The Right To Bear Arms

[LordBrownTrout]

In Old Yeller, the boy went out and shot his dog because he had rabies.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Chief Justice Burger was a smart man. He clearly articulated why the 2nd Amendment is obsolete.

Burger is a German name wonder how close of kin is he too the Hitlers?

 

[hortysir]

Chief Justice Burger was a smart man. He clearly articulated why the 2nd Amendment is obsolete.

I knew you wouldn't bother to read it.

As for Burger's opinion that the 2nd amendment is obsolete, the foresight of those that wrote the Constitution predicted there would come a day when others would want to change it...to suit their own fucking opinions.

Just as Obama is no Lincoln reincarnated, Warren Burger does not come anywhere close to possessing the intelligence and wisdom of Thomas Jefferson.

Hence the need for the words, "shall not be infringed"

 

[Nosmo King]

So people can cite movies, but no one can cite exactly what tyranny means. Are we in the shallow end of the intellectual pool?

 

[hortysir]

So people can cite movies, but no one can cite exactly what tyranny means. Are we in the shallow end of the intellectual pool?

You hush..... American Idol is on

 

[Dreamy]

What is tyranny? The argument for an armed citizenry is to suppress tyranny, right?

So, what is tyranny? Who can define it for the purposes of this conversation? Give examples and provide strategy for fighting it.

You'll know it from the whirrrrrr of the Predator engine.

Are you plagued by predator drones? Have they been keeping an eye on you?

Seriously folks, if you want to suppress tyranny, we'd like to know what it is first.

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”-Jeff Cooper

 

[Lakhota]

So people can cite movies, but no one can cite exactly what tyranny means. Are we in the shallow end of the intellectual pool?

The very shallow end...

 

[Lakhota]

When was the last time the American people felt compelled to take up arms against their own government?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Possibly the Civil War.

 

[hortysir]

When was the last time the American people felt compelled to take up arms against their own government?

More to the point; when will be the NEXT time?

 

[Hum Dinger]

Chief Justice Burger was a smart man. He clearly articulated why the 2nd Amendment is obsolete.

Burger is a German name wonder how close of kin is he too the Hitlers?

'Hitler' isn't really a German family name. Adolf Hitler's father changed his last name to 'Hitler' from Hiedler for reasons unknown. Hitler's father's last name at birth was 'Schicklgruber' - he was born out of wedlock and it's highly likely that his biological father (Adolf's grandfather) was Jewish.

 

[Lakhota]

When was the last time the American people felt compelled to take up arms against their own government?

More to the point; when will be the NEXT time?

When a black man lives in the White House...?

 

[Dreamy]

When was the last time the American people felt compelled to take up arms against their own government?

More to the point; when will be the NEXT time?

When a black man lives in the White House...?

Oooh race card shown. That never happens.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Chief Justice Burger was a smart man. He clearly articulated why the 2nd Amendment is obsolete.

Yet this is supposed to deter crime and criminals from obtaining a gun, how? As if criminals look to obtain a gun "legally". This is why individuals like Lakhota don't have a clue as to how criminals are still able to obtain a gun, despite all the laws, waiting lists, and regulations already in place.

Perhaps (in the same token) Lakhota will care to also "educate" us, how more laws making various illegal narcotics even harder to obtain will hinder teens from further illegal drug possession.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Chief Justice Burger was a smart man. He clearly articulated why the 2nd Amendment is obsolete.

Burger is a German name wonder how close of kin is he too the Hitlers?

'Hitler' isn't really a German family name. Adolf Hitler's father changed his last name to 'Hitler' from Hiedler for reasons unknown. Hitler's father's last name at birth was 'Schicklgruber' - he was born out of wedlock and it's highly likely that his biological father (Adolf's grandfather) was Jewish.

So hitler had a son that had a name change too Burger.

 

[Erand7899]

A distinguished citizen takes a stand on one of the most controversial issues in the nation

By Warren E. Burger, Chief Justice of the United States (1969-86)
Parade Magazine, January 14, 1990, page 4

Let's look at the history.

First, many of the 3.5 million people living in the 13 original Colonies depended on wild game for food, and a good many of them required firearms for their defense from marauding Indians -- and later from the French and English. Underlying all these needs was an important concept that each able-bodied man in each of the 133 independent states had to help or defend his state.

The early opposition to the idea of national or standing armies was maintained under the Articles of Confederation; that confederation had no standing army and wanted none. The state militia -- essentially a part-time citizen army, as in Switzerland today -- was the only kind of "army" they wanted. From the time of the Declaration of Independence through the victory at Yorktown in 1781, George Washington, as the commander-in-chief of these volunteer-militia armies, had to depend upon the states to send those volunteers.

