttons and promising flexibility?

Waaht?

 

[Bobob]

What part of our economy is Socialist? What production companies here are owned by the State?

Whatever the Government has the power to direct can be interpreted as socialist.

 

[Resnic]

See if I'm being honest I don't think there's any problem with going green and looking after the planet and our resources a lot better.

See without wanting to sound like an anti-Capitalist and Climate Change Activist (because I'm honestly neither of those things) the money big business and Governments either make or have in reserve, then cost shouldn't be an issue especially when it comes to the planet. We only get one planet.

If there was a real desire for it, the nations could come together, club together and offset the cost and negate it all in a co-operation agreement so that we can make the transaction but without the substantial cost being passed onto your average consumer.

If there's a will there's a way.

I'm quite on board with looking after our planet and trying to not run our natural resources dry but my issue with it is that similar to so many "progressive" movements these days it's a cult and an industry in itself. Radicals with conspiracy theories and scare stories to keep themselves relevant and in business. That shit needs to stop and more folk would get on board.

Green energy is a noble idea but unless we create large scale fusion or learn to manipulate gravity it won't ever happen. It's worth investing in but it will take a lot of time.

As a stop gap though nuclear energy is our best option but it will take decades just to build the infrastructure for it and tie it all together and another decade or more to start transitioning everything to it.

But no one wants long term, they want right now. California and Biden and so on want green energy are acting like a guy that is building a house and they are standing there with a bucket of paint and a wet paint roller saying they want to paint the walls when the foundation hasn't even been poured yet.

And the rhetoric of "saving our planet" is a bit short sighted. Everything we consider to be climate change and so on has happened before to this planet millions of years before we ever came a long. Earth has had a total reversal of the poles, world wide floods, world wide droughts, world wide fires, ice ages, loss and gain of the ozone layer, seismic activity so great it broke apart land masses and a whole lot more for billions of years. We ignore those facts for catchphrases and slogans and half truth science. Earth is not static, never has been.

We still have the fossil fuels to run for a thousand more years, more than enough to carry us into a transition away from them but it won't happen over night. It will take 25 or 30 years.

 

[bripat9643]

Whatever the Government has the power to direct can be interpreted as socialist.

It is socialist, moron.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Green energy is a noble idea but unless we create large scale fusion or learn to manipulate gravity it won't ever happen. It's worth investing in but it will take a lot of time.

As a stop gap though nuclear energy is our best option but it will take decades just to build the infrastructure for it and tie it all together and another decade or more to start transitioning everything to it.

But no one wants long term, they want right now. California and Biden and so on want green energy are acting like a guy that is building a house and they are standing there with a bucket of paint and a wet paint roller saying they want to paint the walls when the foundation hasn't even been poured yet.

And the rhetoric of "saving our planet" is a bit short sighted. Everything we consider to be climate change and so on has happened before to this planet millions of years before we ever came a long. Earth has had a total reversal of the poles, world wide floods, world wide droughts, world wide fires, ice ages, loss and gain of the ozone layer, seismic activity so great it broke apart land masses and a whole lot more for billions of years. We ignore those facts for catchphrases and slogans and half truth science. Earth is not static, never has been.

We still have the fossil fuels to run for a thousand more years, more than enough to carry us into a transition away from them but it won't happen over night. It will take 25 or 30 years.

You can't force green anything on people who don't want it. When green supplies us with affordable energy, just as plentiful and powerful, people will flock to it on their own just like the internet or cell phones. I don't know of any green product that isn't subsidized by government: solar panels, public transportation, windmills, electric cars and trucks all have government subsidies otherwise nobody would have an interest in them.

When they can make a desirable green product with no subsidies, then we'll be onto the start of something. But green is a long way off no less than government insisting Henry Ford using fuel injectors on his model-T. It just wasn't there yet.

 

[Mac-7]

Or by reducing demand. Or by increasing efficiency. Or by improving systems. Or some combination therein.

Holy crap.

On no topic does the arrogant ignorance of Trumpism display itself more than economics.

The arrogant ignorance prize goes to the guy you voted for - biden.

he did everything within the power you gave him to destroy the oil industry

and now lib greenie foolishness is biting him (and the American people) in the ass

 

[Woodznutz]

Whatever the Government has the power to direct can be interpreted as socialist.

The government can impose regulations on business but that doesn't translate to socialism.

 

[Woodznutz]

You can't force green anything on people who don't want it. When green supplies us with affordable energy, just as plentiful and powerful, people will flock to it on their own just like the internet or cell phones. I don't know of any green product that isn't subsidized by government: solar panels, public transportation, windmills, electric cars and trucks all have government subsidies otherwise nobody would have an interest in them.

When they can make a desirable green product with no subsidies, then we'll be onto the start of something. But green is a long way off no less than government insisting Henry Ford using fuel injectors on his model-T. It just wasn't there yet.

One big problem is that we are developing expensive high-tech solutions that few can afford.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The government can impose regulations on business but that doesn't translate to socialism.

Some people believe that government involvement in anything makes us a socialist country. Of course there is simply no truth to that, but it's the stance they take to promote socialism.

 

[Woodznutz]

Some people believe that government involvement in anything makes us a socialist country. Of course there is simply no truth to that, but it's the stance they take to promote socialism.

They are preparing us for the socialism that they hope to impose on us.

 

[22lcidw]

The only people in this country who cheer communism are trump and his tumphumpers.
They think that Putin is the man. Trump has much respect for Putin based on his complimentary
assessment of the man and the way he governs. The name for it is "authoritarian", "tyrant", and "autocrat". Look out for tump, because that is his dream.
The fact is that our form of capitalism is a combination of capitalism and socialism. It has worked well for many, and the high cost of living has indeed hurt many in the middle class. What to do? However, Trump addressed his wealthy donors and his own desires with his policies and further weakened the middle class.

Putin at this point is not a Communist. Other names perhaps. Our system is a combination as you typed. But we must find the best balance and accept the limitations when we do. We sold our foundation of manufacturing for a few decades gain of cheaper products to massively increase social justice budgets at home. Win/win for a short time. Now China is a major player in the world with an endless population who are begging to be working slaves. Most of the population have not even had that chance still. No real social programs and pensions and benefits like us. But those who have tasted some comforts from what they have experienced before, it is like heaven.