The problem with capitalism

[BluesLegend]

Hard working immigrants are a way to boost productivity in competition with China.
Have immigrants ever historically been bad?
I don't think so.

Then grow a pair and allow 2 billion of them in. Go ahead what are you waiting for these poor people are desperate.

 

[BrokeLoser]

True….Legal white and asian immigrants have been an awesome addition to America.
Dark illegal immigrants have fucked us silly.

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[Orangecat]

They want the poor to be desperate, so they are more easily manipulated and extorted.

The only ones wanting to keep the poor down are liberal democrats. That's the pool they recruit their useful idiots from.

 

[Rigby5]

Awesome story…I’m so proud of our history and our badass army.
Those were the times….bigger stronger army’s conquered and took what they wanted….Ask the Conquistadors or the Aztecs.
Hey, remember when cavemen raped, murdered and ate their own? Those were the times.

Conquest is not something to be proud of.
It means 2 things, superior weapons technology that was stolen from social programs, and evil and greedy psychopaths who like to murder.

I agree the Aztecs has their own evil problems.
But cavemen did NOT rape and murder their own.
They were cooperative, collective, and communal, like most primates.

 

[Rigby5]

True….Legal white and asian immigrants have been an awesome addition to America.
Dark illegal immigrants have fucked us silly.

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There is no evidence of that.
The Blacks have been the most abused and therefore the least cooperative, but they powered our economy more than most.

 

[Brain357]

We have too many near monopolies right now. Plus too many special tax deals for companies.

 

[Rigby5]

The only ones wanting to keep the poor down are liberal democrats. That's the pool they recruit their useful idiots from.

The IRS regulations are slanted to benefit the wealthy.
Like landlords get to write off everything, while the working poor do not even get to write of the cost of living, like rent.

 

[Rigby5]

We have too many near monopolies right now. Plus too many special tax deals for companies.

Like the health care industries.
Health insurance, Moderna, Pfizer, etc.
If not for the monopolies, we would have had a REAL vaccine, like Novavax.

 

[Orangecat]

The IRS regulations are slanted to benefit the wealthy.

Is that why the wealthy pay the largest percentage of the tax burden, by a long shot?

Like landlords get to write off everything, while the working poor do not even get to write of the cost of living, like rent.

Landlords don't get to write off everything. I'd be perfectly happy letting people write off rent and mortgages.

 

[Rigby5]

Is that why the wealthy pay the largest percentage of the tax burden, by a long shot?

Actually, the wealthy pay nothing.
That is because they actually do not do any of the real work or produce anything.
They steal from those who really do all the labor and production, and then they force those who do all the real work to pay their taxes for them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Hard working immigrants are a way to boost productivity in competition with China.
Have immigrants ever historically been bad?
I don't think so.

Immigrants hold up the learning ability of our American kids. Immigrants take jobs Americans should be doing because they will work for next to nothing. Immigrants use up many of our resources like our Border Patrol, facilities to house them, our police, our hospitals where they don't pay them a dime thus increasing the costs of our medical care.

 

[Orangecat]

Actually, the wealthy pay nothing.
That is because they actually do not do any of the real work or produce anything.
They steal from those who really do all the labor and production, and then they force those who do all the real work to pay their taxes for them.

You're far too misinformed to hold an adult conversation. Have a great day.

 

[Brain357]

Immigrants hold up the learning ability of our American kids. Immigrants take jobs Americans should be doing because they will work for next to nothing. Immigrants use up many of our resources like our Border Patrol, facilities to house them, our police, our hospitals where they don't pay them a dime thus increasing the costs of our medical care.

We have quite the worker shortage.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, the wealthy pay nothing.
That is because they actually do not do any of the real work or produce anything.
They steal from those who really do all the labor and production, and then they force those who do all the real work to pay their taxes for them.

If we took all the poor in our country, put them on an island somewhere, the country would benefit greatly. If we did the same with all our wealthy, the country collapses.

Stealing is when you take the belongings of an individual away with no practical means of stopping them. Stealing is not giving them a job they agreed to do for X amount of money.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We have quite the worker shortage.

And?????

 

[Rigby5]

Immigrants hold up the learning ability of our American kids. Immigrants take jobs Americans should be doing because they will work for next to nothing. Immigrants use up many of our resources like our Border Patrol, facilities to house them, our police, our hospitals where they don't pay them a dime thus increasing the costs of our medical care.

Sometimes.
But kids learn fast, so there is really not much of a problem to have immigrant kids.
Immigrants working for less can be a problem, but would not be if we had better unions, and is not a problem with lots of jobs no one else will do, like agricultural and food processing.
Immigrant provide more resources, like consumers, than they use up.
The Border Patrol is just a scam in my opinion, and we would be better off without them.
They are an insignificant cost, and produce much more than they cost.
You can't really get medical care without paying.
The ER is the only place you can do that, and they only treat emergencies like injuries.

 

[Brain357]

And?????

I only see one answer to that problem. And it’s not build a wall.

 

[jbander]

Wrong.
Socialism, communism, and maxism do not at all require state ownership of anything.

The point of socialism, communism, and marxism it to figure out how to avoid the inherent slavery of capitalism.
When profits are the only motivation, instead of any human value like rights, then the combination of economic power, makes it inherently dangerous.

And there are many ways socialism, communism, and marxism suggest avoiding the dangers of capitalism.
State ownership of means of production is only one of them, and even that does not preclude private ownership of means of production, as long as it is not a monopoly.

And of course socialism, communism, and marxism has existed in the US.
The Post Office, schools, SS, roads, families, NASA, NOAH, DARPA, etc, are all socialist, communists, and marxist.
The fact we only do socialism, communism, and marxism with limited and unprofitable ventures, is not relevant.
We likely should do far more socialism, communism, and marxism.

So the clown car shows up , anyone who wants, can look up the tenants of Marxism , socialism and communism and find out you simply have no clue,. Like I said there is only one way that these three concepts can be implemented and everyone here has heard it ,the means of production is owned operated and controlled by the state and the sales of that production is designated to the state, It's always the first tenant listed because it is the prime tenant. Here's the real issue the only way the hate party can use it as a attack on democrats is if they define it themselves , at that point you find stupid made up definitions from these people. I have buried so many right wing haters on this that I know the complete total routine of these clowns, the "owned and operated by the state" is said in many ways the state is called , the government, the worker , the people, the community ETC
IN general terms the means of production are defined as the materials, tools and other instruments used by workers to make products. This includes: machines, tools materials, plant and equipment, land, raw materials, money, energy, and anything else labor needs to make things.
The clown list of socialism, like schools and mail and roads etc where in use thousands of years before anyone even perceived the idea of socialism and the rest. It is amazing that every civilized country in the world in all of history would be socialist if what he says was the case.
People you don't get your own private definiton of Marxism , socialism and communism , they already have one and in every case their definition makes yours blatantly stupid,

 

[Rigby5]

If we took all the poor in our country, put them on an island somewhere, the country would benefit greatly. If we did the same with all our wealthy, the country collapses.

Stealing is when you take the belongings of an individual away with no practical means of stopping them. Stealing is not giving them a job they agreed to do for X amount of money.

Not at all.
If you took the capital from the wealth that stole it, and did real and productive things with it, we would all be about 10 times better off.
If you look at how the wealthy elite have destroyed each other's businesses, it is very destructive, not productive.
And they dump things we need that they decide are not productive enough, like our railroads.

The wealthy steal all the time.
The salaries they can force people to accept are about half what people are really worth, and about 10% of what the workers actually produce.

 

[Rigby5]

And?????

And if we want to compete with China, then we need more workers willing to get paid less, while still adding into SS.