The Problem with Socialism

[NYcarbineer]

Let more socialism or less socialism be up to the will of the People. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

Wrong. Socialism is state ownership of production, the antithesis of democracy. And people shouldn't decide how much of your earnings you get to keep.

How would you fund the government then if the People don't have the power of taxation?

 

[NYcarbineer]

• Q. What does ti take to be a socialist
• A. Christian Ethics

• Force is power, banks, insurance companies, cartels and wall street have both;
• Brokers take the assets of others to their benefit; vis a vis fiduciaries
• Theft is wrong, taxes paid to Caesar are not.

Using force to take another's property is antithetical to Christian ethics.

Abandoning materialism is central to Christianity.

That's fine and should be Voluntary. not FORCED on the people by Masters in the Government.

A government run by voluntary donations? LOL, goodbye massive military.

 

[Iceweasel]

Let more socialism or less socialism be up to the will of the People. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

Wrong. Socialism is state ownership of production, the antithesis of democracy. And people shouldn't decide how much of your earnings you get to keep.

How would you fund the government then if the People don't have the power of taxation?

When did I say that? We've always had taxes of some sort, using your "logic" we were always a socialist nation. If so, there's no such thing as capitalism. But the fact is many of the founders were business owners and expressed no interest in the government taking them over.

 

[there4eyeM]

• Q. What does ti take to be a socialist
• A. Christian Ethics

• Force is power, banks, insurance companies, cartels and wall street have both;
• Brokers take the assets of others to their benefit; vis a vis fiduciaries
• Theft is wrong, taxes paid to Caesar are not.

Using force to take another's property is antithetical to Christian ethics.

Abandoning materialism is central to Christianity.

That's fine and should be Voluntary. not FORCED on the people by Masters in the Government.

Of course, and Christianity is not being forced on people in the U.S. by the government.
Sharing is imposed by the person on whom Christianity is based. Yet, such a large amount of the population claims to be Christian that if it were true, government run public assistance would not be necessary. Unfortunately, assistance is necessary. There is no present system in place to do that except, lamentably, through government.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let more socialism or less socialism be up to the will of the People. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

Wrong. Socialism is state ownership of production, the antithesis of democracy. And people shouldn't decide how much of your earnings you get to keep.

How would you fund the government then if the People don't have the power of taxation?

When did I say that? We've always had taxes of some sort, using your "logic" we were always a socialist nation. If so, there's no such thing as capitalism. But the fact is many of the founders were business owners and expressed no interest in the government taking them over.

You said:

"And people shouldn't decide how much of your earnings you get to keep."

 

[Stephanie]

 

[Norman]

Let more socialism or less socialism be up to the will of the People. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

Thank god USA is not a democracy.

Too bad you have trouble understanding that (or anything for that matter. your IQ must be less than 70).

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let more socialism or less socialism be up to the will of the People. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

Thank god USA is not a democracy.

Too bad you have trouble understanding that (or anything for that matter. your IQ must be less than 70).

We are a democracy. We're not a direct democracy. You're the one with no clue.

 

[Centinel]

We are a democracy. We're not a direct democracy. You're the one with no clue.

The ability for "will of the people" to be enacted into law is extremely limited. The only federal laws that are permitted are those that are necessary and proper for carrying into execution congress' legislative powers.

 

[Norman]

Let more socialism or less socialism be up to the will of the People. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

Thank god USA is not a democracy.

Too bad you have trouble understanding that (or anything for that matter. your IQ must be less than 70).

We are a democracy. We're not a direct democracy. You're the one with no clue.

No, USA is a republic. It's not a mob rule... pay attention. That means people can't simply vote in as much socialism as they desire, because the voters do not actually own the people.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let more socialism or less socialism be up to the will of the People. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

Thank god USA is not a democracy.

Too bad you have trouble understanding that (or anything for that matter. your IQ must be less than 70).

We are a democracy. We're not a direct democracy. You're the one with no clue.

No, USA is a republic. It's not a mob rule... pay attention. That means people can't simply vote for as much socialism as they desire, because the voters do not actually own the people.

The People are the voters.

 

[Centinel]

The People are the voters.

And the voters elect legislators who have limited lawmaking powers.

 

[Norman]

Let more socialism or less socialism be up to the will of the People. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

Thank god USA is not a democracy.

Too bad you have trouble understanding that (or anything for that matter. your IQ must be less than 70).

We are a democracy. We're not a direct democracy. You're the one with no clue.

No, USA is a republic. It's not a mob rule... pay attention. That means people can't simply vote for as much socialism as they desire, because the voters do not actually own the people.

The People are the voters.

And this has what relevance to my message?

(Technically it's not even completely correct, but whatever)

 

[NYcarbineer]

We are a democracy. We're not a direct democracy. You're the one with no clue.

The ability for "will of the people" to be enacted into law is extremely limited. The only federal laws that are permitted are those that are necessary and proper for carrying into execution congress' legislative powers.

The Constitution was enacted by the People. The People elect the representatives who put the judges on the Court. Any law the Court says is constitutional, if challenged, is the law of the land.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The People are the voters.

And the voters elect legislators who have limited lawmaking powers.

If their powers are limited they were limited by the will of the people.

 

[Centinel]

The Constitution was enacted by the People. The People elect the representatives who put the judges on the Court. Any law the Court says is constitutional, if challenged, is the law of the land.

I am simply telling you what the law says. Of course the federal government can pretty much do whatever it wants, so in that respect it has unlimited power. It can, and has, chosen to ignore the law when it wishes.

 

[Centinel]

If their powers are limited they were limited by the will of the people.

They are limited by the text of the law. As long as the people don't amend the law, those legal limitations continue to exist.

 

[LeftofLeft]

The problem is when socialism or capitalism gets to its extremes. Socialism as been around for about 10,000 years and it is simply the working together of society. Of course, you probably hate your police officer down the road or tax payer paved streets.

Capitalism also has a nasty history...So we abolish and do away with it?

Hate the police officer? Ferguson and Baltimore taught US about hating the Police. As per roads, if there is no factory, there is no need for roads. If there are no farms, there is no need for roads. If there are no shops, there are no need for roads. Do the factory, farm, and shop need the road? Absolutely. But, let's be smart about which is more important? Or, would we simply have many roads and bridges to nowhere? And that is where socialism extremities creep in. Bridges to nowhere so cronies and bureaucrats can get paid.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Constitution was enacted by the People. The People elect the representatives who put the judges on the Court. Any law the Court says is constitutional, if challenged, is the law of the land.

I am simply telling you what the law says. Of course the federal government can pretty much do whatever it wants, so in that respect it has unlimited power. It can, and has, chosen to ignore the law when it wishes.

We have elections over and over again to offer the People an opportunity to exercise their power.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If their powers are limited they were limited by the will of the people.

They are limited by the text of the law. As long as the people don't amend the law, those legal limitations continue to exist.

But still, the power resides with the People, which by definition is what a democracy is.