When a company of New Jersey militia volunteers reported for duty to Washington at Valley Forge, the men initially declined to take an oath to "the United States," maintaining, "Our country is New Jersey." Massachusetts Bay men, Virginians and others felt the same way. To the American of the 18th century, his state was his country, and his freedom was defended by his militia.

The victory at Yorktown -- and the ratification of the Bill of Rights a decade later -- did not change people's attitudes about a national army. They had lived for years under the notion that each state would maintain its own military establishment, and the seaboard states had their own navies as well. These people, and their fathers and grandfathers before them, remembered how monarchs had used standing armies to oppress their ancestors in Europe. Americans wanted no part of this. A state militia, like a rifle and powder horn, was as much a part of life as the automobile is today; pistols were largely for officers, aristocrats -- and dueling.

Against this background, it was not surprising that the provision concerning firearms emerged in very simple terms with the significant predicate -- basing the right on the necessity for a "well regulated militia," a state army.

In the two centuries since then -- with two world wars and some lesser ones -- it has become clear, sadly, that we have no choice but to maintain a standing national army while still maintaining a "militia" by way of the National Guard, which can be swiftly integrated into the national defense forces.

Americans also have a right to defend their homes, and we need not challenge that. Nor does anyone seriously question that the Constitution protects the right of hunters to own and keep sporting guns for hunting game any more than anyone would challenge the right to own and keep fishing rods and other equipment for fishing -- or to own automobiles. To "keep and bear arms" for hunting today is essentially a recreational activity and not an imperative of survival, as it was 200 years ago; "Saturday night specials" and machine guns are not recreational weapons and surely are as much in need of regulation as motor vehicles.

Americans should ask themselves a few questions. The Constitution does not mention automobiles or motorboats, but the right to keep and own an automobile is beyond question; equally beyond question is the power of the state to regulate the purchase or the transfer of such a vehicle and the right to license the vehicle and the driver with reasonable standards. In some places, even a bicycle must be registered, as must some household dogs.

If we are to stop this mindless homicidal carnage, is it unreasonable:

1. to provide that, to acquire a firearm, an application be made reciting age, residence, employment and any prior criminal convictions?
2. to required that this application lie on the table for 10 days (absent a showing for urgent need) before the license would be issued?
3. that the transfer of a firearm be made essentially as with that of a motor vehicle?
4. to have a "ballistic fingerprint" of the firearm made by the manufacturer and filed with the license record so that, if a bullet is found in a victim's body, law enforcement might be helped in finding the culprit?
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These are the kind of questions the American people must answer if we are to preserve the "domestic tranquillity" promised in the Constitution.

More: Ex-Chief Justice Warren Burger in Parade Magazine

If permission is required from a government entity, a right becomes a privilege that can be revoked at the will of the government.

Yes, we could require many things of gun owners that would assist law enforcement in solving crimes. We could register all guns, maintain data bases of ballistic fingerprints, and all those other little things that you consider important. We could also assist law enforcement by negating those other little things like search warrents, the right to remain silent, etc. We could help law enforcement by universal DNA samples, universal fingerprints, etc. How much privacy are you willing to give up to assist law enforcement?

Although the history lesson that you provided is essentially accurate, it is incomplete, and therefore a falsehood. Much more important to the second amendment are the words of the founders who advocated for and gained acceptance of that amendment.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Chief Justice Burger was a smart man. He clearly articulated why the 2nd Amendment is obsolete.

I knew you wouldn't bother to read it.

As for Burger's opinion that the 2nd amendment is obsolete, the foresight of those that wrote the Constitution predicted there would come a day when others would want to change it...to suit their own fucking opinions.

Just as Obama is no Lincoln reincarnated, Warren Burger does not come anywhere close to possessing the intelligence and wisdom of Thomas Jefferson.

Lots of things have changed since 1791...

The Founders desire to have a separation of powers written into the Constitution, appears to be another as well of late.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

In the movie, Red Dawn, it wasn't the U.S. government attacking its own people.

The operative phrase. In the movie The Godfather they shot Sonny on the causeway. But I would never deign to use that as a reason to ban assault weapons.

In Old Yeller, the boy went out and shot his dog because he had rabies.

In the movie the Wizard of Oz, Dorothy used a house as a weapon.

 

[hortysir]

When was the last time the American people felt compelled to take up arms against their own government?

More to the point; when will be the NEXT time?

When a black man lives in the White House...?

And you're a racist piece of shit.....we know

 

[Lakhota]

Chief Justice Berger was a Conservative Republican.